declined Parkour Veteran Paint

[Lankbouv 6,347]

You try to convince me about the veteran paint, which I didn't talk about. I talked about how bad livestream are in measuring a parkourist's skill.

 

I never felt pressure in mop finals, I succeeded a super hard trick in one minute and then failed a 5 times easier trick, if the livestream is so good for testing skill how did I do worse according to it on a way easier trick?

If you succeed a trick once every 20 minutes on average, the first success can be the first try or the 20th. Only when the time given is long enough to let people finish the trick several times then you can see the success rate but as you said:

 

Livestreams are just not good for testing the success rate, nothing is, except watching the parkourists for very long which would be very boring for any contest. So what's left to measure is the ability to perform difficult tricks that others aren't capable of, and that is why the first stage of mop is the best part, there people show that they can do tricks that others can't.

You seem to think that trying 100000000 times to do some epic stuff makes you a good parkourist.  Maybe it makes you a good entertainer on YouTube, but not good at Parkour.  and if it's about art (which can be repeated several times), then what exactly are you arguing for in this topic.  It's self-evident parkour should not have a Veteran paint.  it's a sport barely out of nappies in TO, there is no way to test it.  In fact I agree with you, there are problems with any 1 way of testing the parkour skills of someone.  So that's just another reason against the Veteran paint, and that's what this topic is about, so you cant use "im not arguing about the paint" as cover for your arguments legitimately.

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

You've got no idea what you're talking about. ahahah this is one of the funniest things I've heard.  It's too basic to refute

You get enough time in the battle to do a few mistakes and a few good moves, your success rate fits inside the battle length, in parkour nobody's success rate fits inside the time they are given in mop finals

[Lankbouv 6,347]

The TO Wiki description tells you all you need to know about what Veteran means, and why Parkour should never get it.  parkour have paints already, which are suitable for what they are.

 

"A paint given to legendary tankers who earned their fame in years of cybersport trainings and victories. The dark gold color stresses experience and wisdom, while a texture similar to Champion tells everyone that the owner of Veteran is not just a fighter, he’s a winner.

Attention! The paint is given to the legendary tankers who earned their fame in years of cybersport trainings and victories."

[Lankbouv 6,347]

I'll call your attention to the words in the above description.  "Legendary" < perhaps applicable to some parkourists, such as ToT in the past, they are the only parkourists to have that status in reality.  "years of trainings", It's still too new.  "years of victories" victories in contrived competitions where you can take 1000000 attempts to create a video.  "experience", again new community.  Wisdom: there's no wisdom in winning MOP.  "Winner", again winner of what exactly, there is no defined way to win.  In eSports the best clan is the winner of the Clam Championship.  In Parkour the best team is the one who is wowed the most on YouTube by skills attempted time and time again.  That's why you are just art, not a sport.

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

You seem to think that trying 100000000 times to do some epic stuff makes you a good parkourist.  Maybe it makes you a good entertainer on YouTube, but not good at Parkour.  and if it's about art (which can be repeated several times), then what exactly are you arguing for in this topic.  It's self-evident parkour should not have a Veteran paint.  it's a sport barely out of nappies in TO, there is no way to test it.  In fact I agree with you, there are problems with any 1 way of testing the parkour skills of someone.  So that's just another reason against the Veteran paint, and that's what this topic is about, so you cant use "im not arguing about the paint" as cover for your arguments legitimately.

Good, so now you agree with me that the livestream doesn't test the parkour skills properly.

I agree that skill in parkour is harder to measure so it's harder to decide who is skilled enough for a veteran paint, but the point of a veteran paint for parkour is to show what players are dedicated parkourists for a long time and with many achievements, you can change the name of this paint if this is what bothers you, but I do like the idea of giving a bit of recognition to parkourists that stand out.

 

FnF took a few hours to do most of it's tricks, take almost any other player and he can keep trying our hardest tricks tricks for a whole year and not succeed. Needing to repeat the trick doesn't mean anyone can do it if he tries long enough, harder tricks take longer to finish but without the needed skill you won't ever finish them.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

but I do like the idea of giving a bit of recognition to parkourists that stand out.

