Episode 171 of the V-LOG has rolled out!

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

S/he will have like 120 singles, if you remove 13 for the new system, you get 107. Now multiply 107 by 15k, you get 1,605,000 batteries. In crystals is over 16 million crystals. You judge.

i don't understand your calculations.. but the way i did it i estimated that he would get about 100k batteries assuming a battery costs 100 crystals..

 

100k battreies should be nothing to him.. and i don't think batteries are gonna be so cheap.. a repair kit already costs 150 crystals.. battries can increase the effect of repair kit + heal your teammates.. a battery can also activate 3 drugs the moment you spawn.. the 3 drugs already cost 150 crystals and you get to activate all 3 without smart cooldowns.. so a battery has to cost at least more than the minimum cost of the 3 drugs (50+50+50=150) I estimate a battery to cost about 500 crystals

Edited May 26, 2018 by GuidoFawkes

[Hancho 3,902]

No, the devs, and especially Hazel, are far too arrogant to listen to anyone. This is not the first time tanki has stolen from the players and it won't be the last. Every time the nerf your turret or your module or your hull they are stealing something you paid for. They have no conscience and no honor at all and do not care about the players except to milk them out of their money. This is just another money grab and that is all.

But that is what I've said . . . . .  lol 

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

i don't understand your calculations.. but the way i did it i estimated that he would get about 100k batteries assuming a battery costs 100 crystals..

 

100k battreies should be nothing to him.. and i don't think batteries are gonna be so cheap.. a repair kit already costs 150 crystals.. battries can increase the effect of repair kit + heal your teammates.. I estimate a battery to cost about 500 crystals

I think 500 crystal per battery would be too expensive for non-buyers.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I think 500 crystal per battery would be too expensive for non-buyers.

anything less would make the other drugs not worth to buy

[Musa 5,352]

The drones and their power supply are all sold for crystals, not money. Given how easy it is to obtain crystals nowadays, I'm pretty sure any free player will be able to afford these drones with relative ease. So while the drones are meant to bring more revenue, they are not explicitly a P2W feature.

Buy supplies > Play battle > Earn crystals > Buy supplies 

 

How will I upgrade my equipment then? To keep playing I need to regularly spend crystals/money and I hate it.

[Maf 32,300]

Buy supplies > Play battle > Earn crystals > Buy supplies 

 

How will I upgrade my equipment then? To keep playing I need to regularly spend crystals/money and I hate it.

You should be able to earn enough crystals to top up your supply reserves on top of what you get from missions, as well as have quite a bit left over for upgrades. Of course you also need to be smart about how and when you spend your crystals.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

1) People blinding defending tanki by pushing for the fact that money is NOT on the forefront of their mind - clearly they are choosing to ignore the obvious. You simply have to look at the track record - "tanki are changing things up", "the game needs to evolve", "new players need to be able to enjoy the game" are all secondary reasons to a primary one. I don't think its ignorance, I think its delusion. It's no surprise that most of these players are moderators. And as a former moderator myself, I won't be ashamed to admit that!

There are two ways to make money from a game: one is to milk players of every bit of cash they have and then kill the game, and the other is to continue developing the game actively, a side effect of which is that players may not like the changes. Which one would you prefer?

Edited May 26, 2018 by ThirdOnion

[E-T-H-E-R-E-A-L 10]

There are two ways to make money from a game: one is to milk players of every bit of cash they have and then kill the game, and the other is to continue developing the game actively, a side effect of which is that players may not like the changes. Which one would you prefer?

The second option :) However, I think you have unintentionally missed the irony of your statement, because Tanki is doing exactly the first!

 

It's not about personal preference for the updates or changes. Stop and think for a moment - how would you feel if Tanki took away your best turret and hull for the sake of "change" and gave you consumables (supplies) as compensation? Nowadays with daily missions supplies are worthless! That is not much different to what Tanki is doing now. Those who spent millions creating their garage of paints so that they could have more combinations to play in game, suddenly have that stripped away without proper reimbursement.

