New mission rewards - A great deception

[MJROCKS05 428]

 

By my estimation method your weekly mission reward payout has reduced in value by 12,625 Cry. [ In the worst case, it has actually been reduced by 21.5k crys apprx,whereas in a moderately good case it has been reduced by 3750 crys] { if u want the math, I can give it to you }

 

In return you get three containers worth an average of 4,735 Cry each. For three per week that is a total of 14,200 Cry. So you actually get a small amount more than you did in the 3x program. Roughly a 12.5% boost. [see prev reply, its actually a loss]

 

Probabilities used are estimated here. More than half your opens will not offset the 40% drop. But every now and then you will get a big reward offsets the 40% and then some. In the long run you get a little more.[ The chance of getting that big reward is too low and the wait too long. I'd rather have predictable rewards than hoping for me to get lucky AF. Non-predictable rewards are too much of a gamble, it gets in the way of planning for sales, Micro-upgrades, wether to buy supplies or not and other things. I'm not a fan]

 

Supplies are valued at the 100 item kit price on 50% off. That is 12.5 Cry for Basics and 37.5 Cry for a RK. [considered in my calculations but youre forgetting that most players never have and never will buy that kit]

 

Paints and Gold Boxes were all valued at zero Cry. [goldboxes valued at 1k, paints = no value]

 

Premium Passes were valued at the daily bonus reward only. No extra earnings from battle are used in the calculations. [Premium pass not valued, doesnt give that much of a bonus until i play long battles and then 2.5k can be neglected]

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

or you could learn to play without drugs and fight like a man. stop being a welfare case, you can't have everything for free.

[MJROCKS05 428]

or you could learn to play without drugs and fight like a man. stop being a welfare case, you can't have everything for free.

I can play without drugs but it gives me lesser reward, ruins my d/k and makes it harder to complete missions. I'm not being a welfare case, read my whole argument before judging. Who says its all for free? Keeping up my mission chain, completing missions regularly is work and its a reward I am getting for doing that work

 

"Fight like a man". LOL!!!! Guy who camps 24/7 with his magnum and shaft talks about "fighting like a man", the irony

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I can play without drugs but it gives me lesser reward, ruins my d/k and makes it harder to complete missions. I'm not being a welfare case, read my whole argument before judging. Who says its all for free? Keeping up my mission chain, completing missions regularly is work and its a reward I am getting for doing that work

 

"Fight like a man". LOL!!!! Guy who camps 24/7 with his magnum and shaft talks about "fighting like a man", the irony

hard work my arse, it takes me 1 or 2 battles to complete all missions every day. 

 

 

ahahaha just because you can only camp with those turrets doesn't mean you can only camp with them. 

 

I lead the charge with them, go read the lets discuss shaft topic, I top DMs with shaft  ;) . just because you can't get good k/d without drugs, or attack with shaft or magnum doesn't meanit can't be done. 

 

 

p.s remembver @Danya when he stole your first place at a DM? it was me...  :ph34r: you can go ask him. 

 

and don't think i don't know you camp yourself. you might never have seen my account in your battles but i have seen you with other people's accounts.. -_-

Edited January 11, 2018 by GuidoFawkes

[TaffyTank 1,890]

[LittleWillie 3,199]

 

 

By my estimation method your weekly mission reward payout has reduced in value by 12,625 Cry. [ In the worst case, it has actually been reduced by 21.5k crys apprx,whereas in a moderately good case it has been reduced by 3750 crys] { if u want the math, I can give it to you }

 

In return you get three containers worth an average of 4,735 Cry each. For three per week that is a total of 14,200 Cry. So you actually get a small amount more than you did in the 3x program. Roughly a 12.5% boost. [see prev reply, its actually a loss]

 

Probabilities used are estimated here. More than half your opens will not offset the 40% drop. But every now and then you will get a big reward offsets the 40% and then some. In the long run you get a little more.[ The chance of getting that big reward is too low and the wait too long. I'd rather have predictable rewards than hoping for me to get lucky AF. Non-predictable rewards are too much of a gamble, it gets in the way of planning for sales, Micro-upgrades, wether to buy supplies or not and other things. I'm not a fan]

 

Supplies are valued at the 100 item kit price on 50% off. That is 12.5 Cry for Basics and 37.5 Cry for a RK. [considered in my calculations but youre forgetting that most players never have and never will buy that kit]

 

Paints and Gold Boxes were all valued at zero Cry. [goldboxes valued at 1k, paints = no value]

 

Premium Passes were valued at the daily bonus reward only. No extra earnings from battle are used in the calculations. [Premium pass not valued, doesnt give that much of a bonus until i play long battles and then 2.5k can be neglected]

 

You csan how me your math and I have shown you mine. The difference is in how we value Supplies.

