What to buy? Which is better?

[apple.com.au 2]

Generally on a light hull, its better to use medium-long range paint protections, because with your speed, you can usually avoid most of the close range users by simply backing up and keeping your distance. If you played any other maps... I'd recommend a paint like Savanna, Digital, etc... but since those maps are loaded with Freeze and Thunder users... you might find success using Rustle. There are lots of Isidas in Noise/Silence too, so the 10% Isida protection is actually useful. Rustle is a cheap fix for a good paint that will last you for many ranks, and with a few MU's its even better. Some say its better than Emerald, but I suppose its a matter of opinion. For the price, its a steal. I have Zeus paint, yet I still use my Rustle on many occasions.

 

Your main problem when using a light hull, is that you simply don't want to be 1 shot killed by an enemy railgun user. This absolutely hinders you. Savanna will prevent this, and generally Emerald will too. I wouldn't exactly suggest buying Savanna though, since there are so many other smoky protections around, it encourages people in general to not use Smoky, therefore you wouldnt benefit as much with a smoky protection yourself if there are less players using it already. Thunder on the other hand is extremely popular... in all three of those maps you listed. I would think Emerald or Rustle would do you the best for a 'temporary' paint to last you until the high ranks where you can get something more expensive.

 

I used Tundra forever until I finally bought Rustle, and it was a substational upgrade, but my problem - being a wasp user, is that I can't use Rustle nor Zeus with wasp, because enemy railguns 1 shot kill me. I'm forced to use my old Tundra paint... which is pretty lame. I desperately need something like Prodigi at this point, or anything with 10-20% railgun protection on it so that I can use my Wasp more efficiently.

 

This won't apply to you once you get M3 hornet, it can take an M3 rail shot. At M2 on the other hand, you'll be facing a few M3 railgunners so it could certainly be a problem for you for a couple of ranks if you play with those at Brigaider to General ranks.

 

Inferno/Irbis/other close range paints are better for use on heavy hulls, because they take more damage from close range weapons. They can't escape, and need to survive while they deal as much damage as possible, so usually you will use Inferno in a map like Hill, Island, Deck-9, Farm, etc,  where it is loaded with Freeze users with heavy hulls on drugs. Don't get me wrong, close range paints can be used on light hulls, but from my experience, and a few discussions with others, at least until you get your M3 Hornet, you'll want to use some medium to long range protection on it. Rail or Thunder will probably fit you best.

 

Sorry if I rambled there. Hope you can make sense of some of that.

 

 

I was thinking to get rustle on the sale but I didn't because I got m2 firebird instead. How long does rustle last? Because for a long or medium paint I would get prodigi for that. Also I was considering inferno because freeze is so common for me even more than thunder, but you said I could avoid them. Well it is hard to avoid them once they hit you etc.

I am currently using leopard paint and I mu'ed it a bit with freeze

[doduobird 315]

I was thinking to get rustle on the sale but I didn't because I got m2 firebird instead. How long does rustle last? Because for a long or medium paint I would get prodigi for that. Also I was considering inferno because freeze is so common for me even more than thunder, but you said I could avoid them. Well it is hard to avoid them once they hit you etc.

I am currently using leopard paint and I mu'ed it a bit with freeze

LiquidGold used it all the way up to Marshall... 

[doduobird 315]

I am talking about m2, i have both m1. I usually get good scores with thunder but i am afraid that i might find more thunder paint at high ranks. So is fire worth it? 

Yes, Fire M2 is worth it. My friend said that Thunder M2 at the Brigadier ranks sucks, because they're just too many paints, but maybe that's because he only has Thunder M2...

[blackopspaul 753]

I am talking about m2, i have both m1. I usually get good scores with thunder but i am afraid that i might find more thunder paint at high ranks. So is fire worth it? 

GO FOR IT im getting it on  50% sale along with m2 viking 

Edited March 9, 2014 by blackopspaul

[Remaine 4,687]

Yes, Fire M2 is worth it. My friend said that Thunder M2 at the Brigadier ranks sucks, because they're just too many paints, but maybe that's because he only has Thunder M2...

That's untrue. This is coming from a Brigadier who frequently uses Thunder M2 himself.

