What to buy? Which is better?

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

That player has to be a hacker. No way he has a k/d over 3 with any turret. Especially hammer. Maybe only pro battles but I don’t believe.

 

you have a generalissimo account, am i right? keep an eye out for my clan in battles. if you see someone ranked commander check his profile to see if its this guy. if it is join the battle and see if a hacker or not for yourself. don't bother searching pro battles, i have never ever seen him in pro battle except parkour before.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

i have other hammer friends with k/d 10-30. they're ranks are lower, like from captain to colonel. yes, they drug a lot but... they are the kind of people who join losing outnumbered teams who are getting spawn killed.

Edited November 12, 2017 by GuidoFawkes

[I-Hate-Druggers 192]

you have a generalissimo account, am i right? keep an eye out for my clan in battles. if you see someone ranked commander check his profile to see if its this guy. if it is join the battle and see if a hacker or not for yourself. don't bother searching pro battles, i have never ever seen him in pro battle except parkour before.

Very well.

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

that wasn't my intent. i was just trying to say... nope, it certaintly wasn't the drugs, it was the hammer ;)

I just looked up my own profile and compared the drugs/hour ratios.

They are very similar - I use 58 drugs/hour and he uses 57 drugs/hour.

 

Now, I normally do very well in my non-pro games, maintaining a KD of over 2 most of the time.

My overall KD is brought down by the fact that I was a "casual noob" throughout the warrant officer to colonel ranks - at one point it was 0.8

 

If I only played non-pro battles then it would go up, but Im enjoying playing xpbp a lot and that keeps it around the 1.3 mark.

Maintaining a KD of 2 isnt 3.5, but I dont play for KD, which it seems to me like most of your clanmates/friends do, considering how much importance you give it.

 

With hammer, it is possible to use your 3 shots, deliver your volley of destruction and then hide. Rinse and repeat, thus it is possible to maintain an extraordinarily high KD using this playstyle. This isnt how I like to play, I'd rather keep moving and find my next target as soon as one is dead.

okay then, get 800+ score and 0 deaths and win 10-0 on highways, go ahead :D

Im still gonna try this :P

But I dont know how much success ill have

Guess you never know if you never try

Edited November 13, 2017 by D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S

[MJROCKS05 428]

 

 

highways are always full of noobs who use shaft to get easy kills and score, one good hammer is enough to smash all of them and steal all their flags


people think highways is for shafts but not even shaft can get this amount of flags there

don't listen to noobs who don't know how to use it ;)

 

 

 

 

Easy game, just checked the profiles of the people on the red team... complete noobs. Not hard for anyone to do that on your rank with drugs and probably a largely MU'ed Hammer with decent protection against shaft/rail/magnum. Infact, the opponent team doesnt even have pro players, most of them are comparatively low ranked. Probably had an Isida from your clan healing him 24/7 too. Highway map is the easiest map in low ranks as no one cares to defend the flags or mid-field, do it against legends/ commanders and I'll accept that your friend is a true pro

 

 

 

actually he uses fewer drugs per hour than you do. if he's "less skill more drugs" then what does that make you?

 

 

 

^ This profile reeks of drug overuse (no pun intended), this guy probably plays battles seldom and drugs a lot in any battle he does play. Infact he doesnt use "Less drugs per hour", it's just that he doesnt play often or spends most of the time in parkour battles. Its impossible to have a KD of 3.54 in game without using drugs.... Even my extremely hardcore drugger friends with m4's can manage only a maximum of 2 KD. 

 

Anyway, I've played a lot against hammers before.. Make them miss one shot/maintain enough distance and they're toast. The reload time is makes it easier to kill them before they kill you and hammer with drugs < most of the turrets with drugs. 

Edited November 13, 2017 by MJROCKS05

[omarhero1 401]

Hammer is well balanced and a good all-round turret, the only main drawback is the relatively long reload time between shots especially with HCD alteration equipped.

The standard reload time of M4 hammer is 1.8s and 1.98s with the alteration.

Hammer is so fun to use thanks to the massive impact force and Slugger alt. makes it even better.

As aforementioned, the lengthy reload is annoying because it leaves you completely helpless for about 2 seconds and vulnerable to high rate of fire turrets.

Edited November 13, 2017 by omarhero1

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

 

there is not a single module against shaft, railgun and magnum, thanks

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

 

Easy game, just checked the profiles of the people on the red team... complete noobs. Not hard for anyone to do that on your rank with drugs and probably a largely MU'ed Hammer with decent protection against shaft/rail/magnum. Infact, the opponent team doesnt even have pro players, most of them are comparatively low ranked. Probably had an Isida from your clan healing him 24/7 too. Highway map is the easiest map in low ranks as no one cares to defend the flags or mid-field, do it against legends/ commanders and I'll accept that your friend is a true pro

 

check the profiles of the enemy team now. even outnumbered, against clan members who drug every match and lose 10-0 he still got 4.60, and this is a generalissimo battle.

