Patch Update 456 - Video by Hazel-Rah

[Hatty1994 819]

1v1 Fire and Isida, both with Double Damage, I think Fire will win. Someone should try that.

Depends who shoots first fire could win on heavy hull with help of afterburn.

Firebird will win because of the after-burn as well as support from alterations, also it depends on hulls as well as protection modules.

[Truthteller 4,204]

Who mentioned alts? We must make it fair Isida is a vampire with DD

[misafeco 713]

Isida is balanced now, no longer feels like an m1

It's not. With drugs and an Isida behind me I'm nearly immortal now. Two Isidas are death to any close-mid range turret without taking any damage.

 

Healing buff is definitely not balanced.

[Truthteller 4,204]

It's not. With drugs and an Isida behind me I'm nearly immortal now. Two Isidas are death to any close-mid range turret without taking any damage.

 

Healing buff is definitely not balanced.

Oh maybe people will get more skillful and use tactics, magnums shafts can take out healers and the isida is sacrificing his ammo by healing too, isida felt like an m1 for a long time and only now its balanced.

[misafeco 713]

Oh maybe people will get more skillful and use tactics, magnums shafts can take out healers and the isida is sacrificing his ammo by healing too, isida felt like an m1 for a long time and only now its balanced.

That's your best argument? :D

The "isida used to be bad" argument is also invalid, because it has nothing to do with the current state of the weapon. I noticed how Tanki makes some weapons OP then nerf it to being useless. Not because of balance reasons obviously.

[Truthteller 4,204]

Deal with it.

[misafeco 713]

Deal with it.

-Isida is balanced

-No it's not, because [reasons]

-Deal with it

 

:lol:

Thanks for this great discussion.

[lukey0 27,543]

Oh maybe people will get more skillful and use tactics, magnums shafts can take out healers and the isida is sacrificing his ammo by healing too, isida felt like an m1 for a long time and only now its balanced.

Yea but when it heals faster than a gun can deal damage we have a problem, especially since the charge will last for 10 seconds. Enough time for the Isida healed teammate to kill any enemy. 

 

Don't even get the started on the damage. It can kill as fast as a Medic heals... If thats not OP I don't know what is unfortunately... 

[r_sg971 163]

We'll either have to get isida in next sale or get splash damage weapons, because isida chains will be seen quite frequently soon.

 

I sometimes use isida, but the thing is, isida prevents the battle fund from growing, so when I play with isida, I get like 600 crystals for 1000 score, even if I'm on the winning team, because only players from opposite team are dying, which adds to the battle fund.

[misafeco 713]

We'll either have to get isida in next sale or get splash damage weapons, because isida chains will be seen quite frequently soon.

 

I sometimes use isida, but the thing is, isida prevents the battle fund from growing, so when I play with isida, I get like 600 crystals for 1000 score, even if I'm on the winning team, because only players from opposite team are dying, which adds to the battle fund.

Battle fund system needs to be reworked to be honest.

[Truthteller 4,204]

Tons of guns are more OP than isida, short range should overpower medium range its ur fault u let them come close

[Tani_S 736]

Tons of guns are more OP than isida, short range should overpower medium range its ur fault u let them come close

Which ones should be more OP than Isida?

[Truthteller 4,204]

Firebird Freeze specially fire with alt why does no one care about fire buff? Because everyone has fire and they dont want opponents to be op too

[misafeco 713]

Firebird Freeze specially fire with alt why does no one care about fire buff? Because everyone has fire and they dont want opponents to be op too

They didn't change the alt's parameters, only stock Fire recieved a buff. I can live with that even if for Vulcan it's worse than for other turrets because of the overheating.

But now I can't even deal damage to anyone protected by Isida, because my DPS is way lower than the healing power of Isida (same level).

[zainslimshady 474]

Firebird Freeze specially fire with alt why does no one care about fire buff? Because everyone has fire and they dont want opponents to be op too

After this update isida is way too op. I have everything M3 so I am just being honest. Read misafeco post. You cannot kill somebody with an isida behind healing him... why? Because it is healing more faster than you could do damage. And I see you only have isida M3 in your garage. So that's the reason you are liking that buff maybe :)

[Truthteller 4,204]

Yeah I have only isida m3 which felt like an m1 i dont even heal people anyways so yeah. I never mentioned alt was buffed major dude

[Tani_S 736]

Actually it would be interesting to see another test that CooperO conducted. Imho Isida is OP now and Firebird is still OP. Maybe it will be the better time for the test after they buff Freeze  :P

[Hatty1994 819]

It's not. With drugs and an Isida behind me I'm nearly immortal now. Two Isidas are death to any close-mid range turret without taking any damage.

 

Healing buff is definitely not balanced.

Some noobs have no idea what they are writing :D You are absolutely correct -- IMMORTAL.

Oh maybe people will get more skillful and use tactics, magnums shafts can take out healers and the isida is sacrificing his ammo by healing too, isida felt like an m1 for a long time and only now its balanced.

Magnums also can't stop isida since its healing power increased too much & it took reload time for magnums to hit accurate spot where isida is moving.You have to guess & fire magnums. Same case with shaft & leave aside striker. It took years to lock targets :P You may play against M4 isidas to get some knowledge where problem lies.

