Update 428 — Parameter tweaks and more

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I think this small rebalance will make RIDDLER really angry. They made his Flemish weaker.

Next Up: Mammoth.  :ph34r:  B)

Edited November 30, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[RIDDLER_8 5,552]

This update is good for my M4 Isida. It brings it back to life once again. The downside is the Freeze will become a bit weaker. This is not fair for Freeze players because if Freeze is too weak, it will not be able to Freeze enemies properly.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

General idea on such balance tweaks:

- pls give your considerations in advance

- pls change in multiple smaller steps

 

 

 

Problems:

- players learn fast which things are opverpowered, they buy it, you change it, they feel betrayed

- This is because players do not knows in advance, which turrets will be buffed and which will be nerved

- Changes of -20% damage are a LOT and usually require playing style and tactic change

 

 

Ideas to less painfull balances:

- inform us, what turrets you consider as too strong and which as too weak. State what aproximately you plan to change over time. No figures.. more an indicaiton.

- change the parameters by small steps at a time (+/- 5%), and then after 3 weeks again.. and so on. Until you see that the results are more balanced then before.

- pls listen to players feedback. You will learn fast which ones are just crying for more and more, and which ones give differentieted feedback and come up with usefull stuff.

 

 

 

 

Results:

- If I like to purchase a certain turret, I can look up your infomation, and see if you consider it as OP, balanced or UP at the moment. I can purchase with an open eye, and not on good luck.

- Players already using a turret will face small parameter changes at a time, and so can easily adapt to the new scenario. If you cut Vulcans damage not by -20% but by -5%, you will maybe see that after the 2nd or 3rd time doing so, the turret is balanced. In the manwhile the players will have less pain to adapt

Edited November 30, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[Spit_Fyre 334]

They increased M3 by a whopping 4%. Still does 17% less damage than Freeze & Firebird but without any afterburn or slowing effects.

 

let's get that party started...

My sarcasm detector just beeped. Sorry if my views offend you, but I feel isida is comparable to fire/freeze only in terms of range. But like IAW and some others here say, I agree that isida isn't currently fit for DM. Mainly because it isn't designed to be there in the first place. If the devs wanted to make a niche for the isida in DM's, then ofcourse, the healing ability needs to be removed and the self-heal boosted.

[Bydo 20,121]

guys if you have not heard , as of Dec 9 you have to create your accounts in tanki x if you reserved a name , after that your name can be taken by others..

 

 as time go's on this will be combined into tanki x.. so if you have not checked out tanki X, i advise you to compare  both systems from the start to now and you will see that they are both heading in the same direction as one game...

 

the Dev's are not listening to us all the have on the menu is a date when they will be combined as one...

[F.1.R.E 2]

Thanks TO-team for the new changes in the game. Surely I will not spend a penny in future, knowing that what I buy, in short time will have other qualities. Maybe it's a push for me to stop playing this game at all.

[wolverine848 13,097]

My sarcasm detector just beeped. Sorry if my views offend you, but I feel isida is comparable to fire/freeze only in terms of range. But like IAW and some others here say, I agree that isida isn't currently fit for DM. Mainly because it isn't designed to be there in the first place. If the devs wanted to make a niche for the isida in DM's, then ofcourse, the healing ability needs to be removed and the self-heal boosted.

Wasn't really trying to slam you.  Was just hopeful when I found out they were bumping it. But the 4% was... underwhelming.

[wolverine848 13,097]

guys if you have not heard , as of Dec 9 you have to create your accounts in tanki x if you reserved a name , after that your name can be taken by others..

 

 as time go's on this will be combined into tanki x.. so if you have not checked out tanki X, i advise you to compare  both systems from the start to now and you will see that they are both heading in the same direction as one game...

 

the Dev's are not listening to us all the have on the menu is a date when they will be combined as one...

Tanki-X... where the tanks look like houses.  

 

Are they ever going to change that perspective? It's too close. Might as well have a simulator view.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

This update is good for my M4 Isida. It brings it back to life once again. The downside is the Freeze will become a bit weaker. This is not fair for Freeze players because if Freeze is too weak, it will not be able to Freeze enemies properly.

Not quite...

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

guys if you have not heard , as of Dec 9 you have to create your accounts in tanki x if you reserved a name , after that your name can be taken by others..

 

 as time go's on this will be combined into tanki x.. so if you have not checked out tanki X, i advise you to compare  both systems from the start to now and you will see that they are both heading in the same direction as one game...

 

the Dev's are not listening to us all the have on the menu is a date when they will be combined as one...

That was interesting when we had a hope we can transfer our accounts to Tanki X. Now...who cares.