 

I value them low because I already have a lot of supplies. Getting more / week than I use is of little value.

 

It does not matter if player actually but that kit the fact is they CAN buy that kit. That is the cheapest way to get Supplies so it is how I benchmark my Supply value.

 

My math is every bit as correct as your math. It is opinion as how how valuable are excess Supplies.

 

However your OP that this change to Containers is a massive rip-off is looking to be wrong. In the long run the overall income looks to be roughly equal to the straight 3x system.

 

And that is considering GBs and Paints as items of no value. AS TaffyTank pointed out, thet is not entirely true.

 

But continue being angry if that is your choice.

 

or you could learn to play without drugs and fight like a man. stop being a welfare case, you can't have everything for free.

The game is designed with Supplies as a core element just as in chess the Queen is a core element. You may as well taunt a Chess Grandmaster for not "being a man" for using her Queen. I am sure she'll be as amused at your trolling as we are. 

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

The game is designed with Supplies as a core element just as in chess the Queen is a core element. You may as well taunt a Chess Grandmaster for not "being a man" for using her Queen. I am sure she'll be as amused at your trolling as we are. 

i could say the same for camping. in war everyone camps, don't you know?

 

 

you gonna taunt anyone for not moving out for you to get an easy shot?

Edited January 11, 2018 by GuidoFawkes

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I said noting about camping. Not one word. I mocked your mocking of people who use Supplies. Using Supplies in TO is simply part of the game just as using the most powerful chess piece is in chess.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I said noting about camping. Not one word. I mocked your mocking of people who use Supplies. Using Supplies in TO is simply part of the game just as using the most powerful chess piece is in chess.

yeah well i hope you understand  it is not fun finishing first in every freaking battle you play even when using a long range turret for short range.

 

i wasn't mocking him for using supplies, i was mocking his over reliance of them.

 

thing different from chess is that you always have your queen for every match. but not supplies, you wanna use fine but make sure you'll still be able to play without them.

[MJROCKS05 428]

I lead the charge with them, go read the lets discuss shaft topic, I top DMs with shaft  ;) . just because you can't get good k/d without drugs, or attack with shaft or magnum doesn't meanit can't be done.  [Topping DM's doesnt mean that you're not camping, shaft and magnum are made for camping, they cannot lead a direct attack on their own. At my rank eveyone uses drugs, if I dont use drugs then I can manage a k/d of 1 but then I lose out of being first and getting higher rewards. I'm not questioning your ability to top games, stop calling out others when you dont know the reality of the higher ranks]

p.s remembver @Danya when he stole your first place at a DM? it was me...  :ph34r: you can go ask him. 

Don't remeber this guy at all, and who says I top DM's all the time? I maybe playing relaxed or something, how would you even know? Next time try to provide evidence such as screenshots before making these claims and dont consider yourself better than others just because of 1 instance, try being more realistic.

 

and don't think i don't know you camp yourself. you might never have seen my account in your battles but i have seen you with other people's accounts.. -_-

[LMAO, now this is a striaght out lie.... Im a very attacking player and I never camp, how would I even camp with twins/rico/isida which all need a direct line of fire to work effieciently? Cant find any flaws in me so come up with a no-sense outright lie? LOL kid]

 

 

But continue being angry if that is your choice.

I'm angry about the update but I look for peaceful discussions in the forum, If I am wrong others can correct me and a lot of people have put in valid arguments from their point of view which I respect, but I still stand firm on my point that the multiple flaws with the container system are not worth the reduced rewards.

 

yeah well i hope you understand  it is not fun finishing first in every freaking battle you play even when using a long range turret for short range. [Keep that BS to yourself, Idk what kind of nubs are u playing against to win even in short ranged battles, seems like another of your made up stories]

 

i wasn't mocking him for using supplies, i was mocking his over reliance of them. [ I have a 16/20 Rico, 16/20 Vik, 15/20 Twins, 5/20 Titan, 8/20 Isida and 4 modules which give me 40+%  protection against 9 turrets in this game, I'm not over-reliant on supplies, its just that when everyone is using supplies my advantage is taken away but when I use supplies on top of the modules and my equipment, I gain a good boost and become powerful. I can provide you with hundreds on screenshot of my pro battle performances to prove it to you that I can easily play good without drugs too so, next time dont mock people without knowing about them]

Edited January 13, 2018 by MJROCKS05

[LittleWillie 3,199]

yeah well i hope you understand  it is not fun finishing first in every freaking battle you play even when using a long range turret for short range.

