How Tanki Can Make More Money

[BLASTER872 1,892]

Tanki. You want money, right? Every company does.

 

I do not mean this in a derogatory manner. You'd be much better off with money, right?

 

If you want to sell a product, you have to convince people to buy it. And that's the first point this topic will be reaching.

 

1. How to convince people to buy your product

If you want people to buy your product, they have to trust that your product is worth buying and that YOU will respect your product. People have to be proud of buying a product, such as "Look! I have a Lenovo PC and it's so awesome!", instead of, "What Lenovo PC? Oh, I replaced it a long time ago, heheheh..."

 

A. You have to respect your consumers.

If I buy a lamp, it's my lamp. Now let's say you can modify my lamp to "make it better". If my lamp actually becomes better, great! However, if you constantly change the lamp for the worse, soon nobody will buy that lamp.

 

Same with Tanki Online. I've known lots of people, most buyers, that have left YOUR GAME because of what you did to their equipment. Imagine a happy Vulcan Dictator player before the rebalances. Then the rebalances mess up VULCAN AND DICTATOR and now that player left.

 

What if he was a potential buyer?

 

B. Build a trusting relationship with your consumers

It's no secret. If your consumer trusts your product, they'll come back for it. Similar to the first point. How does a company build trust and a good reputation? TRANSPARENCY.

 

How much of what's going on do you know? "Hmm, they have plans for... Uh... changing the game! Yeah!" Reeeeal specific. Thanks for the insight. I didn't know that they planned to change the game. Let's be honest here -- you don't know ANY of what's going on. Nor do I. Heck, nor do some mods! If a player asks a question, most of the time (unless the question is obvious, like "how much for this amount of MUs") the mods will reply, "No clue, use help section to ask questions next time, closed".

 

C. Have others respect your consumers.

Currently, buying is a stigma of shame. People are proud to say, "look, I haven't spent a cent on this game and am still OP hahaha". I pull out Thunder M3? "buyer noob!" "u srsly need to buy for an advantage?" "i'm pro, you just steal your mommy's credit card feal some shame". Ideally, it should be "thx so much for supporting the game we play."

A comparison of the behavior of the communities is...

Tanki Online:

Noob: "BLASTER NOOB BUYER!"

BLASTER: "No, I'm not a buyer, you're just a jealous kid..."

N: "Oh yah? Let's see who has more skills use M1s like me! Let's see who gets more kills, that's who has more skill!"

B: "I already proved it... with my equipment."

*Accusator rages*

 

Any Other MMO

Non-Buyer: "Hey blast nice equip. Did you buy?"

BLASTER: "Yup! You have pretty decent too."

N: "Ty. How much did you invest in the game?"

B: "50 dollars"

N: "It's awesome people like you that keep our game running! Ty for supporting the game we play, the devs are awesome"

And Tanki should do this about it....

 

2. Taking Action

Most of the problems tankers have with financially supporting the game is attitude. Developers already know how they can change their poor attitude themselves, so I won't cover that. What I will cover is how they can change player attitude.

 

A. Community

This community as a whole is not one to be proud of -- people crying "noob buyer" all the time, irrational statements, and all the like. However, there are some of the most analytical minds I've seen in Tanki Online regarding statistics. I mean people such as @BlackWasp777, , , and @AbsoluteZero. If the developers listened to minds such as these for a change, a chain reaction that will benefit the community will follow.

 

Let me illustrate.

Developers listen to these people -> Game is improved -> Everyone loves the devs and the guys who suggested these good ideas -> More people will listen to the devs and the guys who suggested the ideas -> The devs spread facts such as admins do not drop golds.

If you have anything you would like to add that I may have missed, or have any feedback/questions about any of my claims, please comment it below -- I hope devs get wind of this! Especially 2A.

Edited December 26, 2016 by BLASTER872

[gabriele02 3,813]

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[BLASTER872 1,892]

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[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

Tanki, you should offer a job to OP in the marketing department.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

Tanki, you should offer a job to OP in the marketing department.

100% off on all turrets for the next 5 years

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

100% off on all turrets for the next 5 years

No. With that kind of business strategy, don't waste your time packing for Perm.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

No. With that kind of business strategy, don't waste your time packing for Perm.