 

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

people come here to listen to expert's advice, not noob's advice. If you can't use it just keep your mouth shut about it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

highways are always full of noobs who use shaft to get easy kills and score, one good hammer is enough to smash all of them and steal all their flags

 

 

 

 

 

 

people think highways is for shafts but not even shaft can get this amount of flags there

 

don't listen to noobs who don't know how to use it ;)

Which player is the Hammer player you are discussing?  Score 842 or score 253?

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Which player is the Hammer player you are discussing?  Score 842 or score 253?

842, i blacked out 253 by accident, i don't even know him and he wasn't even a hammer.

[r_arstrike0 6]

Drugging can sure change k/d , experience and score......

 

But still .......

I-Hate-Druggers

 

Edited November 13, 2017 by r_arstrike0

[wolverine848 13,097]

842, i blacked out 253 by accident, i don't even know him and he wasn't even a hammer.

So "842" had 0 deaths and 15 kills with high score....

These results indicate "842" made moderate kills and capped lots of flags.

 

How does using hammer have anything to do with this?  

Could have had an isida and ended up with same outcome.

 

Teams were also not balanced at all - 4 generals on winning team - none on losing team.

Score (10-0) reflects the team quality.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

So "842" had 0 deaths and 15 kills with high score....

These results indicate "842" made moderate kills and capped lots of flags.

 

How does using hammer have anything to do with this?  

Could have had an isida and ended up with same outcome.

 

Teams were also not balanced at all - 4 generals on winning team - none on losing team.

Score (10-0) reflects the team quality.

because most of red team left after they started losing;

 

anyway, you can use the other picture i provided. this one shows him losing 10-0. and look and the numbers and the ranks... and check the profuiles of the enemy team, those clan members are all industrial buyers and druggers... but that still didnt stop him from getting good score and kills.

[wolverine848 13,097]

because most of red team left after they started losing;

 

anyway, you can use the other picture i provided. this one shows him losing 10-0. and look and the numbers and the ranks... and check the profuiles of the enemy team, those clan members are all industrial buyers and druggers... but that still didnt stop him from getting good score and kills.

Can use the same argument you just used - maybe they started off more even but most of his team left after they started losing.

 

So one (of two) screen-shots you posted shows a hammer with good k/d ratio.  In neither cases was the Hammer instrumental in winning the battle.

 

There likely many instances of Shaft having a very high k/d ratio in a battle where the shafts team loses.

 

Nothing presented so far supports the argument it is "king of all turrets".  Small-medium maps?  Can be very effective.  But if it was as great as you claim there would be more of them.  Fact is on many maps they are uncommon.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Can use the same argument you just used - maybe they started off more even but most of his team left after they started losing.

 

So one (of two) screen-shots you posted shows a hammer with good k/d ratio.  In neither cases was the Hammer instrumental in winning the battle.

 

There likely many instances of Shaft having a very high k/d ratio in a battle where the shafts team loses.

 

Nothing presented so far supports the argument it is "king of all turrets".  Small-medium maps?  Can be very effective.  But if it was as great as you claim there would be more of them.  Fact is on many maps they are uncommon.

it's better than any other turret but it can't face all of them alone.

 

I can't prove this but actually the enemy team was winning at first.  that clan is our rival so we told him to get in and show that clan what only 2 of us are capable of.

 

It is uncommon because it is hard to use, and people are noobs in general.

[wolverine848 13,097]

it's better than any other turret but it can't face all of them alone.

 

I can't prove this but actually the enemy team was winning at first.  that clan is our rival so we told him to get in and show that clan what only 2 of us are capable of.

 

It is uncommon because it is hard to use, and people are noobs in general.

Still sticking with "better than any other turret" ?

 

Vs light hulls it can kill faster than any other turret (assuming optimal range - which is NOT long)

VS medium hulls twins catches up.

VS heavy hulls no contest - Twins ftw.

 

All things being equal basic math says a Twins/Titan combo can beat hammer 1 vs 1.

Add protection - where hammer needs a re-load - and it get even worse. Twins never has to re-load.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Still sticking with "better than any other turret" ?

 

Vs light hulls it can kill faster than any other turret (assuming optimal range - which is NOT long)

VS medium hulls twins catches up.

VS heavy hulls no contest - Twins ftw.

 

All things being equal basic math says a Twins/Titan combo can beat hammer 1 vs 1.

Add protection - where hammer needs a re-load - and it get even worse. Twins never has to re-load.

twins has slow projectile speed, slower turret rotation when firing, low damage per shot, and low impact. hammer has the super power of being able to jump away! it is already possible to not take a single shot from twins with wasp hammer, if it's a drug battle then there's nitro!  of course twins will win if they just face each other and shoot and you do this all the time in normal battles where everyone is noob, but do you even care about this type of battles?