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

Is it a good idea to max MU M3 Thunder first, before buying any other M3 hulls? I play a lot of DM with M3 Thunder/M2 Mammoth/Emerald and I find this combo really effective (and pretty effective with Generalissimos). For hulls, I'm thinking of Hornet or Viking. But I'm too lazy to save for them. I don't want Hornet since I like to keep my D/L high, but it is cheap and I only need to rank once to get it. Viking is good with Thunder, but it is a bit more expensive compared to Hornet and I will need to rank up twice to get it. Currently, I only have 24K crystals and I'm about 75% through Brig. Currently, my Thunder looks like this:

 

[r_brandybabyxx0 737]

Get an M3 hull... its more important than a couple of MUs... an option which is disabled half the time. Once you get your favorite M3 combos, then feel free to dive into the world of MUs... but maxing it is never very beneficial. I'm in the same boat that you are currently in, and I suggest you get an M3 hull, if not multiple M3s before you begin MUing one. Youve already done the most important steps. At this point it would be more beneficial for you to get a hull and then MU its HP a bit, plus your paint, if you want to be great in DMs.

[doduobird 315]

Yeah, nowadays, PRO battles are getting really popular, so MU's will probably be switched off. I agree with brandybaby, an M3 combo is much more important than a bit of extra damage.

And btw I was looking through the International Holidays for 2014, and April 12 is Yuri Day! So hopefully Russia celebrates a holiday about their space hero Yuri Garagarin, so maybe they'll add Space Madness and give us a discount :P

Edited March 9, 2014 by doduobird

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

Yeah, nowadays, PRO battles are getting really popular, so MU's will probably be switched off. I agree with brandybaby, an M3 combo is much more important than a bit of extra damage.

And btw I was looking through the International Holidays for 2014, and April 12 is Yuri Day! So hopefully Russia celebrates a holiday about their space hero Yuri Garagarin, so maybe they'll add Space Madness and give us a discount :P

hopefully 99% off everything :D

[doughnut2100 763]

So guys, I still like shaft, but I have been playing sandbox CTF non-stop for a month or more. I barely go into other modes or maps. Pro battle, with everything turned off, and an XP battle is all I need for the day. Anyway, since I dont do much else, shaft is useless to me. So, I have taken it off my list, and added to my maybe list.

My updated m2 list is:

Railgun m2 (check)

Hornet m2

Hunter m2

Smoky m2

Firebird m2

 

:)

[NewKlear52x 1]

After a long time, using  (freeze, railgun , isida) - m2 with hornet m2, i got bored, and want to get something new, or to use a new combo.

 

I play CTF battles, and I'm usually going in attack, sometimes defence (camping) .

I also have mamonth with ricochet m2, and rest of turrent at m1, + inferno, urban, spark, python

 

At the moment , i'm using hornet-isida m2 with inferno, but i;m confusion,- what to get next.

 

Isida m3 , smoky m2 or twins m2 ????? i know isida m3 would be powerful, but smoky and twins are also very good, especially as they are used by most of high-rank players.

 

Any suggestions for a new combo? or what to get next? :huh:

[hamzerodragon 0]

what  is  better  frezz  or  firebird

[In10shnableFoul 38]

So guys, I still like shaft, but I have been playing sandbox CTF non-stop for a month or more. I barely go into other modes or maps. Pro battle, with everything turned off, and an XP battle is all I need for the day. Anyway, since I dont do much else, shaft is useless to me. So, I have taken it off my list, and added to my maybe list.

My updated m2 list is:

Railgun m2 (check)

Hornet m2

Hunter m2

Smoky m2

Firebird m2

 

:)

Hunter M2 sucks at the M2 stage. Just saying its probably worth it more to not buy it at M2, get all your other stuff, then buy both the M2 and M3 at the same time when you rank.

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

Hunter M2 sucks at the M2 stage. Just saying its probably worth it more to not buy it at M2, get all your other stuff, then buy both the M2 and M3 at the same time when you rank.

? From my observation Hunter is pretty good at M2. You just need to have a paint to protect against M2 Shafts

[doduobird 315]

Hunter M2 sucks at the M2 stage. Just saying its probably worth it more to not buy it at M2, get all your other stuff, then buy both the M2 and M3 at the same time when you rank.

There's not much point in getting Hornet M2 and Hunter M2, because the only thing on your list that goes well with Hunter is Smoky, and that's at Colonel.

[Remaine 4,687]

Hunter M2 sucks at the M2 stage. 

False.

[Yoshister 39]

Isida M2 or Freeze M2?

[In10shnableFoul 38]

? From my observation Hunter is pretty good at M2. You just need to have a paint to protect against M2 Shafts

Thats my opinion, i just feel that it is pretty much hornet but slower with a little more health, and compared to Viking and even Dictator it sucks

[In10shnableFoul 38]

False.

