A thought of why majority of players are unskilled

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Not sure what this means... that's a username?  One player in 30,000 is your basis of proof?

Your sample-size needs to be a wee bit larger.

 

Just take a look at the DMs in Halloween map. Ricco, Twins and even Magnum (in a DM!!) outnumbered smoky 2-to-1 easily.

 

I parked my smoky in the garage (except for a few Smoky-Titan outings on Bridges).

I'll buy the alteration (on sale) as a lark, just to mess with people on maps where driving is crucial.

yes, the guy that posted a few posts above mine in this topic.

 

maybe 90% of the 30000 players are drugers, so if you just count the non drugers that smash and don't get smashed a lot of them use smoky.

 

and anyway if it's 30000 players, as stated in the title of this topis majority of them are unskilled. so even if they have smoky they don't even know how to use it. the problem lies with them, not the rugs or the turret

Edited October 30, 2017 by GuidoFawkes

[LittleWillie 3,199]

krokmou is the living proof that smoky doesn't need drugs to smash everyone

Well that is obviously a good player but this does not prove what you think it does. It does prove one player determined to play w/o drugs can do so. It does not prove that smoky negates drugging/

 

Does he play in pro no dug battles? I cannot tell.

 

How much better well would he do with drugs? 

 

How would he do with a different turret? Maybe even better than with Smoky.

 

 His rating is good  for his rank though.

 

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I have played quite a bit in no-drug mode. When I started I tried to avoid drugging.  Only after the triple missions did I start using htem like a "drugger".

 

Awhile back (before OD) I just decided to go a week without using drugs. Sure it can be done. But you have to pick you moment, stay under cover, whittle down your foes, choose your moments much more carefully.  It is very true that players get sloppy on full drugs many players let the drugs play for them.

 

The notion that one turret can overcome a 4x multiplied (DA/DD) plus healing plus speed is simply not sustainable over the long-term.  If playing no drugs is what a player finds fun that is great. But that same player would do better using his full range of assets.

 

I noe have almost 2,000 RK and 5,000+ of all other supplies, all from missions.  Why is not using these assets smart game play?

Edited October 30, 2017 by LittleWillie

[Krokmou_Vol_Draka 17]

Well that is obviously a good player but this does not prove what you think it does. It does prove one player determined to play w/o drugs can do so. It does not prove that smoky negates drugging/

 

Does he play in pro no dug battles? I cannot tell.

 

How much better well would he do with drugs? 

 

How would he do with a different turret? Maybe even better than with Smoky.

 

 His rating is good  for his rank though.

I believe I already answered that first question though. I play both no-drug battle and regular battle equally.

 

How would I do with drugs? Maybe far better, but I need no pay-2-win content. This is just a personal hate for drugs.

 

How would I do with other turrets? I have tried all of them except Striker. Turns out the only one I really like is Smoky.

 

Why, thank you :D

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Well that is obviously a good player but this does not prove what you think it does. It does prove one player determined to play w/o drugs can do so. It does not prove that smoky negates drugging/

 

Does he play in pro no dug battles? I cannot tell.

 

How much better well would he do with drugs? 

 

How would he do with a different turret? Maybe even better than with Smoky.

 

 His rating is good  for his rank though.

 

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I have played quite a bit in no-drug mode. When I started I tried to avoid drugging.  Only after the triple missions did I start using htem like a "drugger".

 

Awhile back (before OD) I just decided to go a week without using drugs. Sure it can be done. But you have to pick you moment, stay under cover, whittle down your foes, choose your moments much more carefully.  It is very true that players get sloppy on full drugs many players let the drugs play for them.

 

The notion that one turret can overcome a 4x multiplied (DA/DD) plus healing plus speed is simply not sustainable over the long-term.  If playing no drugs is what a player finds fun that is great. But that same player would do better using his full range of assets.

 

I noe have almost 2,000 RK and 5,000+ of all other supplies, all from missions.  Why is not using these assets smart game play?

i know he can do better with drugs, that's why i said my friend who uses the same combo has 4x the k/d ratio and 3 times the exp to hour ratio because my friend drugs a lot. i meant that drugs definately increase your performance, but you don't need them.

 

I was also just saying what i observed, certain turrets don't need drugs to combat druggers. because drugs don't affect impact and range, so if you take advantage of these aspects and use them to maximum advantage you can easily defeat druggers.

 

for me, i use shaft to fight full druggers without drugs. shaft and smoky are the most common turrets we non druggers use in our battle against druggers while hammer isn't so common among us because it's only for our most highly skilled.