I've already got a good job tbh

 

However, I could develop business strategies for devs but all they will do is wave it awaaay

[Guest]

1A: Although that applies to a lamp, it hardly ever applies to anything online (even outside MMO's). Softwares get updates (sometimes bad....cough Adobe cough...), Social media gets new features, etc. Now you might not be paying money directly into these "free to use" stuff but you pay indirectly by sacrificing your privacy and personal data. About MMO's in specific, all games get these updates. Recently, Dota had an update which practically rendered all the old tactics and gameplay style useless. Imagine the rage that must have caused in old players. But it's still alive and blooming. The surest way to kill a game is to leave it static.

 

1B: It's not all about transparency but practical feasibility too. If they start telling us all about their constantly changing plans, most of which get scrapped or completely reworked, we will be 100 times more confused than we are now.

1C. That's not Tanki's problem. You'll find those players in practically every MMO. Ignoring them is the best advice I can give.

[LaserShark 2,095]

All online games go through a popularity cycle, Tanki just managed to accelerate theirs. From what I've seen on other online games, it's already doomed, to make a turnaround would be, to my knowledge, completely unprecedented. I hope it makes a comeback, but I don't see it happening.

Edited December 26, 2016 by LaserShark

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Thank you for considering me as an "analytical mind" but please do not associate me with attention seekers who lower themselves to ask nonsensical questions just to make sure they have the last word :lol:

 

"nonsensical" "stupid" "hypothetical" -Those phrases; Your clever way of evading the question, because it confuses you and blurs your great and profound moral sense of right and wrong in Tanki Online.  As for having the last word, that's kind of the point, no? 

Edited December 26, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Great job BLASTER. :) People are more willing to invest in a game if they feel they will get much more enjoyment of their own will, rather than being forced to it. ;)

Edited December 26, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

LMAO is anybody on this forum understands the principle of free-to-play games???

I understand the principle, which is to give special items and advantages and make content unlockable only for real money. Within this broad principle there are many different paths, some better and some worse.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

1A: Although that applies to a lamp, it hardly ever applies to anything online (even outside MMO's). Softwares get updates (sometimes bad....cough Adobe cough...), Social media gets new features, etc. Now you might not be paying money directly into these "free to use" stuff but you pay indirectly by sacrificing your privacy and personal data. About MMO's in specific, all games get these updates. Recently, Dota had an update which practically rendered all the old tactics and gameplay style useless. Imagine the rage that must have caused in old players. But it's still alive and blooming. The surest way to kill a game is to leave it static.

 

1B: It's not all about transparency but practical feasibility too. If they start telling us all about their constantly changing plans, most of which get scrapped or completely reworked, we will be 100 times more confused than we are now.

1C. That's not Tanki's problem. You'll find those players in practically every MMO. Ignoring them is the best advice I can give.

1A: Stat changes are not new mechanics

And mechanics that deliberately limit the player have no place in a game that's meant to bring fun, not limitations

 

1B: As soon as the devs decide on something, they should tell the players beforehand. Balance changing updates such as the MU overhaul should be deliberately delayed to give people more time to prepare.

 

1C: Read 2A. Also, no community is as disrespectful to buyers and impulsive about buyer-accusations as this one.

 

Tanki Online:

Noob: "BLASTER NOOB BUYER!"

BLASTER: "No, I'm not a buyer, you're just a jealous kid..."

N: "Oh yah? Let's see who has more skills use M1s like me! Let's see who gets more kills, that's who has more skill!"

B: "I already proved it... with my equipment."

*Accusator rages*

 

Any Other MMO

Non-Buyer: "Hey blast nice equip. Did you buy?"

BLASTER: "Yup! You have pretty decent too."

N: "Ty. How much did you invest in the game?"

B: "50 dollars"

N: "It's awesome people like you that keep our game running! Ty for supporting the game we play, the devs are awesome"

 

So what if it isn't Tanki's fault? Isn't it obvious which one potential investors would choose? The community might not be so bad because of Tanki, but because this is Tanki's community, a potential investor would choose the other MMO.

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Thank you for the output, I honestly appreciate it and it gave my claim some stronger evidence.

 

LMAO is anybody on this forum understands the principle of free-to-play games???

That is the central point of this topic. Maybe some of us understand it. But think of it this way:

 

TO -> "forces" you to buy

Community -> Forces you not to drug, or buy, or etc...

 

Other game -> Tries to maintain balance but still tries to convince you to buy with little goodies that don't ruin the balance.

Community -> Supportive of the decision to support the game they are playing.

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The point of this topic is "how to invest in your game if your community is so annoying?"

 

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2000mc and I_already_won, fighting won't help anyone and will divert the dev attention:

Edited December 26, 2016 by BLASTER872

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

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2000mc and I_already_won, fighting won't help anyone and will divert the dev attention:

 

I agree. This thread, and your analysis, are great. :) There's really not much I can add.

