Declined Slight change to turret / weapon balance

[XLG1 67]

I know that the removal of updates isnt accepted as you are forced to adapt to the developers' "vision" of the game whether you like it or not, which is why updates that have been cotnested even by the community still remain inside the game, and moderators on the developers' payroll try their best to keep such protest secluded hance why the suggestion of removal of updates is prohibited.  :)

 

Again if these could be at least communicated to the devs instead of just being closed as a common practice by the mods, would be appreciated.

 

Anyway why is viking faster than Hunter ? what is the point of using it and it still has less health. When it should have more speed less health (hunter)

 

Firebird has been nerfed too much and so has freeze, visibly in battle. Takes a full charge to kill oponents even with alteration, and freeze is very inferior compared to other guns hard to freeze opponents, etc

 

Yet the game has become supply based, for money of course, just hoping these could get a slight buff to make things more even, as it appears Alterations have become mandatory for optimum gameplay, which shouldnt be the case, even if they want to deliberately fuel you to pay.

 

 

[Maf 32,328]

Declined

 

The rule exists because an idea that's asking to revert an update has no value. This section exists so that players can share their original and creative ideas for features they would like to see in the game. Asking for an update to be reverted is not original or creative.

 

If you would like to discuss game balance and post suggestions about it, please use the topic Let's Discuss Game Balance. When it comes to game updates, the best place to express your dislike of an update is in the appropriate discussion topic in the News and Announcements section.

[XLG1 67]

(Assuming by previous actions and mod / dev ignorance of opinion of bad updates that are implemented and refuted by the community) do the developers even check that section? Its probably unlikely that it will even be seen yet considered by the developers / mods in such secluded section.

 

Asking for a bad / valueless update to be negated does have value if is to be replaced with something better / meaningful or if there is a good reason for such an update to be replaced / removed if it is to the unfair disadvantage to the players or the developers.

 

 

Which is why I am requesting that this be placed under review rather than jsut closed because it is something you appear to disagree with. An idea / suggestion has to receive your approval before developers may even notice it ?

[r_trooll15 827]

(Assuming by previous actions and mod / dev ignorance of opinion of bad updates that are implemented and refuted by the community) do the developers even check that section? Its probably unlikely that it will even be seen yet considered by the developers / mods in such secluded section.

 

Asking for a bad / valueless update to be negated does have value if is to be replaced with something better / meaningful or if there is a good reason for such an update to be replaced / removed if it is to the unfair disadvantage to the players or the developers.

they do probably

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Suggestions are passed on the devs by the mods. That's the entire point of the I&S section. Not all suggestions can be implemented, and doing so takes longer than you might expect. Alterations for example took over a year to go from idea to release. Furthermore, certain ideas are not accepted simply because the devs have already considered them (price changes, for example). 

 

Firebird and Freeze are way better currently than they were prior to the 2016 re-balance.

[XLG1 67]

Suggestions are passed on the devs by the mods. That's the entire point of the I&S section. Not all suggestions can be implemented, and doing so takes longer than you might expect. Alterations for example took over a year to go from idea to release. Furthermore, certain ideas are not accepted simply because the devs have already considered them (price changes, for example). 

 

Firebird and Freeze are way better currently than they were prior to the 2016 re-balance.

 

Alterations themselves were a waste of time as with the Firebird alt that was how firebird was before even so they nerfed it so alteration is still weaker ( FULL charge to kill medium tank) Twins alt the stable plasma they added self dmg then added a 50k alteration to remove it (Waste of time for more revenue)

 

Ideas would only really be considered if they were of obvious benefit to the players and not a significant or bad footprint / disadvantage to the developers in terms of significant loss of revenue as long as they stay online for longer (why daily missions are now done in non pro battles to waste more time)

 

Yeah bro you only got fire m2 and freeze m0, and maybe not even alteration unless i am mistaken, which means you wouldnt be in the appropriate position to provide a full analysis of the weapons balance, but even with MU and alteration it is not powerful enough, freeze mechanism has been modified significantly to the point where it just feels different from the strategies adapted before, 

 

They have increased the damage then decreased the damage where needed to scramble the buyers logical decisions of what to buy and balanced the both now they have same damage which is nonsensical ( freeze / fire )

[XLG1 67]

I am asking for this to be placed under review so it can be considered as the devs wont be able to read every page of the offical topic to discuss game balance especially if those opinions opose their own views / ideas for the game to make more revenue.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Alterations themselves were a waste of time as with the Firebird alt that was how firebird was before even so they nerfed it so alteration is still weaker ( FULL charge to kill medium tank) Twins alt the stable plasma they added self dmg then added a 50k alteration to remove it (Waste of time for more revenue)

 

Yeah bro you only got fire m2 and freeze m0, and maybe not even alteration unless i am mistaken, which means you wouldnt be in the appropriate position to provide a full analysis of the weapons balance, but even with MU and alteration it is not powerful enough, freeze mechanism has been modified significantly to the point where it just feels different from the strategies adapted before, 

 

They have increased the damage then decreased the damage where needed to scramble the buyers logical decisions of what to buy and balanced the both now they have same damage which is nonsensical ( freeze / fire )

Here are some statistics.