 

Just see the track record, though my previous posts - too many that I can't be bothered to mention them all. But it's a constant theme. For example, they advertise a special paint as a one-off purchase, then hey-ho they put it in containers! Is that not misleading those players who bought the paint because it was advertised to them as a special one-off purchase? How long do you think Tanki had this change in protection modules in mind? Don't you think they should have bothered to tell us earlier - and not a few weeks before release?

 

If you had read my original post, you would have realised it is not the change per se that I am upset about - it is a matter of trust, honesty and respect for the community, especially those who have invested most into the game.

 

The update may not affect you - but it sure as hell stings for those who have been most invested and loyal in the game!

Edited May 26, 2018 by E-T-H-E-R-E-A-L

[SEB_MP 48]

Legacy modules will be removed ? like seriously ? No thanks, i'm good. This is a blatant rip-off. I spent tons of crystals upgrading Clay,Rock,Tiger and Africa, all of em are maxed out!

Enjoy watching all your hard-earned crystals go away or replaced with some absurd useless supplies.

I agree with this: plus why not refund us with crustal and let's us choose what to do with it (buy batteries, or hulls... ).

but force us to take Batteries, that's absurd, and it's not fair deal Protection Modules vs Some Drugs.

 

You can calculate how many crystal we spend at Micro-upgrades of protection modules   (50% - 70%) and give us Crystal as refund.

[r_UNPKO0 7]

The second option :) However, I think you have unintentionally missed the irony of your statement, because Tanki is doing exactly the first!

 

It's not about personal preference for the updates or changes. Stop and think for a moment - how would you feel if Tanki took away your best turret and hull for the sake of "change" and gave you consumables (supplies) as compensation? Nowadays with daily missions supplies are worthless! That is not much different to what Tanki is doing now. Those who spent millions creating their garage of paints so that they could have more combinations to play in game, suddenly have that stripped away without proper reimbursement.

 

Just see the track record, though my previous posts - too many that I can't be bothered to mention them all. But it's a constant theme. For example, they advertise a special paint as a one-off purchase, then hey-ho they put it in containers! Is that not misleading those players who bought the paint because it was advertised to them as a special one-off purchase? How long do you think Tanki had this change in protection modules in mind? Don't you think they should have bothered to tell us earlier - and not a few weeks before release?

 

If you had read my post properly, you would have realised it is not the change that I am upset about - it is a matter of trust, honesty and respect for the community, especially those who have invested most into the game.

 

The update may not affect you - but it sure as hell stings for those who have been most invested and loyal in the game!

Exactly !  That's why I am losing interest on this game. I won't know how my garage will be few weeks from now and again few months from now. Things will become totally different from what I am having and that's not I am expecting. I stopped playing since I have watched the V-Log. I did think I may keep playing until the changes come but I am really not able to take these changes. I will stop playing sooner or later; why I keep spending time on it. I can see that they don't care our comments. They keep saying it is good and the game is better with all the changes. May be some kids would think that when they have the drones they can kill more. It is actually in a reverse way. First, everyone can have drones, not just you. The advantages given you by drones also given to those using drones. They cancel out each other. You can have advantage only if you put lots of crystals/money to MU everything in your garage. Second, if you don't use drones but others do, you will be subjected to a disadvantage situation. What to do for better play is to invest to drone. It is some sort of "forced" to do in passive means.

[Skepta 405]

This game is too far gone now... Every single update is done behind our backs with the only intent of grabbing money from people or backstabbing the tankers who have been playing this game loyally since the start

 

 

might as well leave while we can... not wasting any more hours on this disrespectful game 

 

~Goldie  Jun 2014 -  May 2018 

Edited May 26, 2018 by GoldWarlock

[TO_King 818]

(If I was listening correctly) 8 VS 8 Coming so Why don't they add My Our Favorite map in the matchmaking system

Please add Noise map in matchmaking system so I can be more active because it's my favorite map = I shall play more.

 

 

[TO_King 818]

 

What if...

