Why Mammoth, Dictator and Hornet are still worth using

[TakeAShower 300]

So, due to a (not so) recent update, Mammoth and Titan, Dictator, Hunter and Viking, and Wasp and Hornet all have the same amount of HP. So, are the fastest hulls within their class OP, are the slowest UP, or are they (somehow) balanced? That is what I am writing about.

 

Light Hulls

So, which is better, Wasp or Hornet? This is the age-old question asked mainly by XP/BP players. Many articles have been written on the subject, and many heated arguments in the chat were started by it. Recently, it has mainly been regarded as "solved". Just saying to somebody who says Hornet is better "but they have the same HP, just Wasp is faster" will shut them up most of the time.

 

First let me point out that Hornet still has it's old weight (1100 at M0 and 2200 at M4). It has also received a buff in speed recently. Now, you are probably still thinking "well yeah, it does have more weight than the Wasp's 1000, but how does that make it balanced? It's still slower." True. However, the Hornet has the highest Power rating of all the light hulls. So? Not like your going to be shoving tanks out the way with a Hornet! Well, it turns out that higher power means higher acceleration. The Hornet takes about half the time to get to top speed. In fact, it will beat a Wasp in a race for the first few metres. Also, the Wasp is higher and thinner than the Hornet, making it easier to flip. A Wasp with DA (Double Armour) can survive a Striker Volley, but will be flipped onto it's side. Railguns can also flip Wasps with a few MUs. Magnums send these tiny things flying. Hornet, on the other hand, is more stable.

 

Medium Hulls

With medium hulls, stability is not so much of a problem. However, a careless Viking can knock into obstacles quite easily when being hit by a high impact force weapon. Like with light hulls, the Weight and Power values are different, with Viking having the worst and the Dictator having the best. Viking is the most unstable but fastest, while Dictator is the slowest but most solid, with the best shape. Hunter is in between. Again their acceleration values depend on where on the scale they are.

 

Heavy Hulls

We all know how annoying heavy hulls are when 10/10 MUed and being used by druggers. Especially with Twins, Shaft and anything else capable of a quick kill. However, it has been a subject of heated debate for some time, like with light hulls, which is better, Mammoth or Titan. Now, most people think Titan is better, and it would be if it wasn't for Weight. Heavy hulls, in my opinion, are all about Weight and HP. Speed is not something you worry about too much. The difference between them in speed is only .5 m/s and that is nothing. I would sacrifice that any day for 200 more weight, 100 more power, and better turret placement and acceleration. I am sure that many would disagree, however Mammoth is not worse than Titan. Do not let anybody call you a noob for using Mammoth over Titan.

 

Conclusion

I hope you all now understand why Tanki gave hulls within their class the same HP. It will always be true that some will like Hornet more than Wasp. Some will prefer Hunter to Dictator. There are no "noob hulls". All have their pros and cons. Until next time...

Edited September 19, 2017 by Blackdrakon30

[Blackdrakon30 2,943]

- Fixed some really minor typos

- Slightly altered formatting

 

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Great article! I was impressed by the quality of the spelling/grammar (better than most), and it was interesting reading about your thoughts on the topic. I really agree about Mammoth, being someone who uses it myself, since when you're using a heavy hull you often don't need the mobility anyways. I've always been a Viking person myself though (not because of its statistics) rather than Dictator; I dig the low profile in tandem with Shaft.  Anyways, well done.

 

Now the thing that's really unbalanced, that'd be Magnum.

Edited September 19, 2017 by Blackdrakon30

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

i think wasp has higher acceleration than hornet... i mean even my M1 wasp has higher acceleration than my m2 hornet... The only thing hornet has is stability. but stability is for noobs who can't control impact and recoil. master your own balance and you'll be able to take advantage of the instability  to shoot at higher/lower angles, dodge shaft shots with cat like agility etc.. wasp has a high enough turning speed to not get hit at angles which would make you get flipped.


EDIT: I just checked, wasp does have higher acceleration than hornet. It has lower anti inertia turning reverse acceleration and higher lateral acceleration. so unless you run in a straight line over a long distance, which rarely happens, wasp would accelerate faster for the most part(there could be a short time span where hornet accelerates slightly more but from start to end wasp would always be moving at a higher speed). and because reverse acceleration is lower, hornet probably wouldnt beat wasp in the first few meteres. power isn't always directly proportionate to acceleration. you have to take weight into account. mammoth has higher power than wasp but it doesn't accelerate quicker, does it? higher power means higher acceleration only if both are of equal weight.

Edited September 19, 2017 by GuidoFawkes

[TakeAShower 300]

i think wasp has higher acceleration than hornet... i mean even my M1 wasp has higher acceleration than my m2 hornet... The only thing hornet has is stability. but stability is for noobs who can't control impact and recoil. master your own balance and you'll be able to take advantage of the instability  to shoot at higher/lower angles, dodge shaft shots with cat like agility etc.. wasp has a high enough turning speed to not get hit at angles which would make you get flipped.

 

 

EDIT: I just checked, wasp does have higher acceleration than hornet. It has lower anti inertia turning reverse acceleration and higher lateral acceleration. so unless you run in a straight line over a long distance, which rarely happens, wasp would accelerate faster for the most part(there could be a short time span where hornet accelerates slightly more but from start to end wasp would always be moving at a higher speed). and because reverse acceleration is lower, hornet probably wouldnt beat wasp in the first few meteres. power isn't always directly proportionate to acceleration. you have to take weight into account. mammoth has higher power than wasp but it doesn't accelerate quicker, does it? higher power means higher acceleration only if both are of equal weight.

