Is tanki dying ? Lets discuss

[Hancho 3,902]

Druggers killed Tanki.

 

"Press 3 to Win"

So druggers from 2011 have been killing this game? lol. 

[Dliver 436]

I love the way people say MM is a reason Tanki is dying but it hasn't even been released yet. (facepalm)

 

 

Thats basically why they released the new unbreakable chain. Thats good right? Or will you just ignore it and still say the Deves want to kill their game?

 

 

I used to be a heavy player but no more due to how the game has been slowly ruined over the years by Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's. I monitor the game and when changes take place I poke my nose back in to see if Pony Tail Boy and his minions have wised up any. So far the answer is a big fat resounding NO!

 

While it is true MM hasn't been fully released yet you get a taste of it with the battle button and in the tests. The one big negative is No choice. Granted it may help with the mult problem but I think the negatives outweigh possible benefits that could still be achieved by other methods that have been espoused over and over again in the forums. But back to the point, I like playing certain maps and certain modes.Take that away and you take away the reason for playing. Believe me that in it's current state tanki is no joy to play when those things are thrown at you randomly. Though with MM I think they will at least give you choice as to mode. Still I want to play the maps I want with people I want. I don't want to jump through a lot of hoops to do that. Just look at the stats. Since MM was announced and testing was started, player numbers have nose dived. So yes MM may be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back. Either way, if the trends continue there will simply not be enough players to support the game and it will end.

 

I will give you one point. The unbreakable chain is a good idea, but not good enough to pull the game back from the brink.

 

As to ignoring things, that's the one thing that Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's are very good at. They have never ever pulled back a single bad idea even when their noses have been rubbed in it.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Dliver

[Dliver 436]

Druggers killed Tanki.

 

"Press 3 to Win"

Hmmmm, I seem to remember back in the "bad old days" of the Drug Wars that peak player numbers were well over 100,000 and you couldn't get on some servers (that's back when you could choose the server you wanted to play on) due to the heavy number of players on them. Now granted, I do recognize the fact that there is a percentage of players who dislike the use of drugs, those are the simple facts. Also, I've always been an advocate, along with many others, that players should have a choice between drug and non-drug games, but unfortunately Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's never listen to that idea. Their answer was to charge players for that privilege. That could also be another good idea that the Dev's ignored and a reason for some to leave the game. Like the old saying goes "If it ain't fun, I'm not going to play".

Edited May 22, 2018 by Dliver

[Coat 2,280]

So druggers from 2011 have been killing this game? lol.

Hazel rah is killing the game

[Hancho 3,902]

Hazel rah is killing the game

Hazel might be good at developing and creating ideas for other games such as minecraft or roblox but definitely not Tanki. His ideas and creativity is ruining the whole game. 

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

so you honestly think nobody left :huh: ?

people leaving has no correlation with the bad updates?

even when people are quite vocal about their displeasure?

The majority of people who left did so naturally (ie because of boredom). Such is the assessment of the devs, and honestly, I am far more willing to believe them than random disgruntled players on the forum. The people who are most vocal are the ones who are most displeased with the system. Whether they make up a significant portion of the playerbase or not is another question.

 

I fail to understand why update 451 was bad. It was only bad for those that abused the system, and that's a good thing. I don't know where you get your "30-40k pepole left Tanki" figure from.

[loginci 877]

The majority of people who left did so naturally (ie because of boredom). Such is the assessment of the devs, and honestly, I am far more willing to believe them than random disgruntled players on the forum. The people who are most vocal are the ones who are most displeased with the system. Whether they make up a significant portion of the playerbase or not is another question.

 

I fail to understand why update 451 was bad. It was only bad for those that abused the system, and that's a good thing. I don't know where you get your "30-40k pepole left Tanki" figure from.

it is not reaşly hard to see the current online players number under the "Play" button.

 

But as you can imagine , there are many people who left for a while cuz ıf holidays , exams (like me )

[Dliver 436]

The majority of people who left did so naturally (ie because of boredom). Such is the assessment of the devs, and honestly, I am far more willing to believe them than random disgruntled players on the forum. The people who are most vocal are the ones who are most displeased with the system. Whether they make up a significant portion of the playerbase or not is another question.