 

 

 

I believe I already answered that first question though. I play both no-drug battle and regular battle equally.

 

How would I do with drugs? Maybe far better, but I need no pay-2-win content. This is just a personal hate for drugs.

 

How would I do with other turrets? I have tried all of them except Striker. Turns out the only one I really like is Smoky.

 

Why, thank you :D

[wolverine848 13,097]

yes, the guy that posted a few posts above mine in this topic.

 

maybe 90% of the 30000 players are drugers, so if you just count the non drugers that smash and don't get smashed a lot of them use smoky.

 

and anyway if it's 30000 players, as stated in the title of this topis majority of them are unskilled. so even if they have smoky they don't even know how to use it. the problem lies with them, not the rugs or the turret

No one said it's impossible to do well without supplies. But overcoming that handi-cap is the exception, not the norm.

 

Of course you can play without supplies - but - in team battles you need to think about team overall.

 

I believe I already answered that first question though. I play both no-drug battle and regular battle equally.

 

How would I do with drugs? Maybe far better, but I need no pay-2-win content. This is just a personal hate for drugs.

 

How would I do with other turrets? I have tried all of them except Striker. Turns out the only one I really like is Smoky.

 

Why, thank you :D

I also prefer no supplies - I find the battles involve more strategy/tactics.

However, if I play normal battles for missions then I definitely use supplies because there's no point in denying my team best advantage I can give.

 

Was gonna say nothing wrong with not using supplies in DM battles because the only one you are handi-capping is yourself.  But you mention you don't play DM so that is a moot point.

[r_arstrike0 6]

 

Edited November 1, 2017 by Hate
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[Benefactor 6,888]

  I am the perfect example of how untrue that is.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

No one said it's impossible to do well without supplies.

i was talking about this guy :) he was implying it, wasn't he?

in these days of triple rewards, all turrets, including smoky are useless without drugs.

if your enemy has dd+da+mine+rk+sb+any turret, and you don't use supplies, no amount of impact force will save you.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I find that a lot of the players who come across as "unskilled" in battles are suffering from intense lag.

To be sure, at WO4 there are a lot of genuinely unskilled players.  But it's actually quite hard to make it to a high rank such as General without picking up the general strategy and tactics of the game.

I've experienced this myself.  On a smooth computer/ good day, I can maintain at least a 2 k/d and a nice top spot in a battle full of druggers.  When the lag is really acting up, I find myself bumping into walls, missing shots, and generally underperforming against weaker opponents.  I struggle to keep a K/d/ of over 1 and stay in first place, even against non-druggers.    

And I know what many of them are thinking: "Yeah, there's that hornet-freeze dying again.  He's got a little skill, but he's not as good as me."  *mental pat on back for skill as well as benevolent display of pity*

 

So next time you see this struggling player who keeps missing his shots, give him a little benefit of the doubt before you start calling him out in the chat.  :)   

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I find that a lot of the players who come across as "unskilled" in battles are suffering from intense lag.

To be sure, at WO4 there are a lot of genuinely unskilled players.  But it's actually quite hard to make it to a high rank such as General without picking up the general strategy and tactics of the game.

I've experienced this myself.  On a smooth computer/ good day, I can maintain at least a 2 k/d and a nice top spot in a battle full of druggers.  When the lag is really acting up, I find myself bumping into walls, missing shots, and generally underperforming against weaker opponents.  I struggle to keep a K/d/ of over 1 and stay in first place, even against non-druggers.    

And I know what many of them are thinking: "Yeah, there's that hornet-freeze dying again.  He's got a little skill, but he's not as good as me."  *mental pat on back for skill as well as benevolent display of pity*

 

So next time you see this struggling player who keeps missing his shots, give him a little benefit of the doubt before you start calling him out in the chat.  :)   

we know how to tell when someone does something because he's lagging and when it's because he's just downright noob. In fact, skilled players can even take advantage of lags. On the ES servers I'm not sorry to say i have mastered lagging and running at people and making them go up me, i make them move in the correct way to trigger their anti cheat and make them self destruct. of course i only do this to hackers because there are a lot of brazillian hackers over there.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

we know how to tell when someone does something because he's lagging and when it's because he's just downright noob. In fact, skilled players can even take advantage of lags. On the ES servers I'm not sorry to say i have mastered lagging and running at people and making them go up me, i make them move in the correct way to trigger their anti cheat and make them self destruct. of course i only do this to hackers because there are a lot of brazillian hackers over there.

