Completed Magnum and why it should be nerfed

[r_trooll15 827]

it hits you and you don't notice

[NatchGa 665]

Evidence provided to buff Magnum is that it has rendered obsolete only 70% of all hulls and only two turrets needed be named specifically. Well I am sold now.

yikes, your at that rank where everyone is buying m3 kits and your still stuck with m2's, harsh. no wonder your complaining about magnum, your m2 viking doesnt stand a chance against all the m3 magnums your playing against.

 

but dont worry, by the time you reach marshal and buy m3 equipment, everyone else will have fully micro-upgraded m3's... oh wait, i guess you should worry

[NatchGa 665]

Plot twist, he has M2 Smoky Viking fully upgraded.

either way people at his rank still have access to m3 kits, which means they could even be potentially m4

[LittleWillie 3,199]

yikes, your at that rank where everyone is buying m3 kits and your still stuck with m2's, harsh. no wonder your complaining about magnum, your m2 viking doesnt stand a chance against all the m3 magnums your playing against.

 

but dont worry, by the time you reach marshal and buy m3 equipment, everyone else will have fully micro-upgraded m3's... oh wait, i guess you should worry

Thank you for the bad advice from 2016.

 

I played with Commanders two ranks ago so I figure I can still play against them now. BTW I have nothing to buy but more MUs. Everything m3 is already paid for.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Which also means that he has access to M3 kits as well.

I hit this rank about 3 weeks ago or so. There's no way for me t MU a kit to m4 unless i was dropping hundreds of dollars on this game. For MU speedups alone.

 

The guy is right about one thing. MajGen and Gen are the two ranks where my procedure loses a little ground to the kits. I cannot mu hul and turret above m3 during those two ranks.

 

OTOH I will be MUing 4 modules (also the mine module) above m3 during those two ranks. Then at Marshal I start to MU hull and turret and the last 2 modules. I should also be in position w/Cry to buy a m3 Titan off the showroom floor.

 

I'll be OK I reckon.

[raveen14 43]

Magnum One Shoted my M4 Titan on Double Damage on many ocasions.

 

This is not right, something is wrong with that Turrret, no Turret should one shot an M4 Titan, not even Magnum.

its maybe buc his magnum is also m4 buc if i shot m3 magnum on m3 titan it get destroy but not on m4 i need to hit him twice so he must have m4 magnum to shot you one

but magnum doesn,t  really ruin the battel now ppl don,t use magnum as it was using when it was release ppl now onlie use twins whit alt that should nerf too

[NatchGa 665]

I played with Commanders two ranks ago so I figure I can still play against them now. BTW I have nothing to buy but more MUs. Everything m3 is already paid for.

again, you might be getting everything m3 for free once you reach marshal, but your still already playing against people who have m3 possible m4 equipment through kits. obviously you havn't saved for any m3 kits, so your always going to be a step behind everyone else.

 

Which also means that he has access to M3 kits as well.

but did he buy any? nope. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

again, you might be getting everything m3 for free once you reach marshal, but your still already playing against people who have m3 possible m4 equipment through kits. obviously you havn't saved for any m3 kits, so your always going to be a step behind everyone else.

 

but did he buy any? nope. 

Well the M2 10/10 = M3.  Those who bought kits can start MU-ing, but really how quickly you think they can MU to make the difference you think they have?

 

M3 vs M4 ~ 13%.  So those who bought kits might reach to a 5-7% advantage within a reasonable time.  After that they are waiting for MU sales which don't happen every week.  They saved for a kit which just put them in the poor-house.

 

At his rank he also might be fighting enemies with stock M2. That difference can be >> 13%.  It balances out, especially if he picks his battles carefully.  You think he's jumping into Gizmo-Legend battles all the time?

[NatchGa 665]

Well the M2 10/10 = M3.  Those who bought kits can start MU-ing, but really how quickly you think they can MU to make the difference you think they have?