Yet you give no proof other than that you trust what the Dev's are claiming. While many who have been critical of the Dev's will give hard numbers to prove their positions, you give none to back up your position. Of course the Dev's are going to say that people are leaving for reasons other than because of what they've done to the game. That way they are let off the hook. I will make the same point that I've made in other places in this forum. If Tanki is so boring why are they trying to shore it up? If it is past it's prime why save it? Why are they bringing out a mobile version? Is it just out of loyalty to a dying game that is headed for the dust heap of tired old games?  I suggest ThirdOnion that you do a little research as to what was said during each of the adjustments that Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's made and you will see that in each case long time players warned of the consequences many of those changes would have on the game. Now while not every change has been bad, most have been, and you can document that accurately with the sudden drops in players that took place after those bad updates took effect. That seems to be a good indicator to me that there is a good correlation between what Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's have done and that it is not just out of boredom that players have left. If the game is so boring why are you still here?

Edited May 22, 2018 by Dliver

[Guest]

 If the game is so boring why are you still here?

If you keep complaining about how Hazel "made the game worse" then why are you still here? 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Guest

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

While many who have been critical of the Dev's will give hard numbers to prove their positions, you give none to back up your position.

This is funny - "hard" number are concrete proof. Tell me, where are you getting these numbers from? I remember the approximate player count before patch 451. If 30-40k players had really left, Tanki would have literally 0 players. This is the thing I am most frustrated with when it comes to "Tanki is dead" crusaders. Players are ostensibly constantly leaving, yet there is no comprehensive record of player count for you to make accurate claims from.

 

Experience from other games has shown me that though Maf may sound like an apologist for Tanki, he's right when he talks about games losing players naturally. I've played other MMOs that have peaked years ago, and have disgruntled communities, yet there is no sign of death in sight. Their situation is strikingly similar to TO.

 

Now I find TO far less enjoyable to play than before, and I don't really play the game much either. But none of this was a result of these "bad" updates everyone loves to hate. In fact the updates that I hate the most are generally ones people forgot about, like the supplies rebalance, although that was perhaps overshadowed by the addition of overdrive.

[Viking4s 10,791]

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First thing you should consider is that TO and TX belongs to 2 peoples and certainly not to the developers. The developers are part of the employees that works for the owners of Alternativa Games. Alternativa has currently 2 projects  (TO and TX) that makes the company run so they can pay their employees, the materiels and taxes amongst others things.

The owners are the ones that decides and are responsible of the strategy for the company not the developers. They invested time and money, they recruited peoples and they created the game.

They might have people to repair the boat and steer it but the owner still are the captains, nothing is done without their command and they certainly do no want their boat to wreck. This is standard for any business. 

You blame the devs for everything and for no good reason and in the process ignore the simple fact of economy!? They want the company to thrives not to die, and if the company goes down they will fight against it, while you want to put it down for no good reason.

 

You make as many supposition and speculation as anybody else based on very little data. Unfortunately we will never know for sure what's really going on unless you have access to the company finances.

"sudden drop" that is so not true. There is many reasons why the number are low (and going up and down), dislike of the updates (or the game mutation/evolution) is one indeed but it is not the unique one and certainly not the main reason. If you were in a clan or in contact with many players you will see that there are more to see than your obtuse certainty.  

 

[lukey0 27,543]

Now I find TO far less enjoyable to play than before, and I don't really play the game much either. But none of this was a result of these "bad" updates everyone loves to hate. In fact the updates that I hate the most are generally ones people forgot about, like the supplies rebalance, although that was perhaps overshadowed by the addition of overdrive.

You remember how everyone was saying Smart Cooldowns will be the death of Tanki? That used to be a major point 2-3 years ago. :LOL:

 

~Le post

You seem to be particularly interesting in a flame war I'm not going to be a part of.

 

While it is true MM hasn't been fully released yet you get a taste of it with the battle button and in the tests.

There is no doubt there have been some questionable updates, even some I would like removed. Even the Deves have admitted they made mistakes.

 

But what tests are you talking about? There haven't even been any tests for the new system yet. :LOL: The old one was to see how the servers will handle it, not a finished product. 

[Dliver 436]

But what tests are you talking about? There haven't even been any tests for the new system yet. :lol: The old one was to see how the servers will handle it, not a finished product. 