 

2000mc, however, had to come in here and post something completely off-topic about how he didn't like being identified with me. -_-

 

If you want, ask a mod to hide both our posts. I don't mind. :)

[BLASTER872 1,892]

I agree. This thread, and your analysis, are great. :) There's really not much I can add.

 

2000mc, however, had to come in here and post something completely off-topic about how he didn't like being identified with me. -_-

 

If you want, ask a mod to hide both our posts. I don't mind. :)

Thanks!

 

It's fine. If you want, you can hide your own post as well

[Truthteller 4,204]

So true I like absolute zero he is smart.

[o.O_clairvoyant_O.o 18]

It all depend on currency exchange. They think that other countries have a avg annual income = a million dollar.

That's not true.I am just a student who holds a bank balamce in 5 digit inr. so at max i can have 1500 dollars. so I can't afford to invest that much amount on the game for such low product pack.The value of products should be according to different currencies.

In that case many new buyers will crop up and alternativaplatform will earn a huge.

But it's not possible as it requires expansion which they don't want to do in Asia. -_-

[Guest]

1A: Stat changes are not new mechanics

And mechanics that deliberately limit the player have no place in a game that's meant to bring fun, not limitations

 

1B: As soon as the devs decide on something, they should tell the players beforehand. Balance changing updates such as the MU overhaul should be deliberately delayed to give people more time to prepare.

 

1C: Read 2A. Also, no community is as disrespectful to buyers and impulsive about buyer-accusations as this one.

 

Tanki Online:

Noob: "BLASTER NOOB BUYER!"

BLASTER: "No, I'm not a buyer, you're just a jealous kid..."

N: "Oh yah? Let's see who has more skills use M1s like me! Let's see who gets more kills, that's who has more skill!"

B: "I already proved it... with my equipment."

*Accusator rages*

 

Any Other MMO

Non-Buyer: "Hey blast nice equip. Did you buy?"

BLASTER: "Yup! You have pretty decent too."

N: "Ty. How much did you invest in the game?"

B: "50 dollars"

N: "It's awesome people like you that keep our game running! Ty for supporting the game we play, the devs are awesome"

 

So what if it isn't Tanki's fault? Isn't it obvious which one potential investors would choose? The community might not be so bad because of Tanki, but because this is Tanki's community, a potential investor would choose the other MMO.

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Thank you for the output, I honestly appreciate it and it gave my claim some stronger evidence.

 

That is the central point of this topic. Maybe some of us understand it. But think of it this way:

 

TO -> "forces" you to buy

Community -> Forces you not to drug, or buy, or etc...

 

Other game -> Tries to maintain balance but still tries to convince you to buy with little goodies that don't ruin the balance.

Community -> Supportive of the decision to support the game they are playing.

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1A. Stat changes are necessary and completely justified in almost all MMO's. You just cannot run an MMO by keeping the balance and stats static forever. It'll choke to death.

1B. Thats kinda what currently happens. It feels fast to us because devs themselves get very little time between final decision and actual implementation. It's hardly their fault when the whole gaming industry runs like that. Also, delaying updates isn't feasible since it causes actual losses in terms of time and money to the company.

1C. I would love to know what those other games are :wub:.... I've played over two dozen MMO's and haven't found a single community which isn't toxic and hate spewing. In fact, Tanki was the cleanest one I found hence why I stuck.

As for the last part, I can only say that it's tougher to maintain balance than what it looks like, but tanki is trying. Just have a look at TX and you'll notice a much better balance ;)

[DageLV 940]

Noob: "BLASTER NOOB!"

100% agree on this one!

[BLASTER872 1,892]

1A. Stat changes are necessary and completely justified in almost all MMO's. You just cannot run an MMO by keeping the balance and stats static forever. It'll choke to death.

1B. Thats kinda what currently happens. It feels fast to us because devs themselves get very little time between final decision and actual implementation. It's hardly their fault when the whole gaming industry runs like that. Also, delaying updates isn't feasible since it causes actual losses in terms of time and money to the company.

1C. I would love to know what those other games are :wub:.... I've played over two dozen MMO's and haven't found a single community which isn't toxic and hate spewing. In fact, Tanki was the cleanest one I found hence why I stuck.

As for the last part, I can only say that it's tougher to maintain balance than what it looks like, but tanki is trying. Just have a look at TX and you'll notice a much better balance ;)

1A: They make it not static by either adding new levels or slowly and slightly changing stats. Or adding new equipment!