 

M3 vs M4 ~ 13%.  So those who bought kits might reach to a 5-7% advantage within a reasonable time.  After that they are waiting for MU sales which don't happen every week.  They saved for a kit which just put them in the poor-house.

 

At his rank he also might be fighting enemies with stock M2. That difference can be >> 13%.  It balances out, especially if he picks his battles carefully.  You think he's jumping into Gizmo-Legend battles all the time?

first off the difference between two modifications is usually around 25% which is significant. in both hulls and turrets the difference between m0-m4 doubles. which means each modification increases by around 25%. plus you add micro upgrades to those and you get around 30-35% difference. and if they are fully micro upgraded m3's then its a 50% difference compared to m2 equipment... which is huge.

 

buying an m3 kit does not put you in the "poorhouse", yes, you might be a bit short on crystals from making such a large purchase, but having a modification above everyone else will quickly help you recover those crystals plus plenty more. 

 

lol he doesnt need to jump into legend battles to play with m4's anymore thanks to kits 

[wolverine848 13,097]

first off the difference between two modifications is usually around 25% which is significant. in both hulls and turrets the difference between m0-m4 doubles. which means each modification increases by around 25%. plus you add micro upgrades to those and you get around 30-35% difference. and if they are fully micro upgraded m3's then its a 50% difference compared to m2 equipment... which is huge.

 

buying an m3 kit does not put you in the "poorhouse", yes, you might be a bit short on crystals from making such a large purchase, but having a modification above everyone else will quickly help you recover those crystals plus plenty more. 

 

lol he doesnt need to jump into legend battles to play with m4's anymore thanks to kits 

You might want to take a look at the WIKI again.  Calculate diff between M3 & M4 - it's not as great as you remember.

(Maybe you forgot during re-balance Devs upped the stats of stock M3 so they closed the gap on M4).

Exceptions to my statement are Rail (min dmg at 18%), Twins at 19% and Striker (LOL) at 19%. The rest are 13% or 14%.

 

And yes, anyone (not a buyer) becomes poor after buying a Kit because they are also buying a Module and a useless paint.  No sales or personal discounts on kits anymore.  And these people buying the kit = m3 do not have a modification above M2-10/10. It's the same thing.

 

You don't get an M4 until well after you've bought the kit unless you only buy one M3 pair. It costs way to much to MU to M4 without sales and takes very long if you wait for sales.  If you concentrate on upgrading this one M3+ pair you have very little flexibility, and a good module will more than nullify those 6-10 MUs.

[NatchGa 665]

You might want to take a look at the WIKI again.  Calculate diff between M3 & M4 - it's not as great as you remember.

(Maybe you forgot during re-balance Devs upped the stats of stock M3 so they closed the gap on M4).

Exceptions to my statement are Rail (min dmg at 18%), Twins at 19% and Striker (LOL) at 19%. The rest are 13% or 14%.

 

And yes, anyone (not a buyer) becomes poor after buying a Kit because they are also buying a Module and a useless paint.  No sales or personal discounts on kits anymore.  And these people buying the kit = m3 do not have a modification above M2-10/10. It's the same thing.

 

You don't get an M4 until well after you've bought the kit unless you only buy one M3 pair. It costs way to much to MU to M4 without sales and takes very long if you wait for sales.  If you concentrate on upgrading this one M3+ pair you have very little flexibility, and a good module will more than nullify those 6-10 MUs.

look i really dont understand why this is so hard for you to get, an advantage is an advantage even if its just 13-14% thats kinda the whole point...

 

having an m3 over a 10/10 m2 is still way better, pro-battles with micro upgrades disabled for example, now your upgrades are useless. being able to keep upgrading at m3 whereas your stuck with a basically only m3 turret... 

 

having an m3 over an m2 is BETTER. doesnt matter if your m2 is fully micro upgraded you still have to wait until marshal before its technically m3. im literally not even sure what your trying to prove at this point????? 

 

and stop bringing up cost like its such a disability, you dont have to be a buyer to get an m3 kit at the lowest rank possible to get it, i have alts that i havnt spent a dime on and do/will have m3's by the time they reach that rank. yes, maybe you might only be able to use one combination to do so, but if you use sales to your advantage, and take advantage of mission chains (which have been 3 times more rewarding than normal) than you should be able to do so with no problem. and if thats to hard for you, than im sorry, but your just gonna have to GIT GUD

[LittleWillie 3,199]

again, you might be getting everything m3 for free once you reach marshal, but your still already playing against people who have m3 possible m4 equipment through kits. obviously you havn't saved for any m3 kits, so your always going to be a step behind everyone else.

 

but did he buy any? nope. 

 

No I will be 5 or 7 percent down to the same people i have been 5 ot 7 percent behind since Brigadier. I have played hundreds of actual battles in the game, not in theory. My equipment is, at worst, a little less-boosted than some tanks, equal to or better than most. I am alrdeay about 1/8th of my way through this two rank period. I  am fully competitive in battle. Thinsg will get only better inb one more rank as I will have 4 m3+ modules working for me too,

 

Now the day I hit Marshal I will have probably 250k or more just sitting there ready to pour into 4 MU projects. Withing a week I will have MUed all my m3 gear to 1/4th through the ladder. The rest would take place slowly during sales.

 

 

Well the M2 10/10 = M3.  Those who bought kits can start MU-ing, but really how quickly you think they can MU to make the difference you think they have?

 

M3 vs M4 ~ 13%.  So those who bought kits might reach to a 5-7% advantage within a reasonable time.  After that they are waiting for MU sales which don't happen every week.  They saved for a kit which just put them in the poor-house.

 

At his rank he also might be fighting enemies with stock M2. That difference can be >> 13%.  It balances out, especially if he picks his battles carefully.  You think he's jumping into Gizmo-Legend battles all the time?

You are of course totally correct. There is a some advantage between m3 and m4, but the MU system means people my rank are not at m4. A few MU levels some have above me are not night and day.

 

I do use the "V" key from time to time and protection levels are obvious. I've run into a couple modules in the 40s but most are lower than my 32-35 percenters. And I do have one 3x and the mine module at 40% myself.

 

But there is no teaching some old dogs new tricks. In particular math tricks.

 

===PS: EDIT===

 

I just did some back of the envelope estimates. Bottom line: Between now and ranking to Marshal I need to generate about 650k Crystals. Between cash on hand and two promotion bonuses I have about 190k already.That will give me hull, turret, 6 of 3x modules and a mine module all at m3+5. (after speeedups) After that MUs would be sale-only.

 

Bottom line income guestimation at about 1k exp day is about 700k assuming the 3x weekly payment is permanent. So maybe the Titan will have to wait a few weeks . . .

[NatchGa 665]

No I will be 5 or 7 percent down to the same people i have been 5 ot 7 percent behind since Brigadier. I have played hundreds of actual battles in the game, not in theory. My equipment is, at worst, a little less-boosted than some tanks, equal to or better than most. I am alrdeay about 1/8th of my way through this two rank period. I  am fully competitive in battle. Thinsg will get only better inb one more rank as I will have 4 m3+ modules working for me too,

 

Now the day I hit Marshal I will have probably 250k or more just sitting there ready to pour into 4 MU projects. Withing a week I will have MUed all my m3 gear to 1/4th through the ladder. The rest would take place slowly during sales.

 

where did you pull this 5-7% from? and i have played hundreds of more battles in game. my rank doesnt lie, and i have gone through the same thing as you. these 2 ranks are going to be hell, and its not going to get much better at marshal. and i LOVE how you all just ignore that there are a lot of people who buy m3 kits at your rank and instantly get them m4 at the same rank... they exist, and they are not hard find in battle. thats not just a """5-7%""" difference at that point. 