Need I say more. If I'm not mistaken that is by definition a test. I also said it gave a taste of what could happen. I never said those tests were a finished product. Also if you play the HTML5 version, it is running MM.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Dliver

[Dliver 436]

 This is the thing I am most frustrated with when it comes to "Tanki is dead" crusaders.

I see your confusion. You see I'm not a Tanki is dead crusader. I'm a unite against what the Dev's are doing crusader, because I truly loved playing this game and have seen it go from a once great game to a shadow of it's former glory due to bad decisions and mismanagement of the game. Perhaps if enough would show their disgruntlement with the bad decisions Pony tail Boy and the Dev's have made then they will finally listen and save this once great game. The truly frustrating thing is the apologists, like yourself who do the dirty work for Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's,  by trying to silence, with meaningless drivel and excuses for the Dev's, those that are trying to save something they care about.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Also if you play the HTML5 version, it is running MM.

HTML5 is not running MM.

 

I see your confusion. You see I'm not a Tanki is dead crusader. I'm a unite against what the Dev's are doing crusader, because I truly loved playing this game and have seen it go from a once great game to a shadow of it's former glory due to bad decisions and mismanagement of the game.

Tomato - tomato. Regardless, who are you to know what is best for the game? This sounds like a very cheeky question, yes. But in all honesty, ask yourself, what will keep the game relevant and producing revenue in 2018? Tanki used to be a niche game. It still is. Keeping it that way would result in death. Notice how most of the recent updates are geared towards making it more modern, more appealing to the current market.

[Guest]

Everyone hates change, no matter what it is. 

[XR400 2]

The mere fact that I'm getting "The server you are trying to connect to is temporarily unavailable.  Please try again later..." tells me that it's dying.  If I can't play, it's dead...

 

[Guest]

The mere fact that I'm getting "The server you are trying to connect to is temporarily unavailable.  Please try again later..." tells me that it's dying.  If I can't play, it's dead...

I don't have any server issues. Check http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=372598 to see if you are affected.

[lukey0 27,543]

Everyone hates change, no matter what it is. 

And not adapting to the current gaming market will lead a game to it's closure. We may not like change, but it has to happen.

 

The mere fact that I'm getting "The server you are trying to connect to is temporarily unavailable.  Please try again later..." tells me that it's dying.  If I can't play, it's dead...

That is just a server issue, any game no matter how popular can experience it. 

[DRAKO523 795]

save this once great game.

Tanki has nearly been around for 10 years. All games start to fad in these times. And you're a high rank are you sure it's these "Updates" that are ruining your game-play experience or is it just the fact that Tanki is just not working for you anymore - meaning it's becoming boring because you have been playing it for a few  years. But now are you truly upset about the updates, or is it the fact that the game is getting boring for you, take sometime to think about that before laying blame on the updates, like it has been stated many times in this topic the game needs to keep changing and adapting into it's new state otherwise it will not be profitable for the market they need to change it, but that "can't be done without changing the good old Tanki" and a few other posts in here as well I've read that dev's have made all these mistakes - That I must disagree on, yes they have made a few mistakes and admitted it but from my point of view the biggest mistake they made was leaving Tanki off to die back in 2015, and those few dev's who didn't leave have been managing the game for awhile and have been doing quit while, but due to all the lack of change I have belief that all the inactivity was not good at all, the game would have gone bankrupt in 2015, we all know this, but why do we still linger in the game's past problems and not look forward to the future, and I also highly doubt players have left the game because of "Bad Updates" like it was stated a few times in this topic, user's in Tanki do have the out-side world and maybe wanted to settle down for a bit. I've seen a few of my past friends I use to play with leave Tanki I asked them was it because of these "Updates" and nearly all of them told me no - "Tanki is just getting boring for me now, my time has come to leave the game I have made my way to Legend, gotten almost all turrets/hulls. Now it's my time to move on within life, settle down."Simply because they've gotten where they wanted too, and have finished the game.

 

@ThirdOnion You're cruising in this topic buddy  :ph34r:

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by DRAKO523

[Winters 214]

Well, I think the devs are trying to make an effort to keep the game going. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the game is dying.

[Hancho 3,902]

The mere fact that I'm getting "The server you are trying to connect to is temporarily unavailable.  Please try again later..." tells me that it's dying.  If I can't play, it's dead...

You see what I mean, comments like these, nobody should pay attention towards them, it triggers me a lot because they speak non-sense just to comment something useless without any logic. 