 

Comparison of Firebird before 2016 re-balance and Firebird now:

 

[/td]	M0	M1	M2	M3	M4
OLD Damage	320	402.4	543.5	649.4	720
NEW Damage	375	454.26	590.15	669.41	760
OLD Reload	14	13.38	12.32	11.53	11
NEW Reload	6	6	6	6	6
OLD Range of Min Damage	17	18.65	21.47	23.59	25
NEW Range of Min Damage	17	18.65	21.47	23.59	25
OLD Range of Max Damage	5	5	5	5	5
NEW Range of Max Damage	5	6.03	7.79	8.82	10
OLD Temperature Limit	0.1	0.29	0.6	0.84	1
NEW Temperature Limit	0.2	0.36	0.65	0.81	1

 

Notice how new Firebird is better in every respect. I didn't include cone angle, energy consumption, and burning time because they are the same in both versions. I also didn't include turret rotation speed because it doesn't matter and I couldn't be bothered to write that out (all you need to know is that new Firebird has better rotation speed but slower turret acceleration).

 

Comparison of Freeze before 2016 re-balance and Freeze now:

 

	M1	M2	M3	M4
OLD Damage	325.9	432.9	494.1	631.8	80
NEW Damage	375	488.24	533.53	669.41	760
OLD Reload	12.74	12.12	11.76	10.97	10
NEW Reload	8	8	8	8	8
OLD Range of Min Damage	17.71	19.35	20.29	22.41	25
NEW Range of Min Damage	17	19.35	20.29	23.12	25
OLD Range of Max Damage	5	5	5	5	5
NEW Range of Max Damage	5	6.47	7.06	8.82	10
OLD Energy Consumption	111	111	111	111	111
NEW Energy Consumption	142	142	142	142	142
OLD Rate of Freezing	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6
NEW Rate of Freezing	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6

 

Not as clear cut as Firebird, but damage, range, and reload rate are better at the cost of firing duration. Only modification that was "nerfed" was M4.

 

Perhaps they feel weak to you because you are using M2 when you should have M3.

[Re-old-railgun 81]

Suggestions are passed on the devs by the mods. That's the entire point of the I&S section. Not all suggestions can be implemented, and doing so takes longer than you might expect. Alterations for example took over a year to go from idea to release. Furthermore, certain ideas are not accepted simply because the devs have already considered them (price changes, for example). 

 

Firebird and Freeze are way better currently than they were prior to the 2016 re-balance.

 

Railgun become a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT worse than before 2016 balance .

[TakeAShower 300]

 

Here are some statistics.

 

Comparison of Firebird before 2016 re-balance and Firebird now:

 

[/td]	M0	M1	M2	M3	M4
OLD Damage	320	402.4	543.5	649.4	720
NEW Damage	375	454.26	590.15	669.41	760
OLD Reload	14	13.38	12.32	11.53	11
NEW Reload	6	6	6	6	6
OLD Range of Min Damage	17	18.65	21.47	23.59	25
NEW Range of Min Damage	17	18.65	21.47	23.59	25
OLD Range of Max Damage	5	5	5	5	5
NEW Range of Max Damage	5	6.03	7.79	8.82	10
OLD Temperature Limit	0.1	0.29	0.6	0.84	1
NEW Temperature Limit	0.2	0.36	0.65	0.81	1

 

Notice how new Firebird is better in every respect. I didn't include cone angle, energy consumption, and burning time because they are the same in both versions. I also didn't include turret rotation speed because it doesn't matter and I couldn't be bothered to write that out (all you need to know is that new Firebird has better rotation speed but slower turret acceleration).

 

Comparison of Freeze before 2016 re-balance and Freeze now:

 

	M1	M2	M3	M4
OLD Damage	325.9	432.9	494.1	631.8	80
NEW Damage	375	488.24	533.53	669.41	760
OLD Reload	12.74	12.12	11.76	10.97	10
NEW Reload	8	8	8	8	8
OLD Range of Min Damage	17.71	19.35	20.29	22.41	25
NEW Range of Min Damage	17	19.35	20.29	23.12	25
OLD Range of Max Damage	5	5	5	5	5
NEW Range of Max Damage	5	6.47	7.06	8.82	10
OLD Energy Consumption	111	111	111	111	111
NEW Energy Consumption	142	142	142	142	142
OLD Rate of Freezing	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6
NEW Rate of Freezing	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6	0.6

 

Not as clear cut as Firebird, but damage, range, and reload rate are better at the cost of firing duration. Only modification that was "nerfed" was M4.

 

Perhaps they feel weak to you because you are using M2 when you should have M3.

 

Actually, the Firebird has been nerfed. If you check closely, the difference between M0 and M4 for the old firebird's M4 is 200% better than it's M0. It is now only 100% better. The devs reduced the difference between M0 and M4, in effect buffing every non-M4 turret/hull.

 

Railgun become a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT worse than before 2016 balance .

I agree. It was far too OP then.

[Guest TSY_the_crazy]

I agree with this idea +1. I want the good old times back when we could one shot a hornet m3 with a m0 shaft :ph34r:

[GorgoBlesk 831]

Viking has less height than Hunter so it has logically less weight and more speed.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Actually, the Firebird has been nerfed. If you check closely, the difference between M0 and M4 for the old firebird's M4 is 200% better than it's M0. It is now only 100% better. The devs reduced the difference between M0 and M4, in effect buffing every non-M4 turret/hull.

First of all I don't see where you are getting 100% from.

Second of all, even though the difference between M4 and other modifications has been reduced, M4 is still more powerful than it used to be.

[TakeAShower 300]

First of all I don't see where you are getting 100% from.

Second of all, even though the difference between M4 and other modifications has been reduced, M4 is still more powerful than it used to be.

+100% = 2X

+200% = 3X

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

+100% = 2X

+200% = 3X

Which values are 3X?

[TakeAShower 300]

Which values are 3X?

The old M0-M4 difference.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

The old M0-M4 difference.

320 * 3 = 960 not 720

[TakeAShower 300]

320 * 3 = 960 not 720

That is probably because some turrets are stronger/weaker.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

wat