Episode 118 of the V-LOG is here

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Why bring back friendly fire??? Imagine in Arena CP if your team is full of fire and freeze...

don't join if you don't like.

It is not set as default setting, so you will not find many battles that use it.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Lol that freeze alteration....

 

*cough* better change the name of the turret. It's lame enough already saying you use "Freeze"

[jordankiller 16]

Am I the only person who thinks that alterations are too expensive? They are a shift of parameters, not a upgrade, and would result in a more diverse gameplay if non-buyers could afford them at lower ranks. Railgun will cost a lot to make it like it was. I think alterations should be far cheaper, and the ones that are far better than the stock turrets should be nerfed. I think alterations should result in a more diverse, unique gameplay, not a domination by people who have 100k spare crystals to spend. If alterations were cheaper, people could tailor and customize their tanks to their own unique tastes, and it would be very intresting...

[Benefactor 6,888]

Those words. Railgun will be like the old railgun :P

So developers failed...

They succeeded. If you want the old Railgun back, you would have to pay for it - in parts.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Am I the only person who thinks that alterations are too expensive? They are a shift of parameters, not a upgrade, and would result in a more diverse gameplay if non-buyers could afford them at lower ranks......

 

Totally Agree. Alterations should be cheaper, not that I'm begging for free stuff but I just feel they would have a better effect if more people could afford them.  After all they are a customization not a boost and I feel anyone should be able to afford that. Thanks! :)

[misafeco 713]

True. I could buy alteration for Vulcan (M1), it's 50k. Which is 2x the price of the stock version. It gives faster horizontal aiming but slower vertical. No player will pay 50k for that.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Lol that freeze alteration....

 

*cough* better change the name of the turret. It's lame enough already saying you use "Freeze"

It depends on what "increase of damage" means.

 

If you have to sacrificy the freeze effect.. how much damage increase would you personally expect for that?   +30% maybe?

 

The thing is, I think that +30% will outperform Of-Stock-Firebird a LOT, and therefore ruin the balance. Especially if you consider the faster reload and lower energy conumtion of a Freeze :). But if the damage increase is too low, the alternation makes no sense.

I wonder how this will be sovled.

Edited December 9, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It depends on what "increase of damage" means.

 

If you have to sacrificy the freeze effect.. how much damage increase would you personally expect for that?   +30% maybe?

 

The thing is, I think that +30% will outperform Of-Stock-Firebird a LOT, and therefore ruin the balance. Especially if you consider the faster reload and lower energy conumtion of a Freeze :)

I wonder how this will be sovled.

Simple. Just make the afterburn and damage for the stock Firebird greater. 

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

you have to consider that there must be room for the fire M2 alternation as well.

 

If the stock-firebird has a decnt afterburn, then the alternation would "just touch you" and cast a death sentance above you.

Even if it's a hit-and-run thing, it has to be ensured that you have to stay with your firebird on the enemy for some time.. else you drive up a bunch of tanks , sway over three tanks for only 1 second and run - and they all burn to death within seconds.

 

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I think it will work by a reduction of the freeze stock damage (or by an increase of the firebird stock direct damage).

Of course the reload can be altered as well.. this is also a nice way to balance stuff.

Edited December 9, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[Tani_S 736]

alterNation

You are staying to your word  :lol:  :lol:

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

You are staying to your word  :lol:  :lol:

I just wait until GeeVuh has read it, then I edit it back :p

:D :D :D :D

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It depends on what "increase of damage" means.

 

If you have to sacrificy the freeze effect.. how much damage increase would you personally expect for that?   +30% maybe?

 

The thing is, I think that +30% will outperform Of-Stock-Firebird a LOT, and therefore ruin the balance. Especially if you consider the faster reload and lower energy conumtion of a Freeze :). But if the damage increase is too low, the alternation makes no sense.

I wonder how this will be sovled.

I think the damage increase would be good at 20%. Here's why:

 

-For a normal freeze player, that uses the effect to circle the enemy or slow down the flag carrier, they would never get the alteration. It doesn't matter what I personally "expect" to get as I bought freeze for the freezing.