[Bydo 20,121]

well just wait and see when these are now one as time go's on ,.. and yea i get u on the issues of what happened i also wanted them to be one but things happen and the sooner you join tanki x the sooner your ahead of the crowd ,,,,

[Spit_Fyre 334]

Wasn't really trying to slam you.  Was just hopeful when I found out they were bumping it. But the 4% was... underwhelming.

Ikr, it's hard when they do this to your main turrets. I use isida too. Just not on this account is all.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Whos betting on another sale announced in vlog on friday?  :ph34r:

hmm... this time I dont think so.

Maybe something different, like announcing alternations maybe?

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Actually that game had a top rank of LtCol or Colonel, but by all means continue to pout.

That m0 isida of yours begs to differ.

[r_TNK121 6]

For next months tweak:

 

Return Isida's damage back to where it was after the update and just increase the self heal to 25%. That will make things interesting for Isida users... Do I attack and get some self heal? Or, do I heal and help my team win?... This will also help Isida on DMs.

 

And how about, if you don't want to increase the range overall, make two ranges, a longer damage range for an attacking Isida and a shorter healing range for a healing Isida. That will also help Isida in DMs.

 

Thanks.

Edited November 30, 2016 by r_TNK121

[FireHornet_Original 29]

Tanki doesn't check everyones garage before making changes. This nerf was necessary. I used to kill M4 combinations with my Stock M3 vulcan, so it was definately unbalanced. This hasn't be released yet so don't jump to conclusions already. Wait till tomorrow and then we'll see ;)

This is the attitude that's bringing the game down, and we the players (YOUR CUSTOMERS..WHICH DESERVE ALL THE RESPECT) need to stand it, just for the heck of it???  without asking/being sure the developers are doing the right thing or in what most players (YOUR CUSTOMERS) agree on???.

 

Many people had quit because this unnesesary, illogical, uncalled updates (which only degrades the sense of the game), this changes are a prank, you are not respecting your customers. You are not making things for the better.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

RailgunIz4Noobz

 

LittleWillie has alt accounts. He's played with m2 isida.

[NamesAreForNoobs 324]

Okay developers, stop wasting time messing around with parameters. We're waiting for those two new turrets, you know. Start thinking about those parameters, please.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

RailgunIz4Noobz

 

LittleWillie has alt accounts. He's played with m2 isida.

Alright then, ive played against lieutenant generals with my puny m1 hornet / m2 isida and gotten first on my team with a positive KD. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

RailgunIz4Noobz

 

LittleWillie has alt accounts. He's played with m2 isida.

Can't wait until he buys an M3. And uses it in DM.

 

But the rate the devs are messing around Isida will be OP (again) by then. B)

[austen_pierce 1,948]

Just checked Vulcan's current numbers vs tomorrow numbers.  My God that's a NERF.  I haven't done the math but eyeballing, this turret will be approximately 20% weaker.  That's HUGE.

[Infinite_Maelstrom 0]

Continue button?  seems a bit odd.  Everything else? Tick of approval.

[beaku 2,656]

I know many of you are too scared to speak up for fear of retaliation of some kind so I'll do it for you!

 

But why wait until the sales were over to inform players about the changes? Waiting until now has a stabbed in the back feeling to it. I can see why some of them feel cheated. Buff turrets then entice players to invest in them with sales only to nerf them straight after. I suppose tanki would not have got the income it did if they were to nerf them before the sale eh? And they wonder why mistrust and disrespect are commonplace around here!

I believe you should be able to reason that out for yourself. The global update happened in mid October and obviously they've been collecting stats on usage and performance of various equipment since then. So, what's more logical? Them releasing this patch update just after sales due to conspiracies or them actually requiring a month or so of data to decide what changes to make?

As for all the other players saying that Tanki is ripping us off, I don't know about that. But what I do know is that they have made it clear since many years ago that the game balance is dynamic and equipment will continually get tweaked so that no one combo remains OP/UP forever.

[Tani_S 736]

I believe you should be able to reason that out for yourself. The global update happened in mid October and obviously they've been collecting stats on usage and performance of various equipment since then. So, what's more logical? Them releasing this patch update just after sales due to conspiracies or them actually requiring a month or so of data to decide what changes to make?

Do they really care about statistics? I mean if they do, then why did they take the 'create' away after only ONE week after they introduced the 'battle' button and took these hype statistics as a reason.

 

They also had the chance to adjust the fire alteration much earlier, when nearly all other alterations were changed (on 20th October), but they did not. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Tani_S

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

;)

And in 2012 :

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=156411&p=2672187

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by a7x_Pedro48