Freeze, overpowered?

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

I have asked you 2 times previously to tell me whats so funny about the price comparison. So for the third time??

 

idk.. 4k difference isn't that much when you can manage to get 22k.

 

 

Firebird countering freeze? No way we are allowing that... It would cause a huge unbalance.

 

I strive to join the best games possible.

 

I wonder why I haven't seen you yet in any game. I've been hoping to see you all day. :mrgreen:

[Raaish 26]

I think freeze is a bit Over powereda guy with m3 freeze and hornet killed me like in 3 seconds. I won't say this if i have m3 freeze :P

[MonkeyMagic 89]

I have asked you 2 times previously to tell me whats so funny about the price comparison. So for the third time??

 

idk.. 4k difference isn't that much when you can manage to get 22k.

 

 

Firebird countering freeze? No way we are allowing that... It would cause a huge unbalance.

 

I strive to join the best games possible.

 

I wonder why I haven't seen you yet in any game. I've been hoping to see you all day. :mrgreen:

 

Cant say i have EVER seen you in a game!!! Where you @?

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Cant say i have EVER seen you in a game!!! Where you @?

 

I join games in a pack.. :) Always at server 1, You're always welcome to join us.

 

Freeze is not over powered unless they are in professional hands, or in the hands of drug addicts. And by the way, M3 Firebird kills wasp in 2 seconds. So don't complain about it killing a hornet in 3 seconds. lol

[MonkeyMagic 89]

Cant say i have EVER seen you in a game!!! Where you @?

 

I join games in a pack.. :) Always at server 1, You're always welcome to join us.

 

Freeze is not over powered unless they are in professional hands, or in the hands of drug addicts. And by the way, M3 Firebird kills wasp in 2 seconds. So don't complain about it killing a hornet in 3 seconds. lol

 

i didnt...that was someone else. dont get overexcited now :wink:

[skitee 555]

from what i have seen, monkeymagic, you are saying freeze is OP'd compared to ric in short-range fights? if you respawn right next to the flag with a freeze getting it, then obviously your ric will lose. Why? Because freeze is a short-range high-damage weapon. Ric is a medium range large-damage weapon. freeze is made for close range, obviously it will win when you two are close together, are you asking for your ric to beat the freeze? That would be like Thunder beating you within your range with all shots hitting: ie, unfair.

[MonkeyMagic 89]

from what i have seen' date=' monkeymagic, you are saying freeze is OP'd compared to ric in short-range fights? if you respawn right next to the flag with a freeze getting it, then obviously your ric will lose. Why? Because freeze is a short-range high-damage weapon. Ric is a medium range large-damage weapon. freeze is made for close range, obviously it will win when you two are close together, are you asking for your ric to beat the freeze? That would be like Thunder beating you within your range with all shots hitting: ie, unfair.[/quote']

 

No thats not what i am saying. The point is that many games end up with a mass freeze drugged up pile up next to the flag. Just makes games boring....its not about what gun is better. read again.

[Cmeist 0]

what would happen if you have an m3 isida against an m3 freeze. Would the 15 heal per second of the isida basically lower the freeze's power down to 17 per second allowing the isida person to win???

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

what would happen if you have an m3 isida against an m3 freeze. Would the 15 heal per second of the isida basically lower the freeze's power down to 17 per second allowing the isida person to win???

 

Isida heals 50%

 

Freeze's power will be reduced for "5" seconds.

[GO_IRELAND 0]

im not going to quote anyone, but will reply to a few things said in this thread

first freeze isn't OP

2nd someone said about a group of freezes joining the game and making it onesided. that is true but it isnt valid only for freeze, i saw a silence game with 8 isidas on one side now that was a one-sided game, a team with a majority (60%+) of freeze/rico/isida/rail/thunder will have a big advantage over the other team.

3rd the price difference is small, agree with kool on that fact

4th i am an isida and am not worried by a single freeze, with help from 1 teammate an m2 freeze is taken down easily, also an m3 freeze as long as they dont use mammoth

[NoblePlatOne 19]

what would happen if you have an m3 isida against an m3 freeze. Would the 15 heal per second of the isida basically lower the freeze's power down to 17 per second allowing the isida person to win???

M3 Freeze owns an M3 Isida...and I say this as an M3 Isida user.

[MonkeyMagic 89]

since I first made this post I have in fact done what I said in the original post and started using freeze as my main weapon of choice. I stand by what I said initially. Freeze is seriously O.P. I drive an M3 Mammoth, M3 Freeze and Python paint. The combination is virtually unstoppable when drugged.

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

since I first made this post I have in fact done what I said in the original post and started using freeze as my main weapon of choice. I stand by what I said initially. Freeze is seriously O.P. I drive an M3 Mammoth' date=' M3 Freeze and Python paint. The combination is virtually unstoppable when drugged. [/quote']

 

:P You are doing good with it.

[cablaz 32]

since I first made this post I have in fact done what I said in the original post and started using freeze as my main weapon of choice. I stand by what I said initially. Freeze is seriously O.P. I drive an M3 Mammoth' date=' M3 Freeze and Python paint. The combination is virtually unstoppable when drugged. [/quote']

Then dont use it if you dont like it, I personally think freeze doesnt need anymore fixes or anything.

 

Freeze has 2 Dis-advantages:

 

~Short Range

~Long reload

Because of freezes high DPS, Thats why the developers made paints that does 40% against freeze, No other guns have 40% Against them except firebird,

And They made Freeze resistance paints cheap, 5000 for 30% against Freeze!

 

PS. I like color code ^_^

[MonkeyMagic 89]

since I first made this post I have in fact done what I said in the original post and started using freeze as my main weapon of choice. I stand by what I said initially. Freeze is seriously O.P. I drive an M3 Mammoth' date=' M3 Freeze and Python paint. The combination is virtually unstoppable when drugged. [/quote']

Then dont use it if you dont like it, I personally think freeze doesnt need anymore fixes or anything.