 

-But for those Viking/Hunter-Freeze players that only use freeze as a pure damage-dealer (just for a lot of damage and because it has 2 seconds more charge than firebird), they will buy it, as the freeze effect wasn't that important. (Think Poly CP)

20% means that they will have an advantage over firebird so that the firebird will die first, but the afterburn should finish them off. (If it doesn't, all it does is prove my point that the stock firebird has too little afterburn)

 

you have to consider that there must be room for the fire M2 alternation as well.

 

If the stock-firebird has a decnt afterburn, then the alternation would "just touch you" and cast a death sentance above you.

Even if it's a hit-and-run thing, it has to be ensured that you have to stay with your firebird on the enemy for some time.. else you drive up a bunch of tanks , sway over three tanks for only 1 second and run - and they all burn to death within seconds.

 

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I think it will work by a reduction of the freeze stock damage (or by an increase of the firebird stock direct damage).

Of course the reload can be altered as well.. this is also a nice way to balance stuff.

1. Yes, the afterburn can't be raised so that the alteration is OP. But right now Firebird needs a tad bit more afterburn. Even the current alteration for firebird isn't that OP, it's about the same as the old firebird of a year ago. I still hold that the stock Firebird needs much more afterburn (which indirectly translates into damage)(as stated above) and the alteration needs to be that powerful.

 

Then, Maybe to balance out the alteration's extreme burning which would occur if the stock got much more afterburn, the reload can be increased and damage per second decreased, in addition to the charge time being cut in half.

 

2. No, I think the best solution is as proposed above. Stock freeze damage is fine, not good to lower it.  I also feel firebird and freeze (stock) should do the same damage.

Edited December 9, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

^  yeah you could be right on Freeze.

 

I'm pretty much alinged on your proposales for the fire M2 alteration, as I also proposed to cut reload and direct damage.

I think if the charge time is additionally nerfed too, then it is too much.

For me simmilar TTKs and efficiency are the things that count in the end.. lets wait for the next balance proposal

 

(it's really good to have frequently small changes now.. that much better then living with inbalanced stats for 6 months)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Hey Cedric could you answer this for me?

 

In the V-log it said that 2 new alterations are coming for Railgun. However, the second alteration looks like it takes the place of the first one. Does it mean the current alteration for Railgun will be removed?  

 

(Not that I mind...since the whole point of the alteration is to prevent you from having to 3-shot a light hull, and the old railgun never 3-shotted a light hull. I'm just curious. In fact, I hope the current one will be replaced. :)

 

Thanks!

[lukey0 27,543]

Nice V-Log, but will XT's ever get these alterations??

[Heles 9,220]

gr8

[LittleWillie 3,199]

It depends on what "increase of damage" means.

 

If you have to sacrificy the freeze effect.. how much damage increase would you personally expect for that?   +30% maybe?

 

The thing is, I think that +30% will outperform Of-Stock-Firebird a LOT, and therefore ruin the balance. Especially if you consider the faster reload and lower energy conumtion of a Freeze :). But if the damage increase is too low, the alternation makes no sense.

I wonder how this will be sovled.

 

 

There is no way these alterations will be performance-neutral. Some changes are good candidates, such as boosting rate of fire a litte to get a little more damage per shot. But changes like giving up crits for impact force and giving up freeze for damage are very dissimilar comparisons.

 

The only way to do it is put in the system and try to kill the majr flaw as fast as you can ... then go through rebalancings. This stuff unpredictable.

 

So long as the game is fun, it's worth it.

[jordankiller 16]

will alterations give different visual effects? Will firebird's flame look longer with the range alteration?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

will alterations give different visual effects? Will firebird's flame look longer with the range alteration?

I think it's such a necessity that it will be implemented. It would be quite confusing if the no-freezing alteration still made tanks turn light blue...

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

tanki be like *nerfs railguns damage to half of original damage* *makes a alteration that restores it to original stats* gg tanki , gg.........

[konaan12345 80]

Awesome  :rolleyes:

[MaloTio 0]

So the VLOG did not mention the removal of the battle creation button and how mad people are.

We are just supposed to shut up and take it.

thanks for nothing

[TTK_229 1,080]

100th post in this topic

Tell us about the Christmas sales :P

noicee uprank m9

I love you

Quick question, will there be a naming contest for the new turrets? I would call the rocket launcher Tornado.

Edited December 10, 2016 by TTK_229

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

No new turrets please

[GeeVuh 1,647]

 

No new turrets please

 

Why the heck don't you want new turrets? They just make the game more fun..  :wacko: