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So you are telling me, there will be people who loose 95 days of upgrading+455 900 crystals when this update rolls out?

You know how people play fire/wasp till they reach certain battle fund and they know gold will drop? Thats called free2play save the gold. If this system changes, you get insanely unlucky, then maybe your event may fail and people wont even bother to attend them in future? Buyer can setit up by a press of a button, while free players have to work for it. Now they will have to work for it and hope they will get lucky.

it won't be wasted if you still get to use that m4 XT as a m4 XT..

 

 

man there are so much easier ways to get golds for free... last haloween my friend got over 200 golds from missions...everyday he finished the goldbox mission, changed the second mission until it became another gold box mission, finished it and did it again with the third mission..

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You know how people play fire/wasp till they reach certain battle fund and they know gold will drop? Thats called free2play save the gold.

That's such an old strategy. Why not just wait until you get some free golds from containers and use those? Gold supplies aren't exactly hard to come by nowadays, even for free players.

 

So you are telling me, there will be people who loose 95 days of upgrading+455 900 crystals when this update rolls out?

Are you talking about XTs? Developers made it pretty clear that buying XT is a bad idea, hence why they never encouraged their purchase or upgrades with sales and stopped adding new XTs. So if you bought an XT and upgraded it to M4, while already having a standard M4 version of the item in your garage, then you did so at your own risk and there's no reason to give you compensation for the crystals you wasted.

 

Besides, you don't actually lose anything. If you have an M4 XT now, you will still have an M4 XT after the update.

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Hah. Have you heard the old beast thunder? And there is reason i say old... Cause now its like throwing a paper plane. I have thunder m3 12/20 and im literaly doing no damage. Its like 400 per shot. Some m2 guys, who spend money on this, obviously non-pay2win game, can do more damage! Even m0 guys do!

So yeh... If you spend enough money you dont need to invest time in upgrading MU's, just play with m0 and deal more damage. 

 

I looked at stats just now, yep :D m0 thunder on drugs deal more damage than my 12/20 m3 thunder :D

DD does the same for all weapons... Shaft m0 = 1500.  Shaft M4 = 3000... m0 + DD = 3000

 

let's duel.  2 choices of turrets (m3 thunder / m3 smoky) and 2 choices of ranges ( 60m / 140 m )

one person picks turret, other range.  You go first...

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it won't be wasted if you still get to use that m4 XT as a m4 XT..

 

 

man there are so much easier ways to get golds for free... last haloween my friend got over 200 golds from missions...everyday he finished the goldbox mission, changed the second mission until it became another gold box mission, finished it and did it again with the third mission..

Actually, it is wasted, if someone who spent 455900 less crystals than you can do the excat same thing.

As far as i know its only 1 gold mission per day, if you had one, you cant get another one. Also, he had to pay crystals, which can be earned only in unbalanced battles, to change the missions. And how many golds per quest he did got? Based on what you said, he got more than 11 gold boxes per 1 quest, 3 missions in a single day, every day. I dont really believe that story. 33+ gold boxes in 1 day is quite a lot.

 

Are you talking about XTs? Developers made it pretty clear that buying XT is a bad idea, hence why they never encouraged their purchase or upgrades with sales and stopped adding new XTs. So if you bought an XT and upgraded it to M4, while already having a standard M4 version of the item in your garage, then you did so at your own risk and there's no reason to give you compensation for the crystals you wasted.

 

Besides, you don't actually lose anything. If you have an M4 XT now, you will still have an M4 XT after the update.

:D They made it pretty clear by letting players buy them, making them in the first place etc... Yep, made it pretty clear.

Tanki said they will make XT's into skins since they released them, which was almost full 3 years ago!

Also the dream tank contest which lets you choose your dream tank and gets it fully upgraded. I bet most people took XT items. Now half of their reward will be removed.

People pay real money to have XT's, if you plan to steal from them legally, just put a sign which tell them they are wasting your money. I cant sell you a house and get it flattened 10 minutes after you buy it from me, can i? By tanki logic its completelly fine to sell the product and then destroy it.

And again... If i have m4 hornet and XT+ hornet, after the update i wont get m5 hornet, but still the same m4 hornet, which means all upgrades spent on XT's will be gone.