 

 

ie: yourself

 

You carefully avoided "arguing for the paint", but your standpoint is clear (and understandable)

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

ie: yourself

 

You carefully avoided "arguing for the paint", but your standpoint is clear (and understandable)

Myself too, but not only, and I don't think about myself when I think it's a nice idea, just like I agree that it's a great idea to give the veteran paint for eSports players. Giving recognition to players who were around for a long time and achieved impressive things that almost nobody else did, same concept for both parkour and eSports, just different requirements.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

Myself too, but not only, and I don't think about myself when I think it's a nice idea, just like I agree that it's a great idea to give the veteran paint for eSports players. Giving recognition to players who were around for a long time and achieved impressive things that almost nobody else did, same concept for both parkour and eSports, just different requirements.

Is this your first account?

 

and how would you decide who was a Veteran of parkour?  There are no objective measurements that are valid ie: MOP is not valid for the reasons I gave above.

[Spy 14,734]

In eSports, You need to "work" hard to achieve a temporary paint which then gets removed, and only a few out of thousands and thousands will get veteran. in parkour they nowadays give out a permanent paint every contest it seems, plus top clubs get their own club paint (which I don't bother and agree with, just saying that top esports clans don't have such privileges)... I don't know what else they want

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

Is this your first account?

 

and how would you decide who was a Veteran of parkour?  There are no objective measurements that are valid ie: MOP is not valid for the reasons I gave above.

It is the 4th or 5th, I play since 2010, started doing parkour fighting in 2013 and then moved to normal parkour close to the end of 2013. I don't rank up a lot because I only do parkour.

 

mop is valid if you look at the winners of the first stage, not the finals, because people who can pull off these tricks do get a time limit of 2 weeks or so which is a reasonable time for difficult tricks, and less skilled parkourists won't be able to pull off the same tricks even in a few months. Victory in big parkour contest and not quick things like the finals does prove skill.

[Lennard 3,270]

 

So you care about the veteran paint? that orange one? idk if you can read, but read the first post of this topic. does that stop you crying?

[SwiftSmoky 8,445]

In eSports, You need to "work" hard to achieve a temporary paint which then gets removed, and only a few out of thousands and thousands will get veteran. in parkour they nowadays give out a permanent paint every contest it seems, plus top clubs get their own club paint (which I don't bother and agree with, just saying that top esports clans don't have such privileges)... I don't know what else they want

In eSports you win a whole load of crystals and even better things than that, in parkour except the paints the prizes are low, we just get different things and it is arguable that real life stuff is more valuable than in game stuff.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

So you care about the veteran paint? that orange one? idk if you can read, but read the first post of this topic. does that stop you crying?

Your mind is too simplistic to understand that if it called "esports veteran", it has to be given to players along the same guidelines, ofc with a different paint.

[Spy 14,734]

In eSports you win a whole load of crystals and even better things than that, in parkour except the paints the prizes are low, we just get different things and it is arguable that real life stuff is more valuable than in game stuff.

Prizes are bigger because if you win them that means you trained hard enough to achieve them.

 

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This idea is pretty bad, I have nothing against Parkour ( I am a parkourist myself ) but this isn't going to work.

[Guest]

(and parkour is easy because you can try a 1000 times and make an epic video, if you mess up in eSports, it's all over)

 

The only part of parkour that is not easy is being tested on a stream

When talking about Parkour, you don't talk about live contests, but when it comes to eSports you do? If you mess up in MoP 2nd stage, your score goes lower, it's the same thing.

[Guest]

In eSports, You need to "work" hard to achieve a temporary paint which then gets removed, and only a few out of thousands and thousands will get veteran. in parkour they nowadays give out a permanent paint every contest it seems, plus top clubs get their own club paint (which I don't bother and agree with, just saying that top esports clans don't have such privileges)... I don't know what else they want

Parkour and eSports are two different things and no one is stopped from being able to possess a "Parkour Veteran" paint. Why you crying so much? If you want the paint then just Parkour along with doing eSports, like I am doing, and everyone else is doing...

[Lankbouv 6,347]

When talking about Parkour, you don't talk about live contests, but when it comes to eSports you do? If you mess up in MoP 2nd stage, your score goes lower, it's the same thing.