I will not use Drones so the battery is useless for me Which means you should give me crystals instead of giving batteries or make batteries refund able so I can get crystals from useless batteries in case I don't want to use drones.

[Maf 32,300]

What if...

I will not use Drones so the battery is useless for me Which means you should give me crystals instead of giving batteries or make batteries refund able so I can get crystals from useless batteries in case I don't want to use drones.

It's been said here multiple times - a crystal refund is impossible since it would crash the game's economy.

 

If you don't want to use drones - your choice. Similarly, you don't have to use supplies, paints, modules, etc. Yet developers won't be able to give you crystals as compensation for every item you don't like/need.

[FreshBeat 26]

I think the Mobile version is ruining the PC version.  I believe they should be 2 different platforms. PC changed icons to look like toddler symbols for mobile version.  It is changing modules system for mobile device app. to make it simplified for hand held device. So, the idea we PC players are going to play on a tablet or phone is ridiculous.  I think they should not combine the 2.  Just let the Mobile players start from scratch.  Have seperate platforms. Just a totally different game. It is nice they are trying to include TO pc users to it.  But most will not play it.  Mobile Games make money off things they are suggesting like batteries or supplies.  It looks like they are trying to make it like the game a money pit for mobile users, and trying to get us to buy into it without a TO PC consumer panel.  Mobile games are mostly for young young kiddos. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by FreshBeat

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I don't have any duplicate protections, but even if I did these batteries would be a waste. I'm just a major and I get supplies faster than I can use them. By the time I got around to buying a drone, I would have gotten 1000+ batteries (assuming its another 50c supply) from chains and thus the bonus supplies are worthless. 

You know all this at this level of detail how?  You don't is the answer. Some players will "get around to buying a drone"  1 minunte after they log on the first time post-update/  These will be players with many batteries in stock. Looks like you should read teh definition of "worthless" because this ain't it.

 

 

Eh, I clearly demonstrated you lose crystals from this update if you have upwards of 20 modules.  And if you wanna discuss grades sure

And I clearly said on these sort of conversions it is unrealistic to expect more than 20 - 30 cents on the dollar?

 

Go your math "grades" allow you to understand what 20 cents on the dollar means? Hint: It is a word problem.

 

If your math skills were anywhere in danger of being in the >99.9% population then you'd know ANY POSITIVE NUMBER > ZERO.

 

If your reading skills were up there you see I did not say players like you would get a full 1 Cry for 1 Cry compensation, I said you would get MORE THAN NOTHING.. And you are. You are getting batteries that other players will not. So you are getting something for your investment, not the "nothing", "useless", and "worthless" claims that are being pouted about on this forum.

 

Something > nothing... capicje?

[lordmostafa 3,821]

(If I was listening correctly) 8 VS 8 Coming so Why don't they add My Our Favorite map in the matchmaking system

Please add Noise map in matchmaking system so I can be more active because it's my favorite map = I shall play more.

Merged.

 

We still don't know which maps will be included in MMS, so it's pointless to suggest they add maps that could already be selected. Perhaps after the update is released and the map you like isn't there, post it in the update topic with reasons why you think it should be added :)

[FreshBeat 26]

Tanki should have Transparency, and have live discussions with PC users that are active in today's game play.   This is more of dictatorship with the latest Vlog dictating to us what we can or can't do in bite size segments.   Very unhappy with TO marketing department and human resource team.  This day and age we should have clear transparency to games we sink money into especially if its internationally. 

[LittleWillie 3,199]

It's been said here multiple times - a crystal refund is impossible since it would crash the game's economy.

 

If you don't want to use drones - your choice. Similarly, you don't have to use supplies, paints, modules, etc. Yet developers won't be able to give you crystals as compensation for every item you don't like/need.

Beleive it or not there are still players who fill chat with comments like "So and so is a drugger!" If I am in the mood I reply, "oh yeah well you're a protection moduler!". 