 

Also, if tankionline NEVER placed discounts on XT's, where is the problem refunding them? They know the precise number the person used to get the item, unless they cant keep track of what people are doing in their game, like how often i speeded up the upgrade. So for people who waited 95 days and spent 445900 crystals, they should atleast get the crystals back. If they used speedups, then refund the cost of each step. Thats what company with ethics would do, not tanki.

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Also the dream tank contest which lets you choose your dream tank and gets it fully upgraded. I bet most people took XT items. Now half of their reward will be removed.


Wait a minute. You're talking about losing crystals you spent. Dream tanks are a free reward, and after the update they will still have their M4 XT, so they don't lose anything.

 

People pay real money to have XT's, if you plan to steal from them legally, just put a sign which tell them they are wasting your money. I cant sell you a house and get it flattened 10 minutes after you buy it from me, can i? By tanki logic its completelly fine to sell the product and then destroy it.
And again... If i have m4 hornet and XT+ hornet, after the update i wont get m5 hornet, but still the same m4 hornet, which means all upgrades spent on XT's will be gone.


Again, you don't lose anything. After the update you will still have your normal M4 tank and your XT M4 tank. only now they will be merged into one item so that the garage is easier to use. Your examples are completely irrelevant.

 

Also, if tankionline NEVER placed discounts on XT's, where is the problem refunding them?


What is there to refund? If you wanted to have an M4 XT despite already having a normal M4, then it was your choice to waste crystals on it. You got the M4 XT item early on and you got the chance to use it. And once again, after the update you still have the same M4 XT, so there is no reason to refund anything.

 

I can see why people are asking for refunds when it comes to the module changes, but refunds for the XT merge are total nonsense.

 

Thats what company with ethics would do, not tanki.


I don't know which companies you're talking about, but from personal experience, any company that offers refunds has extremely strict rules regarding that. For example, the item cannot have been damaged/opened/used, you have to have the original receipt, the refund must happen within a certain number of days after purchase, etc.
Offering any kind of refund is a very risky move for any business, so they would avoid doing it unless absolutely necessary. And in this case it isn't necessary at all.

 

I will remind you again that after the last time (the only time) when we got massive refunds, the game's economy suffered such a massive decline that the battle funds had to be reduced by 50% for almost a year in order to force people to buy crystals.

 

 

Actually, it is wasted, if someone who spent 455900 less crystals than you can do the excat same thing.
As far as i know its only 1 gold mission per day, if you had one, you cant get another one. Also, he had to pay crystals, which can be earned only in unbalanced battles, to change the missions. And how many golds per quest he did got? Based on what you said, he got more than 11 gold boxes per 1 quest, 3 missions in a single day, every day. I dont really believe that story. 33+ gold boxes in 1 day is quite a lot.


You can get up to three identical missions per day (i.e. three missions with gold rewards). And for Legends, those Halloween missions gave 12 gold boxes, allowing players to get 36 gold boxes per day for free, with something like 260 total potential free golds. I got around 140 myself, mostly because I had a mission slot taken up by a super misson, so I only did at most 2 per day.
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2 more days until we get some answers.

 

Lots of good discusssion here. Was the week’s wait just to drum up interest? Stir up the player base? Or is the staff actually reading and adapting their approach based on our reaction?

 

We’ll see soon.

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It's not great once you get to M3 and above where unlock level is same for all turrets. 

 

During re-balance a lot of parameters were nerfed, including re-load and critical.  It has terrible "weak damage" (10%) so it stinks at long range.  The effective range (where Smoky is as good or better than other turrets) is such a small band.

 

The close range turrets are obviously better at point blank range.  But Ricco deals damage so much faster even at medium range, and even twins and hammer can beat it at short-med range.  Don't even try to use it at longest ranges - you'll notice you just tickle the enemy.

 

So it's effective range is basically the mid-to-long band of Medium range.  And this is quite narrow.

 

 

Hey , i was thinking about getting M3 smoky , buy Paladin kit

So , should i drop it and go for Another turret ?

I will alredy  have M3 rico then 

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I've updated my Quad Module Idea, if anyone cares...

 

 

 

 

Quad Module Idea

 

 

 

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This idea consists of 1 module with 4 blank protections slots for you to select any protection you want for each slot.
 
Each slot/protection will have a maximum of 40% resistance. You can adjust protection resistances anyway you want within the limits.
 
The M0 module will have 40 Micro Upgrade steps; the M1 another 40; M2 another 40; and M3 the same; for a total of 160 steps. Each Micro Upgrade step is equivalent to 1% protection.
 
You get the M0 Module for free at Recruit with 4 empty protection slots all with 0% protection. You get the other Module modifications for free at different ranks.
 
You can Micro Upgrade the M0 Module to 40%; the M1 to 80%; the M2 to 120%; and the M3 to 160%.
 
Step one would be the cheapest, 10 or 100 crystals, and step 160 would be the most expensive.
 
You can't buy modifications only Micro Upgrade.
 
You can change the percentage values of each slot, for example, if you have 40% total you can have those 40% in one slot/protection, or divide it 20-20 into two slot/protection, or divide it 10-10-10-10, or anyway you want.
 
Conversion:
 
This system could have the same value as the current system, thus making the conversion easier. Or devs could make it cheaper.
 
Tanki would value the current system at M3 level with it's 60 triple modules then use that as the basis to map the value of all the set of modules players have in their garage, including other modifications, Legacy, Single and Doubles.
 
Since the current system has about 60 Triple Modules, a player that has 60 M3+ Modules would get a fully Micro Upgraded Module with 160 steps, in other words that player would have 4 slot/protections with 40% each.
 
Those that don't have any modules would get 0 steps.
 
Devs could decide to use a lower standard than the 60 Triple Modules.
 
 
PS: All this is just my suggestion.

 

 

 

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Wait a minute. You're talking about losing crystals you spent. Dream tanks are a free reward, and after the update they will still have their M4 XT, so they don't lose anything.

And if they had regular m3 item with upgrades, they loose the crystals they invested! Is all staff like you? Cause im really wondering how the hell u got forum mod with this set of brains. 2+2=/=2! people who have upgraded regular m3 and xt will loose crystals! Tanki could be generous like other games, but again, this is tanki.

 

Again, you don't lose anything. After the update you will still have your normal M4 tank and your XT M4 tank. only now they will be merged into one item so that the garage is easier to use. Your examples are completely irrelevant.

And thats the point! If you have regular m4 and full XT, after update it will be regular m4 with a XT skin! All XT upgrades will be gone, unless people will get 40/20 upgraded equipment. 20+20=40, but tanki is making it 20+20=20 (Microupgrades)

 

What is there to refund? If you wanted to have an M4 XT despite already having a normal M4, then it was your choice to waste crystals on it. You got the M4 XT item early on and you got the chance to use it. And once again, after the update you still have the same M4 XT, so there is no reason to refund anything.

Maybe the crystals people spent on XT's? Maybe those could be refunded? I dont think you want to understand, or youre just covering tanki.

20MU+20MU =/= 20MU, but thats how ure putting it.

 

I can see why people are asking for refunds when it comes to the module changes, but refunds for the XT merge are total nonsense.

You have hull which costs... 200 000 crystals, youve spent around 200 000 crystals upgrading it to m4. Now you buy the same hull worth 500 000 crystals and start upgrading it. You spend 445900 to upgrade it. Now update comes and your 1 milion worth hull becomes worth only 500 000, because people who spent 500 000 crystals will get the same stuff as you did for 2x more. Again, the same example, i sell you a house and 10 minutes later it gets flattened.

I don't know which companies you're talking about, but from personal experience, any company that offers refunds has extremely strict rules regarding that. For example, the item cannot have been damaged/opened/used, you have to have the original receipt, the refund must happen within a certain number of days after purchase, etc.

Offering any kind of refund is a very risky move for any business, so they would avoid doing it unless absolutely necessary. And in this case it isn't necessary at all.

Yes, thats for money refunds, but when they are removing something from you, without your opinion, then the non-damaged rules dont count in. When rockstar messed up GTA SA, they didnt just remove the game and let the players do their thing, they paid them back, because it was rockstar who called off the game.

When paladins (Game by Hi-Rez) removes something, they always refund. Last patch they removed VIPstore, we got refunded with containers, few more patches ago they made set of skins, so they had to remove parts system, for every piece you owned i got refunded. Few more patches ago they made a card system which failed, so they had to remove it, i got 2 milion gold from that patch and loads of crystals, just because i wasnt the one to choose what gets removed, but they did. They chose it and they paid me back.

I will remind you again that after the last time (the only time) when we got massive refunds, the game's economy suffered such a massive decline that the battle funds had to be reduced by 50% for almost a year in order to force people to buy crystals.

Then how about... Dont make stupid decisions? no, im not talking about refunding, but forcing people to buy. Make some paints which costs 20 euros and are limited time exclussives, people will buy them! Oh, i almost forgot, this is tanki. Pay2win for life...

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I've updated my Quad Module Idea, if anyone cares...

 

 

 

 

 

I like this idea. 40% is a reasonable limit for 4 way protection.

 

I’m a bit skeptical of lower modifications being able to upgrade via MU to 40%.

 

That said, I would gladly trade my coveted 4-way Lumberjack, which tops out at 45% for three turrets and something like 15% for the fourth for a 40% 4-way. Any day.

 

Prices for this capability must be very high, like hey are for the LGC modules today.

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Wait a minute. You're talking about losing crystals you spent. Dream tanks are a free reward, and after the update they will still have their M4 XT, so they don't lose anything.

And if they had regular m3 item with upgrades, they loose the crystals they invested! Is all staff like you? Cause im really wondering how the hell u got forum mod with this set of brains. 2+2=/=2! people who have upgraded regular m3 and xt will loose crystals! Tanki could be generous like other games, but again, this is tanki.

 

Again, you don't lose anything. After the update you will still have your normal M4 tank and your XT M4 tank. only now they will be merged into one item so that the garage is easier to use. Your examples are completely irrelevant.

And thats the point! If you have regular m4 and full XT, after update it will be regular m4 with a XT skin! All XT upgrades will be gone, unless people will get 40/20 upgraded equipment. 20+20=40, but tanki is making it 20+20=20 (Microupgrades)

 

What is there to refund? If you wanted to have an M4 XT despite already having a normal M4, then it was your choice to waste crystals on it. You got the M4 XT item early on and you got the chance to use it. And once again, after the update you still have the same M4 XT, so there is no reason to refund anything.

Maybe the crystals people spent on XT's? Maybe those could be refunded? I dont think you want to understand, or youre just covering tanki.

20MU+20MU =/= 20MU, but thats how ure putting it.

 

I can see why people are asking for refunds when it comes to the module changes, but refunds for the XT merge are total nonsense.

You have hull which costs... 200 000 crystals, youve spent around 200 000 crystals upgrading it to m4. Now you buy the same hull worth 500 000 crystals and start upgrading it. You spend 445900 to upgrade it. Now update comes and your 1 milion worth hull becomes worth only 500 000, because people who spent 500 000 crystals will get the same stuff as you did for 2x more. Again, the same example, i sell you a house and 10 minutes later it gets flattened.

I don't know which companies you're talking about, but from personal experience, any company that offers refunds has extremely strict rules regarding that. For example, the item cannot have been damaged/opened/used, you have to have the original receipt, the refund must happen within a certain number of days after purchase, etc.

Offering any kind of refund is a very risky move for any business, so they would avoid doing it unless absolutely necessary. And in this case it isn't necessary at all.

Yes, thats for money refunds, but when they are removing something from you, without your opinion, then the non-damaged rules dont count in. When rockstar messed up GTA SA, they didnt just remove the game and let the players do their thing, they paid them back, because it was rockstar who called off the game.

When paladins (Game by Hi-Rez) removes something, they always refund. Last patch they removed VIPstore, we got refunded with containers, few more patches ago they made set of skins, so they had to remove parts system, for every piece you owned i got refunded. Few more patches ago they made a card system which failed, so they had to remove it, i got 2 milion gold from that patch and loads of crystals, just because i wasnt the one to choose what gets removed, but they did. They chose it and they paid me back.

I will remind you again that after the last time (the only time) when we got massive refunds, the game's economy suffered such a massive decline that the battle funds had to be reduced by 50% for almost a year in order to force people to buy crystals.

Then how about... Dont make stupid decisions? no, im not talking about refunding, but forcing people to buy. Make some paints which costs 20 euros and are limited time exclussives, people will buy them! Oh, i almost forgot, this is tanki. Pay2win for life...

 

Unlike multiply modules, fully MUing XT doesn't give you any advantage. It's simply a fancy version of classic one.

Owning 2 modules fully MUed, both sharing railgun and thunder protection (third one is different) are 2 unique and powerfull pieces of equipment, unlike a normal and XT M4.

It was mentioned long time ago, XT's will eventually transfered to skins (yes, at that time, it wasn't anything certain), but it was repeated a few times recently, that skins are coming, coming, coming, XT missions were removed, etc... If you bought and MUed a XT, while already owning classic M4, you did it at "own risk", since you knew, something will happen to them, and since you already own a M4, you are simply buying a very expensive skin. If you upgraded the XT long time ago, maybe a year or two, you got what you wanted, driving around in fancy full MU XT, being something more than a random regular player who can hardly get the classic M4, or you simply just liked the design, and wanted to use it, so you payed for the extra.

What happens now? You still keep the extra. You had no advantage over normal players before, and still don't. If you say, now some players got a free M4 XT, because they have M4 and M3 XT, but you payed twice for the same thing (even more), it's true. But did anyone force you to do it? You enjoyed the M4 XT before the other players could, and payed extra for that.

 

In short

-"people will get the same as me, even tho I payed twice more" - they will get the same NOW, while you had it BEFORE, and it was said a bunch of times, repeated, so that people know it will happen soon, and MUing both normal and XT may be a waste of crystals, as you say.

-nothing gets taken away from you, you still have the same thing, and it doesn't change the fact that guy over there was worse than you, he still is.

-it's not 2+2=2 it's " '2' OR '2' =2 "

 

I have similar problem, I will probably loose my M1 wasp I use for parkour, because I own XT M4 wasp (which I bought for battles). I bought it and quite quickly MUed over a year ago, but I knew  this conversion will happen one day, I bought it, because I wanted to use wasp M4 for battles, AND keep M1 for parkour - even if I spent that half million and loose either M4 or M1 few months later. Well, I enjoyed both for a year, and I'm happy I did it, whatever is gonna happen.

 

I guess I mostly repeated what maf said, and if that wasn't enough, oh well, you probably won't take this :/

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You have hull which costs... 200 000 crystals, youve spent around 200 000 crystals upgrading it to m4. Now you buy the same hull worth 500 000 crystals and start upgrading it.


I don't see why anyone would want to do that. To me the idea of eventually merging XTs and normal items was pretty obvious from the start, so I never bought XTs for which I already have M4 versions of normal turrets. If you so desperately wanted to have an M4 XT item before this merge happened and got an M4 XT despite having normal M4, then what can I say...

 

Your whole argument rotates around the idea that people paid for the same thing twice, and now this double payment is not being refunded. I understand your logic, but unfortunately for players, that's not how refunds work. Like I said - a refund would make sense if something was actually taken away from players, but in reality all that's happening is that your garage will be neater and easier to use. You still have your M4 normal and M4 XT, while the crystals you spent upgrading both of them are already spent and gone. Don't dwell on that and move on.

 

 

In short
-"people will get the same as me, even tho I payed twice more" - they will get the same NOW, while you had it BEFORE, and it was said a bunch of times, repeated, so that people know it will happen soon, and MUing both normal and XT may be a waste of crystals, as you say.
-nothing gets taken away from you, you still have the same thing, and it doesn't change the fact that guy over there was worse than you, he still is.
-it's not 2+2=2 it's " '2' OR '2' =2 "


Precisely. Great way of phrasing it.