 

slowly upgrading all your gear is a pain. invest in one hull/turret at a time. then at least you'll have in advantage in some predicaments.

[NatchGa 665]

Railgun can only one shot a M4 viking if it have Alteration that cost 100 000 crystals added, and can't one shot M4 Titan or Mamy at any time, Magnum can one shot M4 Titan WITHOUT any alteration.

 

it seems that Magnum just don't give a ****, it just one shot everything he sees, this is why it's the number 1 Turret for the druggers and gold diggers now, Non pro is not even funny anymore because of it.

 

it should be nerfed, it's suriously ridiculously overpowered.

 

plus he destroyed the balance of Noise and silence for ever, two of my favourite pro battle maps.

uhhhh both railgun and shaft can 1 shot a m4 titan/mammy, railgun with high-callibre ammo can take away a max of 2240 damage, with double damage, thats 4480, plenty to kill a titan or mammy. 

 

shaft has always been able to 1 shot a heavy hull with double damage, not to mention heavy capacitators alteration...

 

i agree tho that they need to add more turrets that are much more effective at taking down medium hulls, since they're over used.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

where did you pull this 5-7% from? and i have played hundreds of more battles in game. my rank doesnt lie, and i have gone through the same thing as you. these 2 ranks are going to be hell, and its not going to get much better at marshal. and i LOVE how you all just ignore that there are a lot of people who buy m3 kits at your rank and instantly get them m4 at the same rank... they exist, and they are not hard find in battle. thats not just a """5-7%""" difference at that point. 

 

slowly upgrading all your gear is a pain. invest in one hull/turret at a time. then at least you'll have in advantage in some predicaments.

I know it is hard for you to accept there is more than one way to approach a game but facts are facts. If you were right I'd have seen it at Brigadier, at Maj Gen, now at LTGeneral.  I am playing against the same rank brackets. I will play the same brackets at General. This is basicaly Commander down to Colonel. The same exact people I WILL play then, I DO play now. And I know I can compete in that group.

 

The 5-7 percent comes from the fact that this mix of tankers from Colonel t Commander do not have m4 gear. They do not have m3 gear, not all of them. There are some with m3+ gear but they are not full +20. So the pure parameter advanatege they have is real, but not dominating.

 

I have explained this three times now so maybe you will read it. Another thing that has been posted but you have not read is I have invested in only one hull and turret. It has been at 10/10 for months and I have been earning all that time.

 

But please continue to play your game. I will play mine.

[wolverine848 13,097]

look i really dont understand why this is so hard for you to get, an advantage is an advantage even if its just 13-14% thats kinda the whole point...

 

having an m3 over a 10/10 m2 is still way better, pro-battles with micro upgrades disabled for example, now your upgrades are useless. being able to keep upgrading at m3 whereas your stuck with a basically only m3 turret... 

 

having an m3 over an m2 is BETTER. doesnt matter if your m2 is fully micro upgraded you still have to wait until marshal before its technically m3. im literally not even sure what your trying to prove at this point????? 

 

and stop bringing up cost like its such a disability, you dont have to be a buyer to get an m3 kit at the lowest rank possible to get it, i have alts that i havnt spent a dime on and do/will have m3's by the time they reach that rank. yes, maybe you might only be able to use one combination to do so, but if you use sales to your advantage, and take advantage of mission chains (which have been 3 times more rewarding than normal) than you should be able to do so with no problem. and if thats to hard for you, than im sorry, but your just gonna have to GIT GUD

So figured out how to math right?  So is it still 25%?  Or is the max diff now 13-14%

 

I guess you're using magic (or real $$) to get ur M4s right after you buy a kit?

Which sales are you using to your advantage to get the kit?

 

I never said you have to be a buyer to get a kit at unlock rank. I said it will deplete the bank and it will then take time to save up for more than a few MUs. When you buy that kit it's no better than M2 10/10 until you sink more crystals into it.