Yes it does depend slightly on wieght. However, I calculated that Hornet does indeed have higher acceleration as the difference in weight is only 100 which is barely noticeable.

Edited September 19, 2017 by TakeAShower

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Yes it does depend slightly on wieght. However, I calculated that Hornet does indeed have higher acceleration as the difference in weight is only 100 which is barely noticeable.

and the difference in power is 200. F=ma, to get acceleration you divide power over mass. so wasp still has higher acceleration. 0.01-0.02 ms² more if you compare the m4s. and that's if they both run in stratght lines. if the route curls then wasp would accelerate even faster because of lower momentum(which is mass x acceleration) which gets converted to inertia when they turn, lower reverse acceleration and higher lateral acceleration.

 

i dunno if this game takes friction into account tho.

Edited September 19, 2017 by GuidoFawkes

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Hornet is more stable. Wasp is like a fishing boat during a hurricane. Hornet also looks way better.

[I-Hate-Druggers 192]

Hornet is more stable. Wasp is like a fishing boat during a hurricane. Hornet also looks way better.

Indeed but hornet is a bigger target and isn't as fast and the stability doesn't make up for it.

[Stratosphere 2,234]

A nice short guide for beginners... keep up the good work. :)

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Indeed but hornet is a bigger target and isn't as fast and the stability doesn't make up for it.

Being a bigger target barely matters in TO . . . and it's not like Wasp is that much faster.

[Pyre 3,485]

Nice! ;)

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Being a bigger target barely matters in TO . . . and it's not like Wasp is that much faster.

it does a lot when a shaft tries to kill you. because of wasp's shape it is vey difficukt to shoot a wasp fron the front due to that large gap inbetween it's tracks.

[I-Hate-Druggers 192]

Being a bigger target barely matters in TO . . . and it's not like Wasp is that much faster.

Well, it does actually. And wasp is noticeably faster. More noticeable than viking and hunter. Anyway, I want to say that size does matter because it is harder to hit a hunter than a viking or a dictator.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Well, it does actually. And wasp is noticeably faster. More noticeable than viking and hunter. Anyway, I want to say that size does matter because it is harder to hit a hunter than a viking or a dictator.

It is definitely harder to hit a Dictator than a Viking, but it makes almost no difference when comparing Hornet and Wasp.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

It is definitely harder to hit a Dictator than a Viking, but it makes almost no difference when comparing Hornet and Wasp.

with shaft it does a lot. especially from the front. shaft doesnt have automatic vertical aiming you see

[Crip 4,735]

Why aren't they worth using?

 

Hornet is miles better than Wasp due to better acceleration/stability etc.

Mammoth makes you Godmode_On.

Dictator catches golds.

[zaintahir 458]

Great Article.

I think titan is also better because its way better for stg's as if you lag into the gold its harder for people to get it because titan is higher.

I personally prefer hornet over wasp because I've been using hornet since the start and I am accustomed to it's drift.

Dictator is good for golds. And it's a good option for a middle class I guess you can say.

I always preferred Titan over Mammoth. I just purchased Titan M3.

[shafter9 156]

"So? Not like your going to be shoving tanks out the way with a Hornet!"

*You're

I love Dictator, but Viking is to common and to OP. I want Viking nerfed...

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

I want Viking nerfed...

In which aspect?

[Truthteller 4,204]

Hornet is better than Wasp, better acceleration and stability > Faster top speed and height.

 

Dictator has the best height power acceleration of all the hulls, and has much better weight than any medium hull.

 

Mammoth has better turret placement, acceleration and pushing power than titan.

 

All three of these hulls got great overdrives too.

[logineric 6]

Well I am the type of person who follows "Hunter Supremacy"...so yeah I prefer hunter. While it does not have as much power as dictator, it has a bigger power to weight ratio and is much smaller so it is easier to fit into places.

[TakeAShower 300]

Great Article.

I think titan is also better because its way better for stg's as if you lag into the gold its harder for people to get it because titan is higher.

I personally prefer hornet over wasp because I've been using hornet since the start and I am accustomed to it's drift.

Dictator is good for golds. And it's a good option for a middle class I guess you can say.

I always preferred Titan over Mammoth. I just purchased Titan M3.

Titan is probably better for STGs, you are right. I would currently choose Wasp over Hornet or Mammoth over Titan any day. However, I think that Overdrives will give Titan and Hornet their sagnificance again, because if they have the same HP, you will want the more extreme one (the lightest or the heaviest, or something in between such as Viking or Hunter). Overdrives will reduce this by giving people a reason to use Hornet over Wasp, or Titan over Mammoth.

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Hornet is better than Wasp, better acceleration and stability > Faster top speed and height.

 

Dictator has the best height power acceleration of all the hulls, and has much better weight than any medium hull.

 

Mammoth has better turret placement, acceleration and pushing power than titan.

 

All three of these hulls got great overdrives too.

Dicos and Mammoths ODs are great but I feel that as typically a flag runner the ability to see through walls would be better for a medium hull like Hunter and the supplies deactivation better for Hornet

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

 

 

Now the thing that's really unbalanced, that'd be Magnum.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Ok, so I am always saying how much better Viking is than Hunter even though I don't actually have Hunter. Sometimes I think I am biased.

Yesterday I tried Hunter M2 out on test server.

 

 

It was even worse than I thought it would be! Soooo slow!

I simply cannot recommend it to players considering an M2 hull when Viking exists in the game.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2017 by ThirdOnion

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

sorry but... hornet doesn't have better acceleration than wasp, i took this from the wiki