DBF for 24hrs + Sale on "Supplies 1500" and Shop kits

[Apex_Predator 537]

Today I tried to play with my brother. Silly me, I thought that DBF stood for "Double Battle Funds," instead of "Drug Battle Festival." Warrant Officer 3 was completely unplayable. We tried our lower rank accounts (some sergeant) and it was slightly better; not because people didn't use drugs but because they didn't know how to play. It seems that people learn how to drug before they learn how to play these days.

 

I was considering to buy something for Tanki's birthday (most likely a paint, as I really don't need any more equipment for the time being), mainly because Tanki is (or was) overall a fun game and I really don't want it to go bankrupt and disappear. But the truth is that I hardly ever have fun with it anymore. I think that Tanki is a great game, but lately it has made several management mistakes, which have cost them players, and might end up costing them the whole game.

 

The first mistake was to get so much money from supplies. And before you look any of my profiles and call me drugger, listen to what I have to say: I like supplies. They are cool and they make the game more interesting. The problem with supplies is that it is all fun and games until somebody starts using them non-stop. Then it stops being fun for everybody, those who use them and those who don't. The only way to have fun when people use supplies non-stop is if you are in the team with most druggers. I guess that some people might actually enjoy drug wars as well, but my hunch is that they are a minority. Tanki should not have made a system to get so much profit from selling supplies, because now the game is not fun and there seems to be no way to stop it.

 

The second was all that stuff with battle creation. First they took away the player's ability to create normal battles. I still do not understand why, maybe it was to fight people who were "cheating the system" to do their missions. As far as I can recall, I was never explained other than being "a step toward the matchmaking system." But that was cool, they made pro-pass a lot cheaper for lower ranks and for a time pro-battles flourished and were sort of fun. Then, of course, they took the missions away from pro-battles. And now, good look trying to fill a pro-battle other than Noise CTF or Polygon CP.

 

The third mistake was merging all the servers. My new pastime in Tanki is to start saying random stuff in Latin every time people write in Russian. All of a sudden, the chat has become useless, at least for me. Not that it was very useful before, but at least you could interact to some extent with other players. Yes, the chat was full of people trying to sell accounts, to trick others into getting their passwords, people asking for gold boxes and so on, but at least you could some times communicate meaningfully with others. Now it's just a foreign game.

 

And it's a pity, because none of these has to do with the game itself, it's all a matter of bad management. The only problem that I see in the game itself is the mission system together with the battle fund distribution. As it is now, it highly encourages players to play in normal battles which they do not enjoy in order to maybe get some crystals. They would love to only play pro-battles, but if they do so, they will lag behind other players who do missions and not be able to buy the proper equipment for their rank. They aren't forced to do missions, but not doing them is almost suicidal. Moreover, if you're a free player, you had better play only to complete missions, and then create more accounts if you want to play more, but if you play much more after completing your missions, you'll be in trouble. This might be very good for the game economy (a phrase that Tanki likes to use a lot but that I still don't quite get), but it is rather bad for the game's life. It simply means that the system encourages you to play less instead of more.

If you add the poorly distributed battle funds to that, it creates a system in which players simply abandon losing teams because once you've scored 200 points in a losing team, it is better for you to just leave the battle and score 200 points in a winning team than stay and score another 200 points in the losing team. And so, as soon as it is clear which side is going to win, people starts abandoning the losing team, which is fun for neither the guys in the losing team who stick 'til the bitter end nor for the guys in the winning team.

 

I was really looking forward to the html5 version of the game, and the last livestream left me very excited about the matchmaking. Now, I'm not sure I'll keep playing much longer. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Hazel said that they've got something big in store for this summer and that soon the number of players is going to increase a lot. I don't know if he truly believes that, or he is simply trying to encourage players to keep buying. Anyway, I'll stick around for the summer, and then we'll see, 'cause if I don't have fun, it's not fun to play.

 

i'm not smart enough to read all that, but i'm smart enough to NOT read it.  :D  :lol: 

Edited May 27, 2017 by Apex_Predator

[maryam98 1,171]

 

i'm not smart enough to read all that, but i'm smart enough to NOT read it.  :D  :lol: 

Oh, if you read it through it's quite good and very interesting

[Bamsi 9]

Nice D&F sales I bought 1500 supplies kit and premium account for 38 days  :rolleyes:

[lukey0 27,543]

Tanki devs are literally making money out of tricking YOUNG PEOPLE who don't know any better!! I haven't seen an act this low in the gaming world!

Ever played Candy Crush?  :rolleyes:

[Bakili_79 60]

I want Tanki to go bankrupt, it's no longer the game we used to play

 

Tanki devs are literally making money out of tricking YOUNG PEOPLE who don't know any better!! I haven't seen an act this low in the gaming world!