 

What are we trying to prove?

That buying a Kit is not always more advantageous than MU-ing items in garage.

1) Kits no longer benefit from any other discount and

2) MU-ing items costs a lot less than previously if you don't use speed-ups.

 

You've completely discounted fact that upgraded M2-10/10 gets used before the kit unlock. Ranks of using an M3 before Marshall.

[NatchGa 665]

What are we trying to prove?

That buying a Kit is not always more advantageous than MU-ing items in garage.

1) Kits no longer benefit from any other discount and

2) MU-ing items costs a lot less than previously if you don't use speed-ups.

pfff everyone knows thats true, all i heard from you guys was that fully micro upgrade equipment was basically better than equipment the next modification above...

 

:mellow: woopsies a bit of miscommunication on my end but still...

[wolverine848 13,097]

pfff everyone knows thats true, all i heard from you guys was that fully micro upgrade equipment was basically better than equipment the next modification above...

 

:mellow: woopsies a bit of miscommunication on my end but still...

Sorry if I came on a little strong with the "math" critic.

 

I have bought kits and MU-ed.  Kits were definitely better when you applied sales+personal discounts and came with supplies - and before MUs were reduced.

 

Now I'd say it's a wash and depends on the circumstances.

[NatchGa 665]

Sorry if I came on a little strong with the "math" critic.

 

I have bought kits and MU-ed.  Kits were definitely better when you applied sales+personal discounts and came with supplies - and before MUs were reduced.

 

Now I'd say it's a wash and depends on the circumstances.

to sum it up pretty much.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Buying a kit is easier. Buying a la carte and MU ASAP is better value. I front-load the advantage where it has the largest proportional effect. And I pick the module I want not the one I get. Plus nothing is wasted on Paint. If I went the kit route I would have a few mu stewpsa on my hull and turrent (say 5 compared to 0 now) but I would probably have fewer modules at lower MU level.

 

After I get through these two levels then I can be upgrading 9 items in parallel. 7 modules plus hull and turret. That gives me maximum value out of sales.

 

But if you buy a kit you will have good gear too. It is not like buying a kit will leave you helpless. 
 

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

That is so true

That's why I don't play this game as I used to last year

[wolverine848 13,097]

Buying a kit is easier. Buying a la carte and MU ASAP is better value. I front-load the advantage where it has the largest proportional effect. And I pick the module I want not the one I get. Plus nothing is wasted on Paint. If I went the kit route I would have a few mu stewpsa on my hull and turrent (say 5 compared to 0 now) but I would probably have fewer modules at lower MU level.

 

After I get through these two levels then I can be upgrading 9 items in parallel. 7 modules plus hull and turret. That gives me maximum value out of sales.

 

But if you buy a kit you will have good gear too. It is not like buying a kit will leave you helpless. 

 

Whenever there's an MU sale now I place 1 MU on each 3xturrets 3xhulls 5xmodules.  Costs a bundle to do "one MU" but they are all working their way up to M4 and I have plenty flexibility.

[N0iSE 222]

Buying a kit can give you an advantage: you can start MU-ing it already in the next class.. I bought a m3 kit AND am MU-ing it now to m4 asap.

Most likely will reach 20/20 before marshall (it is 14/20 already)

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Buying a kit can give you an advantage: you can start MU-ing it already in the next class.. I bought a m3 kit AND am MU-ing it now to m4 asap.

Most likely will reach 20/20 before marshall (it is 14/20 already)

lol, at the rate you earn exp you're gonna take forever to reach marshal. do you regret not getting rockshaper as i suggested? your favourite railgun could be almost m4 now... ;)

[N0iSE 222]

I liked the paint Emerald more :-p and the module also. And I am not in a hurry at all with ranking up. Maybe I ll get a legend kit or touche first. Will MU that too then :-)