Again my opinion, especially because he wants Hornet M2 so it is pointless

[Remaine 4,687]

Again my opinion, especially because he wants Hornet M2 so it is pointless

That's a common misconception. Hunter and Hornet aren't as similar than meets the eye.

138 compared to 174 is a big difference alone. But going into more advanced circumstances:

- What if he wants something fast that's a better pusher? (Would be useful for golds)

- It will be useful for drugging - something that goes fast but has way more HP.

- The placing of the turret on Hunter makes for more different gameplay.

 

And I could go on.

Your Hunter is probably M0 so you've no clue how useful Hunter can be and how different it is from Hornet.

So no, it's NOT pointless and you've completely miscontrued its statistics.

[In10shnableFoul 38]

That's a common misconception. Hunter and Hornet aren't as similar than meets the eye.

138 compared to 174 is a big difference alone. But going into more advanced circumstances:

- What if he wants something fast that's a better pusher? (Would be useful for golds)

- It will be useful for drugging - something that goes fast but has way more HP.

- The placing of the turret on Hunter makes for more different gameplay.

 

And I could go on.

Your Hunter is probably M0 so you've no clue how useful Hunter can be and how different it is from Hornet.

So no, it's NOT pointless and you've completely miscontrued its statistics.

True my Hunter is M0, but for a reason. Why would i want something a little slower than hornet and a little more health when i could go with Dictator or Viking? Hunter is by far the worst medium hull there is. If he wants gold boxes then obviously Dictator is the choice. He wants to go fast thats a better pusher? Duh. Viking. Viking is way better at drugging than Hunter. Like i said compared to other medium hulls it sucks.

[Xenophobia 457]

My hunter is also M0 but I use it pretty much at my alt account and I tested it at the test server. It's different than hornet and I am probably getting M3 hunter (from medium M3 kit when I reach the rank)

Edited March 9, 2014 by Xenophobia

[Xanthosis 0]

True my Hunter is M0, but for a reason. Why would i want something a little slower than hornet and a little more health when i could go with Dictator or Viking? Hunter is by far the worst medium hull there is. If he wants gold boxes then obviously Dictator is the choice. He wants to go fast thats a better pusher? Duh. Viking. Viking is way better at drugging than Hunter. Like i said compared to other medium hulls it sucks.

(This is Rem here - on an alt to test something)

 

What if the placement of the turret doesn't suit the turrets he wants? Railgun, Firebird and Smoky all go better with Hunter than they do Viking. Rail is questionable with Dictator but the other two are BY far with Hunter. Dictator wouldn't be the "obvious" choice as it can easily get pushed out the way by other hulls. I know you say that due to this height but its lack of power makes this advantage redundant. Viking may have improved in speed since the old physics but it's still not fast compared to other hulls - you're over-exaggerating its speed. Unless you're using Rail, I don't find Dictator good at all - I'm one of the people who think Viking is better than Hunter but not by a mile - Hunter is definitely a great hull. Only reason why I didn't get it M2 is due to the fact I was ranking too quickly and so there wasn't enough time to get it. And you don't seem to have understood what I said - either that or you ignored it. 138 and 174 is a big difference and it makes the difference between surviving extra shots from Smoky and Thunder; you can go for much longer with the close range turrets and the longer range turrets - not much of a difference there. Hunter's a great drugger - it turns into a motor-car on Nitro and the Double Armor makes it so it can survive a lot. And don't get me started on versatility - one of the two hulls in my eyes can that work with any turret.

 

It's the mix between Hornet and Viking and it's a perfect one.

 

You're underrating it and that's due to lack of experience. I know Hunter's a great but underrated hull, the person in question, doughnut, knows it and many other people know it. Therefore, I'm not sure why I'm disputing it to someone ignorant to it.

 

Just realising this, this discussion will not go on for any longer unless you send me a private message with a response to this.

 

 

My hunter is also M0 but I use it pretty much at my alt account and I tested it at the test server. It's different than hornet and I am probably getting M3 hunter (from medium M3 kit when I reach the rank)

Nice. I will probably get it M2-M3 at some point as well. I M1'ed it but never took it any further.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Xanthosis

[cube3e 1,973]

In the future, should I get m3 freeze, m3 isida or m3 thunder? I just like playing for fun, so I have no preferences for maps, playing style etc. btw, by that point, I also plan to have m3 light tank kit.

Edited March 9, 2014 by cube3e

[Remaine 4,687]

In the future, should I get m3 freeze or m3 thunder? I just like playing for fun, so I have no preferences for maps, playing style etc. btw, by that point, I also plan to have m3 light tank kit.

I'd go for M3 Thunder then M3 Freeze.