 

Freeze has 2 Dis-advantages:

 

~Short Range

~Long reload

Because of freezes high DPS, Thats why the developers made paints that does 40% against freeze, No other guns have 40% Against them except firebird,

And They made Freeze resistance paints cheap, 5000 for 30% against Freeze!

 

PS. I like color code ^_^

 

try reading what I have said.... not once have I said I dont like it. The whole point of the ENTIRE thread is that Freeze is O.P.

 

And disagree about the reload. I dont know for sure, but would guess its quicker than firebird, isida and richo.

[cablaz 32]

since I first made this post I have in fact done what I said in the original post and started using freeze as my main weapon of choice. I stand by what I said initially. Freeze is seriously O.P. I drive an M3 Mammoth' date=' M3 Freeze and Python paint. The combination is virtually unstoppable when drugged. [/quote']

Then dont use it if you dont like it, I personally think freeze doesnt need anymore fixes or anything.

 

Freeze has 2 Dis-advantages:

 

~Short Range

~Long reload

Because of freezes high DPS, Thats why the developers made paints that does 40% against freeze, No other guns have 40% Against them except firebird,

And They made Freeze resistance paints cheap, 5000 for 30% against Freeze!

 

PS. I like color code ^_^

 

try reading what I have said.... not once have I said I dont like it. The whole point of the ENTIRE thread is that Freeze is O.P.

 

And disagree about the reload. I dont know for sure, but would guess its quicker than firebird, isida and richo.

 

Ok but still -__- Freeze isnt that O.P compared the the paints the protects against it, 30% for 5k! That is cheap for a 30% resistance

[r_St.Evergreen0 3]

Oh sure cablaz then explain why there are 22% protections for 3k.

[MadDog21 230]

Interesting discussion, tennis match, badminton game. Back 'n' forth, to and fro. I think I see a theme. Any turret/tank that defeats me is "overpowered." Any combination I use is underpowered or just right. Creating and managing Tanki is a monstrous challenge. Add 2 million plus accounts with at least half crying and moaning about unfair bans, overpowered equipment and whatever complaints spawn in all these fertile and "fair-minded" brains, and it's amazing they get things done at all. But, they do.

 

I appreciate discussion, but one thing that seems to be missing is the greater reality that developed skills and crafty strategies can offset any or most combinations and top ranked players. Every marshall pops and any player can pop 'em. I've seen lower ranked players top the finish list many times regardless of tank/turret/skin combinations. How? Learned skills and well conceived strategies. Oh! And, certainly, drugs for those addicted to them. The "No Supplies" battles are great learning grounds and fine opportunities to test one's mettle devoid of the rampant druggers. Enter those, save your own drug inventories and play the most fair matches available. You'll see some fine players using all manner of combinations.

 

Mostly, enjoy yourselves. It's here for fun.

 

MadDog21

[NoblePlatOne 19]

Damn...I hate it when people use logic. :shock:

[MonkeyMagic 89]

Interesting discussion, tennis match, badminton game. Back 'n' forth, to and fro. I think I see a theme. Any turret/tank that defeats me is "overpowered." Any combination I use is underpowered or just right. Creating and managing Tanki is a monstrous challenge. Add 2 million plus accounts with at least half crying and moaning about unfair bans, overpowered equipment and whatever complaints spawn in all these fertile and "fair-minded" brains, and it's amazing they get things done at all. But, they do.

 

I appreciate discussion, but one thing that seems to be missing is the greater reality that developed skills and crafty strategies can offset any or most combinations and top ranked players. Every marshall pops and any player can pop 'em. I've seen lower ranked players top the finish list many times regardless of tank/turret/skin combinations. How? Learned skills and well conceived strategies. Oh! And, certainly, drugs for those addicted to them. The "No Supplies" battles are great learning grounds and fine opportunities to test one's mettle devoid of the rampant druggers. Enter those, save your own drug inventories and play the most fair matches available. You'll see some fine players using all manner of combinations.

 

Mostly, enjoy yourselves. It's here for fun.

 

MadDog21

 

no theme here, no one has complained about any and every tank that beats them being 'overpowered'. just a discussion regarding the overpowered weapon freeze. also, no one in this thread has complained about tanki developers, or unfair bans. why do you feel the need to mention such things? i dont see what it has to d with the thread content at all - totally irrelevant.

 

as for strategy; use strategy all you want. i have played against you with my freeze and mammoth and your little hornet and m3 richo got ripped apart. bottom line is some tanks and weapons in this game are stronger than others, some of those weapons are overpowered.....

 

now let me get back to the lobby and complain about the mods banning people with my 'fair-minded brain'.

 

see ya.

[Mokpama_rapra 5]

@MonkeyMagic

 

Both Freeze and Firebird are unbalanced weapons.

 

The problem with Freeze is not that Freeze is OP - how otherwise you can destroy Mammoth M3 at single burst, to justify use of this weapon? The problem with Freeze is that at M2/M3 levels Freeze has quick reload and long fire consumption. To balance this weapon IMO, its damage should be increased with 40% (up to 50 dps at M3), but increase recharge times with 50% (up to 15 secs at M3) too, and lower consumption with 40% to 5 secs.

Yeah - at M3 to have 250 damage for 5 secs, but then reload for 15 secs. Moreover this would be close to the spirit of uber heavy weapons - devastating damage and long recharge times.

 

The Firebird suffers from the same problem, but in reverse. There damage and consumption rate are fine, but recharge is too long to make this weapon useful at higher levels. There IMO recharge rate should be dropped with 50%.

Yeah - at M3 to have 120 damage for 5 secs, with reload of 5 secs