 

1B: It might not be economically feasible, but it certainly will build trust. Right now Tanki has one of the least supportive communities -- 1B will change that. Take a game called Shaodw Fight 2. Every person wanted the new updates. "OMG UPDATE YES!!!1!"

 

Tanki?

"Ugh new update it sucks"

While they are definitely not that bad, it's the attitude that can change. Mainly with transparency and 2A.

 

1C: 

Take Dungeon Hunter 5 for example. People deliberately help each other do missions all the time. Tanki? Not so much. DH5's community is clean, and witty.

 

Also, even if I let you take the ground for that and assume that most MMO communities are toxic, Tanki will still benefit from a better community. Let's say that if Tanki follows my advice and other similar advice, and we end up with clean(er) communities, take a look what will happen:

 

Guy 1: "Ugh, [random MMO] sucks. Money-hungry devs, cancer community, jeez..."

 

Guy 2: "This game called Tanki Online has awesome devs and the best community ever."

 

G1: "Kay, lemme try"

 

*a few days later*

 

G1: "You were right OMG OMG such a great game!!!"

 

You have just gained a potential investor. Also, here's a mental habit of ours: If we get frustrated by an issue a product has that can easily be fixed, we grow far more appreciative of another product that addresses it, eventually switching over.

 

It honestly doesn't matter how the other communities compare -- it benefits TO either way if they improve their community.

 

Worse AND better have now been proven with some hypothetical scenarios and some mental habits of ours. For the "appreciate addressed flaw" part, I think you'd agree there and I don't think I need a source for any of my evidence because I don't have that much time and all these things are things we experience consciously

[dan146_tanker 770]

I bet all the developers of Tanki Online read this entire topic at least once.

[Epic_Space_Mango18 592]

I repeat: you don't understand the principle of a free-to-play

 

Anyway, I agree with most of your points @BLASTER872 and I even already raised them in my own topic but the most lucid of us know nothing will change so I won't discuss about them again here. Nothing personal. Moreover, the community we both complain about disturbs such serious discussion by posting nonsensical comments and questions as I quoted a few posts above. Twice more reason to log off and enjoy this packet of yummy cookies near my laptop. Good luck though ;)

 

Same goes for any other major issue

Of course, this is a free to play game in general, but a great deal of players would need to buy to keep up with a lot of other players who are regular buyers. This game being filled with them, it forces people to need to buy. They can still decide not to buy, but then they're stuck with, say m1s against huge buyers with fully micro upgraded m2 product kits like Simoom and on drugs.

 

In short, it's non buyer m1s vs buyer m6s.

 

NOT that all buyers spend so much, but there are some. Just earlier a team mate on a Noise CTF game I was on had Northerner and when I checked him, his turret, hull and module were 50/50. the module, of course, being 10/10 and he was drugging. It's easy to assume he was going in circles, endlessly capping the flag, easily earning over 1,000 points in about ten minutes.

 

I was able to get an M2 kit without buying since I was smart with my crystals, but I have only 5 micros on my hull and like 3 on my turret :/

 

I did buy the 30k bundle pack just to give myself a quick boost in crystals, though.

 

Also, I just purchased M2 Hornet 40% off and tomorrow I'm getting M2 Hammer tomorrow along with its new high capacity drum alteration. Even if I hadn't purchased that bundle, I'd still have enough since the items are currently on sale where free players can get good equipment, thus proving your point this game is free to play with the exception that players, like myself are smart with their crystals. Say I didnt buy that bundle pack, say I didn't buy that kit...I'd have around a quarter million crystals. (250,000)

 

But a lot of players I see in the chat even at my ranks mention that have low funds, most of the time the players have below 20,000. I'd then check their profiles and see they have a bunch of m0s and m1s and maybe an m1 turret or hull. These players, which, like I said, there are a lot of will need to buy to catch up, but that's up to them.

 

It all comes down to how you spend your crystals. My old account which I abandoned is 2nd Lieutenant I have Viking m1, and Shaft m1. Everything else is either m0 or not even bought yet. My Shaft was 23/50 Mu and my Viking 20/50. I was only spending my cry on micro upgrades thus leaving me broke constantly with no chance of being able to save up for any m2s. I was planning on making my Shaft 50/50 so i could get the M2 at the rank of Major, but there's no way I could afford that.

 

I needed to buy.

 

But didn't.

 

So, I started over. Was making enough cry to begin with on that new account. Needed to buy, but didn't.

 

Again I started over.