[wolverine848 13,097]

twins has slow projectile speed, slower turret rotation when firing, low damage per shot, and low impact. hammer has the super power of being able to jump away! it is already possible to not take a single shot from twins with wasp hammer, if it's a drug battle then there's nitro!  of course twins will win if they just face each other and shoot and you do this all the time in normal battles where everyone is noob, but do you even care about this type of battles?

I get the feeling you have not used twins much...  or even seen it in action much...  Low impact?  :huh:  <_<  :blink:

 

And you keep mentioning how everybody is a noob.  Maybe those are the twins users you faced so far.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I get the feeling you have not used twins much...  or even seen it in action much...  Low impact?  :huh:  <_<  :blink:

 

And you keep mentioning how everybody is a noob.  Maybe those are the twins users you faced so far.

yes, low impact per shot as compared to hammer, very very low impact.

 

i have used m2 10/10 twins once, used it for a few hours... and i have used  m3 16/20 another time, also another couple hours. not my accounts, don't ask how or why.

 

many people in my clan use twins, many people from rival clans use it too, i see it in action all the time.

[Kurt_KurtDGreat 2,259]

yes, low impact per shot as compared to hammer, very very low impact.

 

Ehhhh, yes when compared to hammer it is quite minimal, however you can't say it's negligible. Especially when it comes to M3. And you have to consider the continual impact too. For example if I am using railgun I can easily time when the hammer will have to reload (assuming no alterations). When using twins, there is literally no time to reload so it's hard to shoot without getting your aim knocked off.

 

As always, it depends on the situation :)

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

actually he uses fewer drugs per hour than you do. if he's "less skill more drugs" then what does that make you?

 

people come here to listen to expert's advice, not noob's advice. If you can't use it just keep your mouth shut about it.

people are noobs in general.

 

of course twins will win if they just face each other and shoot and you do this all the time in normal battles where everyone is noob, but do you even care about this type of battles?

I'm sorry, Im just reading this interesting discussion about Hammer, and then, every now and again, it always comes back to the same topic, that if we dont agree with you, we are just noobs and we're using it wrong. Who are you to tell us who is noob and who isnt? Have we ever played with/against you? It seems as though, whenever someone makes a decent counterargument, your usual return is either a personal attack on the poster, or just a general dismissal of "people are noobs".

 

Please, when discussing something, try and stay as on-topic as possible, without defaulting back to attacking the person, or calling people noob in general. Attack the person's ideas, completely fine. Attacking the person themselves, not okay.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I'm sorry, Im just reading this interesting discussion about Hammer, and then, every now and again, it always comes back to the same topic, that if we dont agree with you, we are just noobs and we're using it wrong. Who are you to tell us who is noob and who isnt? Have we ever played with/against you? It seems as though, whenever someone makes a decent counterargument, your usual return is either a personal attack on the poster, or just a general dismissal of "people are noobs".

 

Please, when discussing something, try and stay as on-topic as possible, without defaulting back to attacking the person, or calling people noob in general. Attack the person's ideas, completely fine. Attacking the person themselves, not okay.

i was just pointing out that it's not because the turret isn't good, it's simply because they don't know how to use it, that's why they think it's not good, that's all.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Ehhhh, yes when compared to hammer it is quite minimal, however you can't say it's negligible. Especially when it comes to M3. And you have to consider the continual impact too. For example if I am using railgun I can easily time when the hammer will have to reload (assuming no alterations). When using twins, there is literally no time to reload so it's hard to shoot without getting your aim knocked off.

 

As always, it depends on the situation :)

I think Guido forgets there are two barrels on Twins. For every stat displayed on the Wiki - double the result.

 

Twins at m3 has more impact than stock m3 smoky.  Been on receiving end numerous times and my viking  dances around like a rag-doll.

[MJROCKS05 428]

yes, low impact per shot as compared to hammer, very very low impact.

 

i have used m2 10/10 twins once, used it for a few hours... and i have used  m3 16/20 another time, also another couple hours. not my accounts, don't ask how or why.

 

many people in my clan use twins, many people from rival clans use it too, i see it in action all the time.

True that twins has low impact force as compared to hammer but it gets the job done. Twins is a nightmare for slow reloading turrets and is a monster against a light hull. Idk why u keep on insisting that hammer is the best when it is far from even being an allround turret. You points abt twins having "slow projectile speed", "slower turret roatation when firing" which btw is not true at all and low damage/shot are all irrevelant. Twins' rotation speed is enough, has good projectile speed for its range and has a high DPS. Ever seen multiple hammers in a long-ranged map? I have neither but after the repair kit update you see twins and firebirds everywhere and they aren't even meant for long ranged battles. 2-3 biased screenshot don't tell the complete story kid, I can produce a few of my own and start ranting about my favourite turrets too. "Hammer is the king of all turrets" is your opinion, keep it to yourself, dont try to prove everything and expect people to believe in you blindly