You're intellectually dishonest. I *did*mention live contests, but as Swift said, they aren't good for testing the parkour everyone watches.

[Guest]

You're intellectually dishonest. I *did*mention live contests, but as Swift said, they aren't good for testing the parkour everyone watches.

Now you revert to comparing making normal parkour videos to actual live in-game tournaments... Do you not realise how stupid that is??? Okay, say you make an XP/BP skills video... I'm sure the time and effort put into it is almost nothing compared to the amount of time and effort put into a professional Parkour montage.

[X-Toxical 174]

Parkour SurvivL 2.0

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[Suspect 1,252]

Ok so all the points given above are mostly correct but as @Spy @Lankbouv Parkourists arent worthy of a veteran paint 

as it is one for eSports , i have to agree that there are teams as F&F which make tricks that can simply amaze u and think how is it possible

for a trick like that to happen , but in other side u think how much time they needed to do this , iv tried parkour myself but its not the same as eSports

if u train daily 1-2 hours with clans ull always get better and better where as in parkour , ull either fail a lot waste drugs rage blame ur mates and 

not seeing any kind of improvment . Most of the guys that have a special paint are parkourists and judging by how they got their paints is just 

skill of very good editing and 1000 tries to do a hard and beatiful trick in case to manage to be in the winning entry , indeed comparing getting 

MOP 2017 lets say its same as getting gladiator in MoS , but in MOP ull have 10000 tries and good edit while in eSports , ull train have stress face different opponents , motivate ur teamates and there is no 1000tries 1 mistake might make u lose the game and guess what with that mistake u lose

gladiator while in MOP u can fix that mistake , and getting Veteran is smth that will take u  3-4 years and take u to beat clans like Vavilon , Synergy , Peppers and others , and even manage to go top 3 in international tours , which i think its the most hard part bcs u have to get top 16 blitz first , manage to win group stage and finally reach top 3 , today i saw a stream of clan Nexus facing CHC a guy just missed an easy shot and that was it for CHC to take advantage and lead to the victory . + i think Parkourists are already getting some sexy paints over "easy" things[i mean having 4 parkour paints forever in ur garage isnt a little thing] while eSports players try hard just to take gladiator :) [and lose it in 4 months ]

[hiramdoe 376]

If you guys have a problem regarding your e-sports paint getting removed why don't you create a new topic then . First of all it's bullshix and even a 10 year old mature kid will say you can't compare parkour and esports it's altogether two different domains. So if you have vlaid points why veteran paint shoukd not be awarded to parkourist ,then shoot it ? Also he made a mistake of Calling it Veteran paint if he had called it special or some other paint you guys won't even care shiz. Lankbouv talks too much but does nothing . I know he got great paints but it's past its over you need to wake up son.

[Lennard 3,270]

Also he made a mistake of Calling it Veteran paint if he had called it special or some other paint you guys won't even care shiz.

Yeah, I didn't knew eSport players should make a big problem like this. I will change it now. Thanks!

[hiramdoe 376]

Yeah, I didn't knew eSport players should make a big problem like this. I will change it now. Thanks!

No problem , just saying if you had not started the topic by talking about e sports it would have been better. But I get what you wanted to convey. But I do still think that some requirements needs to be improved if this idea gets implemented hopefully.

[Spy 14,734]

Parkour and eSports are two different things and no one is stopped from being able to possess a "Parkour Veteran" paint. Why you crying so much? If you want the paint then just Parkour along with doing eSports, like I am doing, and everyone else is doing...

I won 2 Master of Parkours contests and one of them at the 1st place, I am also a part of GTT. by the criteria in the main page, that means I can also get the paint soon, but I don't want it.

 

Also, if you can't talk respectfully without using words like 'crying' then stop talking here, I don't like this idea and I have the right to say my opinion just like everyone else has.

[Lennard 3,270]

I won 2 Master of Parkours contests and one of them at the 1st place, I am also a part of GTT. by the criteria in the main page, that means I can also get the paint soon, but I don't want it.

Club paint doesn't count and maybe I've to update it to 4/5 tournaments that you should win.