 

That's how this account came to life! With the Beginner's pass lasting nearly a month and being a recently new thing this year, it was basically a free premium pass, for, like I mentioned, nearly a month. During that time, I played a LOT. The pass lasted me until WO5! By then I had over 100,000 crystals, no buying! Shortly after hitting 3rd Lt, I bought possibly the weakest M2 kit there is. Voltage. Not only that, I was inexperienced with Railgun and Dictator, so not a very smart purchase. Either that or Avalanche, but I hated Hornet at the time and Freeze, I will never use that turret. Yeah it was 14,000 crystals cheaper, but I needed an upgrade from my M1 Smoky M1 Viking which I was very good with, but with tons of m2s running about, even my mastery of the combo wasn't enough in most battles.

 

Simooms were everywhere -_-

 

But, surprisingly, I got used to my new kit in fairly quick order and I no longer have to sit in place, adjusting my turret to make sure I'll hit my target when I fire. Now I can be moving, my target can be going the other way, I can simply turn my turret and fire and most fo the time, I hit my target. Voltage is a weak kit, but strong in the right hands. With it, I got into one of the strongest clans on TO. The Tanki Masters clan.

 

Being a free player is hard, but not impossible. I've spent $6 bucks on this game from taking online surveys because I had nothing else to do. Other than the 30,000 crystal bundle I bought 2 gold boxes.

 

You're right. You don't have to buy to play this game. I_already_won is right as well. For those who don't spend their crystals correctly, they'll have to buy.

 

Like I said, it all comes down to how a player spends his or her crystals.

 

I hope my reply can shed maybe the slightest hint of light on this and I wish you a happy new years!

[Guest]

Russians don't have any idea what you are saying. They don't consider something that you bought and paid for to be yours. They believe in stealing. When they nerfed my thunder 2 years ago I argued with them for days. They don't even know what you are talking about. Something being my property is a foreign concept to the Russians.

I don't see how Russia comes into this :huh:..... Every game ever does this. It's legal and, to an extent justified.

[Bydo 20,144]

Think about it this way , if you buy a chocolate bar do you buy for the looks or what's inside ... some look amazing for there packaging but the bar inside is garbage and then you get ones which the packaging is garbage and yet the bar is out of this world great..

 

this also go's for games some games on the internet you just skip bye ..cause of there pictures for advertising and the lack of info on the games and then others poor advertising and great games ..

 

for tanki it self ,  things change some good and bad , it takes time to find the balance ...  you can't tell me we all like the spangle paint for example some like and  hate .. just like updates not everyone likes them  .. to me i would rather the system be fixed then have updates which end up damaging game play .. but then others have no issues with there systems and this will happen .. this is life ..

 

even customer service i find some days it good and other days need better service to understand customers...

 

so in the end we all can't have our cake and eat it too ... we will have issues and not much anyone can do about it.. this is how tanki wants to run the company and if you want to lodge a complaint go to ....  http://alternativaplatform.com/en/ and complain there .. I  guarantee  you they will look into it .. all my complaints have been dealt with in a mature and reasonable way.. i'm satisfied for now .. they want to hear positive or negative feed back so they can make there customers satisfied with there product .. cause if were not then they will loose money in the long run with less players and then where are they in the gaming business but in the bin with a bad reputation and trust me no company wants to loose money

 

good luck ... also i'm not provoking anyone just saying whats on my mind...

[BLASTER872 1,892]

I bet all the developers of Tanki Online read this entire topic at least once.

If they did, they would have left a comment.

 

And hired me to be the head of marketing :P

 

Russians don't have any idea what you are saying. They don't consider something that you bought and paid for to be yours. They believe in stealing. When they nerfed my thunder 2 years ago I argued with them for days. They don't even know what you are talking about. Something being my property is a foreign concept to the Russians.

While I disagree with your use of "Russians", if we replace it to be "Tanki" that's the entire point.

 

Say I have a computer. It's graphics driver is outdated and absolutely garbage. However, it's operating system is... say... Windows 10. What would I do? Update my graphics driver (which is simple).

 

Tanki has absolutely garbage mult prevention system. Tanki's other stuff wasn't so bad (being able to create battle w/o the pro pass! and balance that wasn't bs!). They basically downgrade from Windows 10 to Vista or XP. And they let their driver rot and divert attention.

 

THEY don't know how to fix the graphic driver. But, people such as AbsoluteZero and BlackWasp777 DO know. Yet, the devs with their arrogance refuse to listen to them

Edited January 2, 2017 by CooperO
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