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vegie_peace_sign-r3049e9dc54ce4732b882cdPeace out

 

Are you a true practicing Vegan? It's more than a diet, it's a lifestyle.

 

Answer a question, please:

 

Being a Vegan, is it okay to wear and use items made from animals and animal by-products as long as you didn't pay for them? For example: given as a gift or bought from a second hand store. Including items such as pearls, nail polish with pearl essence, string instruments, latex, plastic bags, vitamin enriched products, perfumes, shampoos and conditioners, natural paint brushes.

 

Eat products such as: white sugar, red foods, beer and wine, soy cheese, shiney candy, cake mixes, Orange Juice, margarine, Jello and Marshmallows, chips (not to be confused with French Fried potatoes).

 

If someone gives you a leather belt or shoes as a gift, do you accept it or say, "I'm sorry, I cannot accept this. I'm Vegan."

 

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Well I don't really get gifts or anything, but I never refuse it. And yes, I am a vegan through and through, but I am not vegan cuz I feel for animals, I was just brought up this way, and have never really tried non-veg. As I don't really despise non-vegetarians or their food, I can easily accept any animal-derivative porduct.

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A serious question.

How do you tell genetically modified (gm) soya products from real soya products (un gm) once it has entered the food chain, you think it doesn't happen think again

 

Thanks to the great monsanto round up ready gm soya beans in food near you now.

 

I never want to eat gm soya

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Some argue that plants are living too - I assure these people that plucking a mango from a tree does not kill or cause pain to the tree (don't have much knowledge in biology, but I don't think plants have a nervous system to feel pain), The tree will bear fruit again.

Besides, even if we don't pluck fruits from the tree, they tend to fall as they ripen, or if the wind is strong enough.

 

The same is not true for animals. You take a leg away from a chicken, it does hurt and cause pain, and does not grow back again.

Um, your argument here compares the wrong things.

 

A tree that has fruit to be picked is completely different from taking the leg off a chicken. A tree's fruit will grow back again (usually) as it is the method many plants use to reproduce (by producing seed-containing fruits after fertilisation has occurred). In animals, this can be compared to the various types of eggs that we eat (fish eggs, chicken eggs, duck eggs etc) as this is their way of reproducing.

 

Chopping the leg off a chicken can be considered to be the same as cutting an actual part of the plant off, not simply picking its fruit.

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Um, your argument here compares the wrong things.

 

A tree that has fruit to be picked is completely different from taking the leg off a chicken. A tree's fruit will grow back again (usually) as it is the method many plants use to reproduce (by producing seed-containing fruits after fertilisation has occurred). In animals, this can be compared to the various types of eggs that we eat (fish eggs, chicken eggs, duck eggs etc) as this is their way of reproducing.

 

Chopping the leg off a chicken can be considered to be the same as cutting an actual part of the plant off, not simply picking its fruit.

Try the following 2 things, and see which one your soul accepts easier:

 

1. Cut a part of an actual plant

2. Cut a leg of a live chicken

 

God programmed some ethics into us, a natural instinct of whether something is right or wrong.

Every fibre in my body hurts when I see chickens, goats etc. being killed for no fault of theirs.

Maybe you are brought up in a different culture, where you do no think deep about these things, just simply eat what you like.

 

I personally dislike animals a lot. I refuse to go inside my friends house unless he locks his pet dog in a room.

But I do believe that we humans have no right to take away life of another harmless living being.

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Try the following 2 things, and see which one your soul accepts easier:

 

1. Cut a part of an actual plant

2. Cut a leg of a live chicken

Well, I can go cut down the tree outside on the street but I'd probably get arrested for damaging public property.

 

And I don't currently have a live chicken to hand, so I can't really do that either.

 

 

God programmed some ethics into us, a natural instinct of whether something is right or wrong.

Ahhh, but the question is, which God are you talking about here? I don't want to diverge into something religious here (as I'm fairly sure it isn't allowed) but the meaning of your statement depends on what divinity/being you are talking about.

 

 

Every fibre in my body hurts when I see chickens, goats etc. being killed for no fault of theirs.

Oh, I see. And what about when a wild animal kills another innocent wild animal to survive? Would you have a problem with that?

 

 

Maybe you are brought up in a different culture, where you do no think deep about these things, just simply eat what you like.

At least you put the maybe.

 

I'm actually almost completely vegan, simply because I believe there are health benefits from avoiding dairy products/processed meats etc. My grandfather has had a heart attack in the past, but a vegan diet has completely turned his live around. Hence why I'm trying to eat this way.

 

 

But I do believe that we humans have no right to take away life of another harmless living being.

Aye, well each to their own. But having made this statement, I hope your views on the subject of humans taking other defenseless individuals remains exactly the same.

 

In my country alone over 500 are terminated daily, which is shocking. And of course there are other things, such as famines, diseases, natural disasters etc happening all the time - destroying lives.

 

The thing is, I think people who put their heart and soul into pushing for "Animal Rights" are actually neglecting their own kind, considering the vast amount of problems we have as a species.

 

They need to get their priorities straight, no offense meant.

 


 

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I personally dislike animals a lot. I refuse to go inside my friends house unless he locks his pet dog in a room.

But I do believe that we humans have no right to take away life of another harmless living being.

How do you quantify harmless?

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Try the following 2 things, and see which one your soul accepts easier:

 

1. Cut a part of an actual plant

2. Cut a leg of a live chicken

 

Every fibre in my body hurts when I see chickens, goats etc. being killed for no fault of theirs.