 

I kinda miss when I had to wait to join any server because it used to be full; for example Server 1-2, used to be filled with good players. Thing is, servers have been divided into sections such as EU, RU, DE and PL servers right? Hence why we don't see many people in battles because they play in their own server, or am I wrong here? 

[Dliver 436]

Tomato - tomato. Regardless, who are you to know what is best for the game? This sounds like a very cheeky question, yes. But in all honesty, ask yourself, what will keep the game relevant and producing revenue in 2018? Tanki used to be a niche game. It still is. Keeping it that way would result in death. Notice how most of the recent updates are geared towards making it more modern, more appealing to the current market.

And yet the number of players keeps dwindling. Who am I to know what is best for the game? I'm nobody, I've just my opinion as to what needs to be done just like the Dev's have their opinions. It's also an opinion that I have echoed and has been echoed by many other long time players. The Dev's have also had an opinion as to what should be done and they've implemented it and all we've seen from that is a decline in players. Maybe just maybe it might be the time to listen to the opinions of the nobodies to save the game. Yes the game needs to change over time to stay relevant and fun. But Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's continue to implement unpopular change after unpopular change in the game instead of fixing the actual problems. It's been bling over substance.

 

I see now that the game is starting to have problems even peaking out at 25,000 players on any given day. How low does it have to go before you realize that maybe a change in direction needs to take place? But like I said, I'm just a nobody, what do I know.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Dliver

[Dliver 436]

Tanki has nearly been around for 10 years. All games start to fad in these times. And you're a high rank are you sure it's these "Updates" that are ruining your game-play experience or is it just the fact that Tanki is just not working for you anymore - meaning it's becoming boring because you have been playing it for a few years. But now are you truly upset about the updates, or is it the fact that the game is getting boring for you, take sometime to think about that before laying blame on the updates, like it has been stated many times in this topic the game needs to keep changing and adapting into it's new state otherwise it will not be profitable for the market they need to change it, but that "can't be done without changing the good old Tanki" and a few other posts in here as well I've read that dev's have made all these mistakes - That I must disagree on, yes they have made a few mistakes and admitted it but from my point of view the biggest mistake they made was leaving Tanki off to die back in 2015, and those few dev's who didn't leave have been managing the game for awhile and have been doing quit while, but due to all the lack of change I have belief that all the inactivity was not good at all, the game would have gone bankrupt in 2015, we all know this, but why do we still linger in the game's past problems and not look forward to the future, and I also highly doubt players have left the game because of "Bad Updates" like it was stated a few times in this topic, user's in Tanki do have the out-side world and maybe wanted to settle down for a bit. I've seen a few of my past friends I use to play with leave Tanki I asked them was it because of these "Updates" and nearly all of them told me no - "Tanki is just getting boring for me now, my time has come to leave the game I have made my way to Legend.....

 

Once again another who hasn't done his due diligence and shoots from the hip. If you had bothered to do just a little research you would have seen that I've been commenting on what the Dev's have been doing for years. Both the good and the bad. So I'm sure it's due to the bad updates that has motivated my comments not boredom.

 

It's interesting that you should mention about the reasons why your friends left the game. I've also had many leave the game and most of my friends left due to frustration with what the Dev's were doing which caused the game to not be fun, and yes, even boring to play. But they admitted it was due to the changes made by the Dev's not that the game had become boring on it's own. I guess we just run in different circles.

 

So in closing I would have to say you're right that a game needs to change and adapt to stay interesting and fun. All I'm pointing out is that Pony Tail Boy and the Dev's haven't been very good at figuring out how to accomplish that.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Dliver

[Viking4s 10,791]

Need I say more. If I'm not mistaken that is by definition a test. I also said it gave a taste of what could happen. I never said those tests were a finished product. Also if you play the HTML5 version, it is running MM.

HTML5 is not running MM, not yet. When MM is implemented it will be on all platforms, not just one.

 

The mere fact that I'm getting "The server you are trying to connect to is temporarily unavailable.  Please try again later..." tells me that it's dying.  If I can't play, it's dead...

If you are on Windows XP or use an non updated version of IE (before 11) you will encounter some issue do to the the swrcit form http to https - the developers are working on a solution. Follow the progress here:rProblems entering the game on WinXP