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i asked this question a lot i know but... i have viking xt but not viking m3 im just worried tanki will forget about the people with xt( especially me since im not a buyer and i have it)

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i asked this question a lot i know but... i have viking xt but not viking m3 im just worried tanki will forget about the people with xt( especially me since im not a buyer and i have it)

If you got "Viking M3 XT", after conversion you will have Viking M3 with both standard and XT skins. If you had upgraded your XT, those upgrades will be transferred as well. 

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Actually, it is wasted, if someone who spent 455900 less crystals than you can do the excat same thing.

As far as i know its only 1 gold mission per day, if you had one, you cant get another one. Also, he had to pay crystals, which can be earned only in unbalanced battles, to change the missions. And how many golds per quest he did got? Based on what you said, he got more than 11 gold boxes per 1 quest, 3 missions in a single day, every day. I dont really believe that story. 33+ gold boxes in 1 day is quite a lot.

it is not wasted, you bought something and you keep what you paid for.. just because other people get it for free and you don't doesn't mean what you paid for was wasted. and you got to use M4 xt before they can.. it's like speed ups, pay more to use upgraded equipment earlier.. what about those who paid 1.35million crystals to get m4 XT with speed ups... their crystals got wasted cause you only paid 455900 crystals to get the same ting?? hell no, they got it before you.

 

yea.. as far as you know... and you know nothing..

 

you just showed that you really didn't know anything... those missions had to be completed in haloween map, which were all DM.. unbalanced DM? during that time there was 10x gold and triple battle funds... that was more than enough to cover for the cost of changing the missions a couple hundred times over... my friend made over 500k from those haloween battles and the golds he caught while doing those missions..

 

11 cause he was gissmo

 

he got 90-100 kills in every battle, with premium he saved from a promo code he won in a russian newspaper contest... he got 33 gold boxes within a couple hours every day..

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it is not wasted, you bought something and you keep what you paid for.. just because other people get it for free and you don't doesn't mean what you paid for was wasted. and you got to use M4 xt before they can.. it's like speed ups, pay more to use upgraded equipment earlier.. what about those who paid 1.35million crystals to get m4 XT with speed ups... their crystals got wasted cause you only paid 455900 crystals to get the same ting?? hell no, they got it before you. 

That's the other thing I kept trying to say, but didn't figure out a way to phrase it :P

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Been waiting for so long, exactly 6 days :ph34r:

The question is. Drones = overdrive?

 

 

i'm very dissapointed at the way those drones look like.. looks like something from anime..

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can you dev's stop doing the same things as your doing in tanki x . the games are almost the same now besides the graphics. which leaves players little room to play or even want to play on the games. way too many similarity's now. its not interesting to play

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So I've got M4 Viking and normal XT viking with 6/20. After the update, XT viking will become M4?  :huh:

Basically yes. You'll have your viking m4 and an XT skin you can apply to your m4.

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So I've got M4 Viking and normal XT viking with 6/20. After the update, XT viking will become M4?  :huh:

My understanding is that after conversion you will have...

- M4 Viking (with normal graphics/skin)

- An XT (viking) skin that can be applied to your viking m4 in similar fashion to a paint - can be equipped or unequipped

 

- the viking M3 6/20 will be redundant - and will disappear from your garage.

 

Hey , i was thinking about getting M3 smoky , buy Paladin kit

So , should i drop it and go for Another turret ?

I will alredy  have M3 rico then 

If you have M3 Ricco I don't recommend getting Paladin Kit.  A good kit if starting m3s but - ricco and smoky are too similar.

 

You  are better off getting short or longer-range turret to give flexibility.

Or MU-ing your ricco, or other equipment.

Also highly recommend the MFS (long-range) alteration for Ricco. Makes it a much better turret overall.

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I don't know what to make of the idea of drones. Whatever it is I think they should be free at least in the beginning so if they don't help the game they get removed easily. It would be good if Drones replace Overdrive/s.

 

As a replacement of Overdrive we could get random items every 2 minutes and use them with Shift. Something like this would add new things to the game. One item could be a Shield, another could be teleportation gates. And the drones would be as an explanation.

 

Those that spent on XTs and non XTs could be compensate with credits for other XT skins or other equipment. Yes they are losing, but they are also getting a better system, and the game is getting better this way, they should let the game move forward.

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