 

i wasn't mocking him for using supplies, i was mocking his over reliance of them.

 

thing different from chess is that you always have your queen for every match. but not supplies, you wanna use fine but make sure you'll still be able to play without them.

Yeah I know 100% of your posts include some form of "I always finish 1st I am great I am great look at me for being great ". But the fact is I have thousands of supplies from doing missions so yes, I have them whenever I need them. I do not use them when I do not need them. But they are always on hand.

 

I do not think the TO Supplies are that imaginative or well designed but only a very bad player pretends they are not a major part of the game.

 

I use Shaft occasionally. I have posted on the thread how easy it is compared to Smoky. And I have posted that Supplies use goes way down when using it. Different turrets and hulls have different optimum modes.

 

I'm angry about the update but I look for peaceful discussions in the forum, If I am wrong others can correct me and a lot of people have put in valid arguments from their point of view which I respect, but I still stand firm on my point that the multiple flaws with the container system are not worth the reduced rewards.

Yu may turn out to be correct. Or your worries might turn out to be wrong. I am just trying to talk you off the edge. Don't be angry until more info is in. :)

 

It all depends on the real probability table. If the larger rewards occur often enough this system will be as lucrative as the 3x system.  But if the small rewards occur too often then it will not.

 

My first encounter was definitely better than even the 3x system, But I was a bit luckier than (my guess at) the average odds.

Edited January 11, 2018 by LittleWillie

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Yeah it's not possible to camp with isida... This is an outright lie.

 

Don't know the reality of higher ranks? Go read the last 2 pages of lets discuss shaft to catch up on the latest episodes of the adventures of GuidoFawkes which you missed.

 

 

What noobs i was playing against? Again you havent been up to date on my escapades. Read lets duscuss shaft.

 

 

You want evidence like screenshots? How about evidence that i camp 24/7 as you said then? Okay no need a long video of me camping in serveral battles.. just a short one of me camping for 5 minutes can you show me one? If not shut up about accusations ;) there's the full 15 minute video of how i top DM with shaft without camping.

 

Now for the last time just because you can't play shaft without camping doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

 

one question : how are screenshots in non pro battles supposed to show you can play well without drugs?? As if i'll be able to tell whether you used any drugs to get those results..

Edited January 11, 2018 by GuidoFawkes

[PetoAbyssus 20]

Maf can i know what is ddc?

DCC = Double Crystal Card

[Sliced 819]

Yeah it's not possible to camp with isida... This is an outright lie.

 

Don't know the reality of higher ranks? Go read the last 2 pages of lets discuss shaft to catch up on the latest episodes of the adventures of GuidoFawkes which you missed.

 

 

What noobs i was playing against? Again you havent been up to date on my escapades. Read lets duscuss shaft.

 

 

You want evidence like screenshots? How about evidence that i camp 24/7 as you said then? Okay no need a long video of me camping in serveral battles.. just a short one of me camping for 5 minutes can you show me one? If not shut up about accusations ;) there's the full 15 minute video of how i top DM with shaft without camping.

 

Now for the last time just because you can't play shaft without camping doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

 

one question : how are screenshots in non pro battles supposed to show you can play well without drugs?? As if i'll be able to tell whether you used any drugs to get those results..

Two screenshots. One before and after :)

 

Shaft with DD = Railgun with faster reload = R.I.P enemies.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Sliced

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

Have you considered the fact that you may get pricey paints such as inferno, which means more crystals if/when converted to crystals?

[TaffyTank 1,890]

Have you considered the fact that you may get pricey paints such as inferno, which means more crystals if/when converted to crystals?

Except paints give no gameplay advantage and can't be converted into anything.

You're both right IMO....Paint value is dependent on whether you want that paint or not, or if you want as many nice paints as possible. If you are this type of player container paints become extremely valuable as it saves you buying them with cry earnings or cash.

 

For someone that doesn't care about paints, they could be considered worthless in terms of crystals. Truth is though, I'm pretty sure that most players without nice paints won't complain if they get one of the nicer high value garage or shop paints.(or animated)...depends on the players taste I suppose.

 

Also, from Tanki's perspective, giving free paints in containers is likely to reduce the amount of paints sold, as players will wait and hope they get a paint they like instead of spending their crystals on garage paints. Possibly another factor in how Tanki chose to get rid of x3 rewards??