 

Shame on them! they are such failures! everything they do now causes more and more people to stop playing

 

I don't believe a word Hazel says, he seems like an actor and untrustworthy, and he is so arrogant he is unbareable to watch

they are crooks,thieves

[wolverine848 13,097]

If you play 5-10 hours per week, the mission supply is enough. If you play more than that yes you can't compete against them as you will run dry on supply before they do. I don't play more than than on normal battle, i also play on pro-battle as there is more xp and more crystals (more death and quicker).

The question is how many of them buyer to do play against for each normal battle. At my level this goes from 0 to 2 per team, and some time they would be other normal druggers using 5-10 hour of earned supplies and not a "limitless" supply buyer.

 

Separation supply / non supply player would be good for everybody, as this is not sane to have this on going fight in the game chat about the issue , like all the time.

 

"RK lasts a couple seconds." no it regive you life. if you were low it gives you renewed strength, it last as long as your health point goes of again. And if you time it well you can disable a strong shoot during the healing. So it actually give your more HP than your normal Hull health. I would rather use and buy DD than MU (not for M3 obviously) it for efficient.

1) 10 hrs? hardly.  The RKs will deplete much faster than the other supplies. Without RKs the rest does not matter.

     Maybe you are luckier than me and get lots as rewards?

 

2) We agree

 

3) Wiki says 2000 hp / sec for 2 seconds so that would be... "a couple seconds" repairing. then... you need to wait to use it again.

[Dopey 99]

Nice only 10 euros

[Viking4s 10,791]

1) 10 hrs? hardly.  The RKs will deplete much faster than the other supplies. Without RKs the rest does not matter.

     Maybe you are luckier than me and get lots as rewards?

 

2) We agree

 

3) Wiki says 2000 hp / sec for 2 seconds so that would be... "a couple seconds" repairing. then... you need to wait to use it again.

1/ You spend too much focus on the RK. Dying is not a problem, you can respawn to a better place, there is a lot more reason where dying can be useful. If you're on a wining team your death on crystal will increase the found and the final share for the wining team. And yes 10 hours max of smart drugging not mindless drugging. There is a lot of time where drugging is not useful, especially when you play en map with lots of drops.

 

3/ yes you're right, but this is only one part of this supply advantage, first part is the immediate health recovery (restoring your life in 2 seconds benefit/effect), the other part is that you have sort of respawned on spot (you didn't got back to your base) so you don't have to drive again all the way to where you are and you are alive again so this new life benefit linger till you lose all your health and die. Therefore this not a 2 second benefit/effect. Also if you had other supplies activated, they are not wasted.

[Captain.x 511]

 

Ever played Candy Crush? :rolleyes:

lol no but I know the game, they follow similar methods?

 

 

Nice D&F sales I bought 1500 supplies kit and premium account for 38 days :rolleyes:

[AtlantisKell 0]

Imagine a shop with their newest exclusive (lol) collection which they are not selling with $ ,they want to sell them against gold bars.Crazy enough ?

I see what you mean, but even so, they could make an effort :( 

[Viking4s 10,791]

it's true, i've been playing for 4 hours today, but i saw less than 5 golds overral even i played full wasp fire battles.  :mellow: 

 

you have a good point Viking4s, but i legend rank, it's a whole another story, you don't find just 0 to 2 buyers per team, you find way more than that (you can tell by theire VIP paints) and the problem with legend ranks it that you find the russian players that have an infinite numbers of supplies that they have collected since 2010 !!!

 

my advice for you is to enjoy the middle ranks as long as they last, because when you reach legend rank, you will face russians with a rank of Legend 53 and above (i faced one yesterday but i run for my life :D).

 

they have a full M4 garage and full 50% protection against all Turrets and THOUSANDS of supplies, that won't be a fun gaming experience i can tell you that !

Thanks, but I have other plan.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1/ You spend too much focus on the RK. Dying is not a problem, you can respawn to a better place, there is a lot more reason where dying can be useful. If you're on a wining team your death on crystal will increase the found and the final share for the wining team. And yes 10 hours max of smart drugging not mindless drugging. There is a lot of time where drugging is not useful, especially when you play en map with lots of drops.

 

3/ yes you're right, but this is only one part of this supply advantage, first part is the immediate health recovery (restoring your life in 2 seconds benefit/effect), the other part is that you have sort of respawned on spot (you didn't got back to your base) so you don't have to drive again all the way to where you are and you are alive again so this new life benefit linger till you lose all your health and die. Therefore this not a 2 second benefit/effect. Also if you had other supplies activated, they are not wasted.