Who exactly is "we"?  I've been on the receiving end of complaints and boasts myself, so while you claim to be able to tell the difference, there are many out there who can't.    

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Who exactly is "we"?  I've been on the receiving end of complaints and boasts myself, so while you claim to be able to tell the difference, there are many out there who can't.    

fine, just me

[wolverine848 13,097]

i was talking about this guy :) he was implying it, wasn't he?

A bit of hyperbole from Ancient yes. 

 

And sure - at lower ranks a lot of people have not mastered all the keys. Took me a while to turn my turret (in a useful way).

 

But you don't think it will take longer to destroy an enemy that has Protection module and is then doubling up armor again with supplies?

Add RK on to that for basically another double?

If it takes you longer to kill that flag runner and you could destroy in one shot instead of 2, does that not hurt your team?

[T-34-3m 360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mind if I post this elsewhere without context? I'll credit you for it, of course.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Hate
Spoiler added.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

A bit of hyperbole from Ancient yes. 

 

And sure - at lower ranks a lot of people have not mastered all the keys. Took me a while to turn my turret (in a useful way).

 

But you don't think it will take longer to destroy an enemy that has Protection module and is then doubling up armor again with supplies?

Add RK on to that for basically another double?

If it takes you longer to kill that flag runner and you could destroy in one shot instead of 2, does that not hurt your team?

yes, not druging does hurt my team. I'm not being the best i possibly can for them. does not buying hurt your team? i mean you could spend a couple hundred euros and get a few full m4 combos and every protection module so you'd be able to use the most appropirate one for each battle. you could even announce that you'd drop a gold for each flag you capture and really do it. you'd be the best teammate ever.

Edited October 30, 2017 by GuidoFawkes

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

yes, not druging does hurt my team. I'm not being the best i possibly can for them. does not buying hurt your team? i mean you could spend a couple hundred euros and get a few full m4 combos and every protection module so you'd be able to use the most appropirate one for each battle. you could even announce that you'd drop a gold for each flag you capture and really do it. you'd be the best teammate ever.

drugs are completely different to spending real money.

Drugs can be bought with ingame currency; currency that can be earned by playing the game. 

Better still, weekly mission reward chains give me hundreds more drugs than I use per week, allowing me to have a stockpile of over 4000 drugs so that i can 2,3,4,5 whenever I want to, without spending a single penny.

 

Now, if youre not taking advantage of this completely free feature that is in the game for players to use, like it or not, are you not hurting your team?

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

drugs are completely different to spending real money.

Drugs can be bought with ingame currency; currency that can be earned by playing the game. 

Better still, weekly mission reward chains give me hundreds more drugs than I use per week, allowing me to have a stockpile of over 4000 drugs so that i can 2,3,4,5 whenever I want to, without spending a single penny.

 

Now, if youre not taking advantage of this completely free feature that is in the game for players to use, like it or not, are you not hurting your team?

yes, i am hurting my team. that's how much i hate drugs.

then again, had i not joined the team most likely some noob would have taken the place and hurt the team even more.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I believe I already answered that first question though. I play both no-drug battle and regular battle equally.

 

How would I do with drugs? Maybe far better, but I need no pay-2-win content. This is just a personal hate for drugs.

 

How would I do with other turrets? I have tried all of them except Striker. Turns out the only one I really like is Smoky.

 

Why, thank you :D

I replied to a post referencing your post so as often happens in these threads information posted earlier is ,missed.  If you have less fun using supplies then non using supplies is what you should do.  But using drugs is not that same thing as pat to win. As I mentioned I have thousands of supplies and they are all from doing missions. As for Stiker I had a k/d of about 2.2 with that account at the 150,000 exp point mark. And I had not used any drugs up to that point. So I do not think Smoky is the key element here. The key element is your desired to do well w/o using supplies.

 

I too like Smoky best FWIW. :)  

 

i know he can do better with drugs, that's why i said my friend who uses the same combo has 4x the k/d ratio and 3 times the exp to hour ratio because my friend drugs a lot. i meant that drugs definately increase your performance, but you don't need them.

 

I was also just saying what i observed, certain turrets don't need drugs to combat druggers. because drugs don't affect impact and range, so if you take advantage of these aspects and use them to maximum advantage you can easily defeat druggers.

 

for me, i use shaft to fight full druggers without drugs. shaft and smoky are the most common turrets we non druggers use in our battle against druggers while hammer isn't so common among us because it's only for our most highly skilled.