Maybe you are brought up in a different culture, where you do no think deep about these things, just simply eat what you like.

Who cuts off a live chicken's leg lol.

I guess every fibre of your body hurts when a lion kills a zebra? Or when my cat catches and brutally kills rabbits without eating them afterwards?

What kind of deep thought is here?

 

Also, here's some food for thought (pun intended):

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130808123719.htm

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How dare you swat that fly!

They are harmful. They cause cholera, diarrhoea, other infectious diseases.

Pests are supposed to be killed. Same goes for snakes and other venomous animals / insects.

 

In case there is a conflict / war between humans and a wild animal, like a lion is in the habit of killing villagers, I am perfectly fine with it being killed, even if it is one of the most endangered species on the earth.

 

How do you quantify harmless?

Those that pose no threat.

 

 

 

Who cuts off a live chicken's leg lol.

I guess every fibre of your body hurts when a lion kills a zebra? Or when my cat catches and brutally kills rabbits without eating them afterwards?

What kind of deep thought is here?

 

Also, here's some food for thought (pun intended):

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130808123719.htm

 

Non-vegetarian restaurant owners have staff who kill them.

Yes. I do not like it when lion kills zebra. But lions are wild animals. Humans ought to be more civilized than them.

I would hold you too partly responsible for the deaths of those rabbits caused by your cat.

 

Here is some food for thought for you:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34541077

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

 

Read closely the section on Free will and destiny.

If you cause pain to other animals, for no fault of theirs, it will return to you in some form of the other, in due course of time.

 

Of course it is up to you if you want to believe in the theory or not.

 

You can laugh it all off, and disregard everything, and continue on your ways - it doesn't affect me at all.

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Those that pose no threat.

Erm, pretty much every animal poses some threat to something else.

 

 

I would hold you too partly responsible for the deaths of those rabbits caused by your cat.

Dead_rabbit.jpg

 

Lol, who said anything about my cat??? xD

 

Admittedly, that was a clean head shot, so the rabbit didn't feel any pain at all.

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They are harmful. They cause cholera, diarrhoea, other infectious diseases.

Pests are supposed to be killed. Same goes for snakes and other venomous animals / insects.

 

In case there is a conflict / war between humans and a wild animal, like a lion is in the habit of killing villagers, I am perfectly fine with it being killed, even if it is one of the most endangered species on the earth.

 

Non-vegetarian restaurant owners have staff who kill them.

Yes. I do not like it when lion kills zebra. But lions are wild animals. Humans ought to be more civilized than them.

I would hold you too partly responsible for the deaths of those rabbits caused by your cat.

 

Here is some food for thought for you:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34541077

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

 

Read closely the section on Free will and destiny.

If you cause pain to other animals, for no fault of theirs, it will return to you in some form of the other, in due course of time.

 

Of course it is up to you if you want to believe in the theory or not.

 

You can laugh it all off, and disregard everything, and continue on your ways - it doesn't affect me at all.

I'm sorry, but you can't bring up karma here and expect people to treat it as a legitimate argument. That's a mix of superstition and personal belief.

 

Anyway by your logic, cows are also harmful because their emissions contribute to global warming, in the same way flies are harmful because they carry diseases. Like personia said, every single animal causes harm in some way, willingly or unwillingly, humans being the most harmful. Any animal can carry diseases. "Those that don't cause harm" is subject to interpretation.

 

You don't like it that a lion kills a zebra. But how else is that lion going to survive? I guess you expect me to somehow control the NATURAL INSTINCT of my cat to hunt.

 

The BBC article mostly concerns the problem of whether cows will to live. Of course they do. Every animal on earth does. Humans do. It is hard-coded in their DNA. But whether they like it or not, every person/animal will eventually die, from natural of unnatural causes. And the BBC article contradicts your very own standpoint, that animals that cause harm deserve to die. Guess what? The "harmful animal" has a will too. Where do you draw the line between an "evil" animal and a "good" animal? By nature, animals are not malicious. Their behavior is determined by their own instinct to survive. When does an animal's "harmful" behavior outweigh the right it has to live based on it's own will? On one hand, you say that animals that pose a threat must die. But in order to survive, every animal must pose a threat to another. 

 

The law of nature says: in order to live, you must pose a threat to something else, because your survival depends on another organism's lack of survival.

You say: in order to live, you must not pose a threat to something else.

 

How does this make sense? Everything deserves to die?

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They are harmful. They cause cholera, diarrhoea, other infectious diseases.

They don't really, they're just the vectors. Just like certain mosquitoes are vectors for malaria (caused by protozoans) and tics are vectors for Lyme disease (caused by bacteria) and so on and so forth. Just saying..;p

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They don't really, they're just the vectors. Just like certain mosquitoes are vectors for malaria (caused by protozoans) and tics are vectors for Lyme disease (caused by bacteria) and so on and so forth. Just saying..;p

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Pests are supposed to be killed. Same goes for snakes and other venomous animals / insects.

So you're now going to kill animals because they have a defense mechanism?

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They don't really, they're just the vectors. Just like certain mosquitoes are vectors for malaria (caused by protozoans) and tics are vectors for Lyme disease (caused by bacteria) and so on and so forth. Just saying..;p

Don't you see his name? ...;p

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And when did you got the permission to use my favourite line (...;p) only if you can pay the fee then you are allowed to use it. You sir just don't know how much it took me to steal it and you use it this easily.  -_-

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