Your two responses here kind of contradict each other... 1) dont focus on RK 2) RK is great (this actually supports my argument)

 

The thing is dying is the problem.  If you die, you lose all the power-ups enabled, lose time as you respawn and lose out on a kill you might have been about to make, but now someone else will benefit from.

 

Opposite also true - each time you are about to make a kill they use a RK.  If they have a large stash of those it becomes very, very difficult to kill them. I can't trade off RK each time opponent uses. I will have none left quickly.

 

The way supply-mode is played is so much less enjoyable for me.

We're are not going to agree on this

[Viking4s 10,791]

Your two responses here kind of contradict each other... 1) dont focus on RK 2) RK is great (this actually supports my argument)

 

The thing is dying is the problem.  If you die, you lose all the power-ups enabled, lose time as you respawn and lose out on a kill you might have been about to make, but now someone else will benefit from.

 

Opposite also true - each time you are about to make a kill they use a RK.  If they have a large stash of those it becomes very, very difficult to kill them. I can't trade off RK each time opponent uses. I will have none left quickly.

 

The way supply-mode is played is so much less enjoyable for me.

We're are not going to agree on this

It alls depend of the situation. You will always find a situation when dying is the best or using a rk is more advantageous. It,s not all white or all black. We drift from the original subject.

Yes we can compete as free player versus the minority of buyer, of course to a certain extent depending of your skill and equipment/crystal management.

[lukey0 27,543]

lol no but I know the game, they follow similar methods?

"Spend just another dollar and you can keep your progress and continue playing"

 

Think Tanki is money hungry? There are much, much, much worse games out there. 

[Guest]

 

true..its marketing to force to buy. or leave this game...

Actually, no. The matchmaking system, which is one of the biggest projects we'll have done in the 7 year history of this game, is targeted specifically towards non-buyers — players who want to log into the game, click a button and start playing ASAP! So, while we ARE doing things for buyers, because they're the ones whose money is keeping us afloat, we're creating a huge update to non-buyers.

 

 

DBF! Cedric is so busy that he couldn't take the pain to write 'Double Battle Fund' .

 

#Respect

And it never occurred to you that I was forced to use the abbreviation due to space constraints in the headline? Also, you might wanna look at the whole text :)

 

 

Yeah, they keep "dumbing-it-down". Just push a button and play. Great - for 10-year-olds.

 

Some of us like specific maps and games that are not just 15 min long. And maybe team-sizes that don't completely fill a map.

And for you there are PRO Battles. But just because you like to customize every aspect of your battle, doesn't mean we shouldn't cater for those who don't want that. Because believe it or not, there is a VERY large number of players who simply want to click a button and play. You don't see them in the forum because they simply don't have time for something like that. But the fact that they're silent, doesn't mean that they don't exist, or that their time in the game isn't as important as yours.

 

Do not make the mistake of assuming that the people who speak up are the only ones that exist. The number clearly show otherwise.

 

 

Nice, just two things. First off, the gift cards, I think should be made by TO itself so that you won't need to do some funky money dance with garden just to buy stuff from the game shop. And second, I'm still broke. :ph34r:

Unfortunately that's not an option right now. Creating a payment gateway from scratch not only requires considerable development resources, but is also a massive legal headache to set up. You'll find that the vast majority of game dev companies (even the massive ones) will not take on such an undertaking. It's just not worth the hassle.

 

 

Damn. DBF during the weekend before my exams and Shop sales but I don't buy. Tanki hates me. ;(

Tanki hates you, but the Examining Board doesn't? tsk tsk tsk

 

 

2x fund suppose to give 2x gold.But anyone noticed its still 1x gold ?

Nope, gold size remains the same. However, you might wanna consider that the fund is growing twice as fast... soooo... you do the math.

 

 

lol :D

 

It's been under 40K the last 7 days +. But one could say that this is actually exams and revision period until the end of June for a couple of people.
I know a lot of people who actually stop playing because of that.
That would be not wise to play TO instead of spending time on what matters for your future.

Truth is that player numbers always go down during summer. Part of it is, as you say, due to exams. Another part is that the weather is better and people understandably spend more time outdoors. And it's only fair really.

[Hatty1994 819]

Truth is that player numbers always go down during summer. Part of it is, as you say, due to exams. Another part is that the weather is better and people understandably spend more time outdoors. And it's only fair really.

Went for honeymoon during summer right ??

[zainslimshady 474]

Truth is that player numbers always go down during summer. Part of it is, as you say, due to exams. Another part is that the weather is better and people understandably spend more time outdoors. And it's only fair really.

yes i agree but we never hit that low previous summer's :)

anyway event is over i guess you will be locking this topic too.