 

 

 

You make valid points but you go an adjective too far. "Easily" defeat drugers?  No. You have to game-plan to defeat someone with 4 rimes your firepower and repair ability.  And you better hope the drugger is one of the players who inspired this topic question. Fortunately they are not in short supply.

 

I find that a lot of the players who come across as "unskilled" in battles are suffering from intense lag.

To be sure, at WO4 there are a lot of genuinely unskilled players.  But it's actually quite hard to make it to a high rank such as General without picking up the general strategy and tactics of the game.

I've experienced this myself.  On a smooth computer/ good day, I can maintain at least a 2 k/d and a nice top spot in a battle full of druggers.  When the lag is really acting up, I find myself bumping into walls, missing shots, and generally underperforming against weaker opponents.  I struggle to keep a K/d/ of over 1 and stay in first place, even against non-druggers.    

And I know what many of them are thinking: "Yeah, there's that hornet-freeze dying again.  He's got a little skill, but he's not as good as me."  *mental pat on back for skill as well as benevolent display of pity*

 

So next time you see this struggling player who keeps missing his shots, give him a little benefit of the doubt before you start calling him out in the chat.  :)   

The only thing I call out players on is, "Use the so-and-so Overdrives!".  Only once did I address it to a specific tank. "You, brown Thunder, use the OD".  I cannot fathom why players do not use them, even when flag/CP captures are at stake.

[Krokmou_Vol_Draka 17]

Is not knowing how to rotate your turret can be counted as "unskilled"? Because as far as I can see, half the players of my rank don't seem to know this feature yet. I don't get it.

[I-Hate-Druggers 192]

Yes

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Is not knowing how to rotate your turret can be counted as "unskilled"? Because as far as I can see, half the players of my rank don't seem to know this feature yet. I don't get it.

Again, perhaps they have an issue with the sticky keys where they can't hold down more than a few keys at the same time.

Or maybe they're trying to eat at the same time.  (Admittedly selfish, but doesn't equal unskilled.)

 

Give them the benefit of the doubt, because you'd like them to offer you the same chance.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Again, perhaps they have an issue with the sticky keys where they can't hold down more than a few keys at the same time.

Or maybe they're trying to eat at the same time.  (Admittedly selfish, but doesn't equal unskilled.)

 

Give them the benefit of the doubt, because you'd like them to offer you the same chance.

A Rico user told me once that the rotation is so slow, many Rico players don't feel the need.  OTOH I fight Rico players who can turn the turret and I fight Rico players who think they are driving a Swedish "S-Tank:" who do not.  The guys who can rotate that turret can still shoot me when I scoot to their side and start impacting their front end. The S-Tanks cannot.

 

But probably the biggest skill hit non-rotation costs you is in battlefield awareness.  I cannot abide a slow turret because I am always spinning my view.  Like they say in football.... keep your head on a swivel. Tunnel vision kills.

[I-Hate-Druggers 192]

Again, perhaps they have an issue with the sticky keys where they can't hold down more than a few keys at the same time.

Or maybe they're trying to eat at the same time.  (Admittedly selfish, but doesn't equal unskilled.)

 

Give them the benefit of the doubt, because you'd like them to offer you the same chance.

 

You are a very extreme pro-tanker. Things you are saying are true but at this point your coating the truth with bricks. Defending till the wnd. You won’t asmit the noobs.

[Krokmou_Vol_Draka 17]

A Rico user told me once that the rotation is so slow, many Rico players don't feel the need.  OTOH I fight Rico players who can turn the turret and I fight Rico players who think they are driving a Swedish "S-Tank:" who do not.  The guys who can rotate that turret can still shoot me when I scoot to their side and start impacting their front end. The S-Tanks cannot.

 

But probably the biggest skill hit non-rotation costs you is in battlefield awareness.  I cannot abide a slow turret because I am always spinning my view.  Like they say in football.... keep your head on a swivel. Tunnel vision kills.

Rotation too slow? Don't they know they can turn their tank and rotate their turret to look and shoot around way faster? I mean, that's what I do. I thought everyone knew about that. :mellow:

[Benefactor 6,888]

we know how to tell when someone does something because he's lagging and when it's because he's just downright noob. In fact, skilled players can even take advantage of lags. On the ES servers I'm not sorry to say i have mastered lagging and running at people and making them go up me, i make them move in the correct way to trigger their anti cheat and make them self destruct. of course i only do this to hackers because there are a lot of brazillian hackers over there.

How many is a brazilian? That's a lot of hackers.