 

There's a few garage and shop paints I personally would value.

Edited January 12, 2018 by TaffyTank

[MJROCKS05 428]

one question : how are screenshots in non pro battles supposed to show you can play well without drugs?? As if i'll be able to tell whether you used any drugs to get those results.. [ Cuz the supplies are off =______= ]

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

Except paints give no gameplay advantage and can't be converted into anything.

Well seeing as everybody is converting things and their price to determine crystals in total, I don't think that makes a massive difference. It may not have any use, however if devs are willing to give away things worth up to 750,000, shouldn't we show grattitude?

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

 

one question : how are screenshots in non pro battles supposed to show you can play well without drugs?? As if i'll be able to tell whether you used any drugs to get those results.. [ Cuz the supplies are off =______= ]

 

in non pro battles? go get a brain before talking to me again.

[austen_pierce 1,948]

Paint value is dependent on whether you want that paint or not, or if you want as many nice paints as possible.

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There's a few garage and shop paints I personally would value.

Yes, this - the value of paints and any other container reward is in the eyes of the player.

 

I am Premium until mid April. A Premium-bearing container is worthless to me.

 

I bought a container and got Harlequin paint. Cute and sweet but not good enough. Also worthless. Show me the Zeus or Emerald.

 

Supplies? I have almost 10k of everything. A few hundred more? Worthless.

 

Crystals? Here’s the rub. If I bought containers for real money, there’s better ways to turn that real money into crystals. Cough Premium Cough. But as a mission reward bonus, I’ll take em.

 

So my week 4 chain reward kicks tomorrow. I’ll be back to post what I got and it’s relative value TO ME.

 

Edit: RIP spelling

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Edited January 12, 2018 by austen_pierce

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Yes, this - the value of paints and any other container reward is in the eyes of the player.

 

I am Premium until mid April. A Premium-bearing container is worthless to me.

 

I bought a container and got Harlequin paint. Cute and sweet but not good enough. Also worthless. Show me the Zeus or Emerald.

 

Supplies? I have almost 10k of everything. A few hundred more? Worthless.

 

Crystals? Here’s the rub. If I bought containers for real money, there’s better ways to turn that real money into crystals. Cough Premium Cough. But as a mission reward bonus, I’ll take em.

 

So my week 4 chain reward kicks tomorrow. I’ll be back to post what I got and it’s relative value TO ME.

 

Edit: RIP spelling

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MY guesstimate is the 1.8x + Contained system will give us slightly more Crystals, sligihtly more RKs, but slightly fewer basic supplies, than the 3x system it just replaced. (Plus paints and GBs.)

 

Players like you and I who have a lrge stock of basic supplies will probably like the new system.  We will learn more with time.

 

PS: Harelquin is the best  :angry:  :P

Edited January 12, 2018 by LittleWillie

[wolverine848 13,097]

MY guesstimate is the 1.8x + Contained system will give us slightly more Crystals, sligihtly more RKs, but slightly fewer basic supplies, than the 3x system it just replaced. (Plus paints and GBs.)

 

Players like you and I who have a lrge stock of basic supplies will probably like the new system.  We will learn more with time.

 

PS: Harelquin is the best  :angry:  :P

As one who is saving crystals for MUs I'm thinking I'd prefer the guaranteed crystals vs the random items.  I just know most of time I'm going to get supplies - which I don't spend crystals on - so those will have little value for me.

 

Having said that - my W03 account did get 10 gold boxes. But I'll need to spend >2000crys to get Pro_Pass so I can collect them...

[LittleWillie 3,199]

As one who is saving crystals for MUs I'm thinking I'd prefer the guaranteed crystals vs the random items.  I just know most of time I'm going to get supplies - which I don't spend crystals on - so those will have little value for me.

 

Having said that - my W03 account did get 10 gold boxes. But I'll need to spend >2000crys to get Pro_Pass so I can collect them...

My guess is you will get more Cry and less Supplies under this system ... exactly what you want. It all depends on the percentage table.

 

Save the GBs for mm and the free access to the Pro sectin.

[wolverine848 13,097]

My guess is you will get more Cry and less Supplies under this system ... exactly what you want. It all depends on the percentage table.

 

Save the GBs for mm and the free access to the Pro sectin.

I suspect my W03 will come out ahead and my Legend will fall off a bit in crystal ratio - but we'll have to see.

 

"mm"?

[LittleWillie 3,199]

mm=Matchmaking

 

WO definitely ahead, Legend maybe not maybe break-even?  We will see.