We'll either have to get isida in next sale or get splash damage weapons, because isida chains will be seen quite frequently soon.

 

I sometimes use isida, but the thing is, isida prevents the battle fund from growing, so when I play with isida, I get like 600 crystals for 1000 score, even if I'm on the winning team, because only players from opposite team are dying, which adds to the battle fund.

Isidas get extra points for healing teammates which helps in power-levelling & farming crystals easily with much resistance.You can camp & heal teammates where you can get high score & can get a sweet reward ;)

Battle fund system needs to be reworked to be honest.

No need to mess anymore. Move on with the current battle system. If you protest, they will come up with another stupid bull update again, so shut up & play this game as you like.

Firebird Freeze specially fire with alt why does no one care about fire buff? Because everyone has fire and they dont want opponents to be op too

Don't talk like noob. With firebird buff, at least there lies at least some balance with new isida buff otherwise isida will become immortal.

Edited April 30, 2017 by CooperO
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[r_sg971 163]

Time to play xp/bp.

Isidas are not allowed there  ;)

Edited April 24, 2017 by r_sg971

[Hatty1994 819]

Time to play xp/bp.

Isidas are not allowed there  ;)

It will take long time to rank-up like @Oufa :D :P

[r_sg971 163]

It will take long time to rank-up like @Oufa :D :P

Nope.

xp/bp is the fastest way to rank up (without supplies)

 

I think OUFA took time because this account had been abandoned earlier, and later he started playing on this one.

 

If you play well, you can get more than 2k experience per hour.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

 

R.I.P. Shaft: totally nerffed & shelved by devs, just as I was getting to full M4 and finally usefull, now rusting away in garage... what a waste :rolleyes:
Those who moan about one-shot shaft have no clue. Shaft by no means has it easy.

 

1. Takes ~20s & you're vulnerable while you get into a decent safe sniper position.
2. Then you have to wait around for ages to get a glimpse of a shot. Drugging would wear off by shot time.
3. You hope target has no shield.
4. Can only be used if your team are winning & on offensive.
5. You can really only play 3/4 maps. Highways, Brest, Madness, ...
6. Your own team is always knocking you off, bumping into you.
7. You are pretty much defenseless at close range.
8. Stupid "lasers" were added to sights to warn enemy.
9. Magnum is last nail in shaft coffin. They can be totally concealed, have no lasers to warn you, & way over powered.
10. Why would anyone buy Shaft over Magnum now? Would swap in a heartbeat...

1) same for every tank trying to get into position. You don't enjoy killing a freeze-viking that just spawned and can't get cover in time?
2) same for any camper. And... you're complaining about your supplies wearing off?
3) Use DD. DD & DA basically counter each other.
4) Not necessarily true. Position yourself better so you can hit enemies in wider area of map.
5) Seen shafts in Polygon and Noise. You end up using Arcade-shot more, but that is quite powerful too.
6) better positioning (again) better team and more communication will reduce this
7) As are most long-range weapons. It's fair as an isida is pretty defenseless against shaft at long-range, right?
8) Without laser Shaft would be ridiculously OP - instant death with no way to find the shooter...
9) Magnum is new. Who knows what tweaks will happen after it has been studied.
10) see 9 ... and... very few have protections against it since - it just came out.

 

 

 

Firebird will win because of the after-burn as well as support from alterations, also it depends on hulls as well as protection modules.

Yeah, isida currently has no useful alterations while Firebird has a great one.

 

It's pretty even 1 vs 1. Biggest diff is afterburn. If Firebird can get the jump and can get away it will kill more often. whereas Isida will still likely die even once it has killed the firebird.

[Hatty1994 819]

Nope.

xp/bp is the fastest way to rank up (without supplies)

 

I think OUFA took time because this account had been abandoned earlier, and later he started playing on this one.

 

If you play well, you can get more than 2k experience per hour.

Go fight @Oufa in RU4 right now. He is fighting there ... Handle him ;) :P

[r_sg971 163]

Yeah, isida currently has no useful alterations while Firebird has a great one.

 

It's pretty even 1 vs 1. Biggest diff is afterburn. If Firebird can get the jump and can get away it will kill more often. whereas Isida will still likely die even once it has killed the firebird.

Dont forget that isidas rarely indulge in 1 vs 1 situations.

They prefer to hide behind a heavy medium hull and heal them.

 

760 healing per second for 10 seconds cancels firebirds 760 damage per second.

Isida shouldn't have that much power.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Dont forget that isidas rarely indulge in 1 vs 1 situations.

They prefer to hide behind a heavy medium hull and heal them.

 

760 healing per second for 10 seconds cancels firebirds 760 damage per second.

Isida shouldn't have that much power.

But that's 2 vs 1.  Is expected. In any combination of combatants.

 

If two hammers approached, who you think they gonna target?

Isida now has to choose - defend itself or heal. If it defends it runs out of "fuel" quickly.

If it has been constantly healing it is likely at half-fuel or less. Somewhat helpless.