 

we members had a good discussion just like with every new event/update you brought in this game. and just like always this topic will get locked without devs or staff member answering the simple things. i wonder if you guys even read what we wrote. what community wants? or will you just let this greed take over?

 

and keep defending the useless greedy updates but the fact is you guys are always contradicting yourself. Remove 1000 supply kit from garage to control drugging and with this new mission update+events being organized in non pro battles, shop kits on discount. yeah you guys are promoting drug battles and there are many more examples.

[Guest]

yes i agree but we never hit that low previous summer's :)

anyway event is over i guess you will be locking this topic too.

 

we members had a good discussion just like with every new event/update you brought in this game. and just like always this topic will get locked without devs or staff member answering the simple things. i wonder if you guys even read what we wrote. what community wants? or will you just let this greed take over?

 

and keep defending the useless greedy updates but the fact is you guys are always contradicting yourself. Remove 1000 supply kit from garage to control drugging and with this new mission update+events being organized in non pro battles, shop kits on discount. yeah you guys are promoting drug battles and there are many more examples.

We do listen and pay attention to your feedback, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're going to implement everything you propose. While your complaints might be valid, the solutions you propose, aren't always the best.

 

I'll go again for the analogy Hazel had in the livestream a few months back. If your arm is hurting, you don't go to the doctor and instruct him/her to cut off your arm. You simply state what's ailing you and let the doctor make an informed decision.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

 

And for you there are PRO Battles. But just because you like to customize every aspect of your battle, doesn't mean we shouldn't cater for those who don't want that. Because believe it or not, there is a VERY large number of players who simply want to click a button and play. You don't see them in the forum because they simply don't have time for something like that. But the fact that they're silent, doesn't mean that they don't exist, or that their time in the game isn't as important as yours.

 

Do not make the mistake of assuming that the people who speak up are the only ones that exist. The number clearly show otherwise.

 

And yet - it seems like those who like to customize (at least some parts of their games) are given the shaft.

 

More and more the normal battles with supplies are being pushed, at the expense of those who like Pro-Battles.

many of the changes (the largest one being no missions) are at our expense.

 

And the Special days - DBF - never for Pro-battles.  So don't try to pretend all are being treated equally.

What has Tanki done recently to cater to Pro-battles?

[zainslimshady 474]

Cedric the simple solution to the mission issue with players playing with fire wasp is that simply don't let missions be completed in private battles nor give double funds in private battles? Like is it really hard to implement this?

Edited May 29, 2017 by zainslimshady

[NashEquilibrium 44]

Either limit supply usage in non-pro battles or bring back the zero supply - it helped a bit for non-buyers.

[Gubitnik 401]

gold size remains the same. However, you might wanna consider that the fund is growing twice as fast... soooo... you do the math.

 

so basically adding every crystal to battlefund doesnt always make 1/10000 chance? it makes battle fund added in 1 tick * 1/10000? like when someone caps flag and fund goes up by 120, chance is 1/83(120/10000)?

[Miahak 1,596]

Either limit supply usage in non-pro battles or bring back the zero supply - it helped a bit for non-buyers.

To be honest, smart supplies are enough for that, and I wouldn't say to completely limit the supplies, because then those who loves drug battle, they wouldn't enjoy, you need to be fair to others as well, not just those who doesn't like drug battles. If you don't want to play in drug battle at all, then I suggest you to buy a PRO battle pass, so it will be a lot easier for you. At least there is an option to play without any drugs, and that is PRO battle. Yes, I understand it might be a little hard for you to buy a PRO battle pass but in my opinion it's worth it. You will enjoy the game more and play in your own type of battle ;)

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

To be honest, smart supplies are enough for that, and I wouldn't say to completely limit the supplies, because then those who loves drug battle, they wouldn't enjoy, you need to be fair to others as well, not just those who doesn't like drug battles. If you don't want to play in drug battle at all, then I suggest you to buy a PRO battle pass, so it will be a lot easier for you. At least there is an option to play without any drugs, and that is PRO battle. Yes, I understand it might be a little hard for you to buy a PRO battle pass but in my opinion it's worth it. You will enjoy the game more and play in your own type of battle ;)

You have to take the missions into account, because that's what most free players are playing in non drug battles for.

[D.a.n.t.e 475]

Either limit supply usage in non-pro battles or bring back the zero supply - it helped a bit for non-buyers.

With Zero Supply it was the same, the only difference was that if you were a non-buyers you had your OP moments from time to time, but buyers could also use Zero Supply on top of drugging. It only helped the winning team, if you were on the losing team, you better had to quit.