 

Both supplies and protection modules are optional items in the game but they are in the game. You have to equip a hull and a turret but no one forces you to use supplies or a module. But here in TO there are many players who get pantie-twisted if other players play the game as it is designed and coded. SMH

 

I've long said the supplies system in TO is simplistic and could be more interesting but I never denied supplies exist. Now TO is introducing drones which will apparently adds a level of complexity to supplies use. So this is what many players have asked for for a long time. Yet we have people claiming they will never use drones. SMH. I guess "droner" will become the next battle cry of the loser.

 

If you do not want to play TO after drones go live that is entirely reasonable.  But if you continue playing and refuse to use a major section of the game, or expect other players to also forego that... that is what is not comprehendable.

[FreshBeat 26]

 They make a different game and sell it as a separate product on a different website called ClonesOnline.  The pc game does not need to be turned into a Drone game.   This is a " TANK i " game not a Drone game.  They might as well have Air Force, and Navy added.  No need to complicate a good thing.  Just create new games and advertise them on forum, or on a VLOG.  They need to learn to create another online game.  Dang ! if others like that game better then others will play that online game too.  

Edited May 27, 2018 by FreshBeat

[wolverine848 13,097]

Its obvious to get an advantage bud.  Thats why you play to get crystals to upgrade and buy stuff.  From the looks of your garage you bought a bit of stuff for a legend 2 and you have been playing for a long while.  So obviously you have to have a m3 and upgrade to compete.  So the purpose is to get better.  Upgrading is getting better.  So, yes there would be frustration for players whom had played over a year to rank up and purchase alot b/c it is devasting to have much earned advantages taken away if they do.  So, I am not at all going to condemn people who complain that feel they are losing something when they are in their garage.  So in the begginning Everyone did start out on a even ground, and some get better and buy while other don't and their performance in battles suffer and gaining crystals suffer from losing much battles.. 

So, the refund will work, and the transfer of modules to new system by adding the Microgrades will help with the complaints some adding the drones in our garage..  

There's a difference between earning crystals to improve your tank versus having a Legacy product that is no longer available to anyone who joins the game. That being said compensation of a decent sort should be offered in return.  Not sure batteries are appropriate.

 

(some of) the changes being made are to make things simpler - like the adjustable module.  One big mistake was not doing this at same time as separating paints and protection.  Being corrected now - late of course.  This affects some negatively, and some positively.

 

Many things I'm not happy about (Overdrive  :angry: being one).  Not sure how  feel about MatchMaking (suks in Tanki-X) or these drones.

There have been too many changes over the past 2 years - I hope that slows down after this - some change is good but too much change? Not so much.

 

Tanki is like a race, you're always competing with others. AbsoluteZero has an advantage over you, but others may have an advantage over her/him. It's an arms race.

 

By working hard or spending money s/he's trying to stay competitive with other players that are doing the same. That also means having an advantage over others.

 

By playing smart I have some advantage over many, at mid to low ranks, but there are many others with better equipment than I and I lose battles.

 

Am I bad for seeking advantages? Or maybe advantages is not the goal by a byproduct of the arms race.

[austen_pierce 1,948]

First, I am in favor of this update. Custom modules have been needed in this game for a long time.

 

Second, LGC modules should also be removed. But...

 

...it is not the change per se that I am upset about - it is a matter of trust, honesty and respect for the community, especially those who have invested most into the game.

 

The update may not affect you - but it sure as hell stings for those who have been most invested and loyal in the game!

Third, This. LGC QUAD modules should NOT be removed. Quite simply, there aren’t that many players with these modules (unavailable for purchase since 2016). Why are designers even bothering? They are wildly overestimating the impact QUAD modules have on gameplay and the number of active player who own them. Why not honor the investment of those few players who A) have them and B) still play the game? :blink:

 

There is a lot of talk about QUAD modules giving an unfair advantage. Have those players not earned that advantage through their purchases? These are Tanki’s most loyal players and look at what they are getting. I have to ask myself why anyone new would want to start playing this game when the veterans are treated in this manner.

 

My suggestion is to make the change, but let players decide whether to split a given module. Players can then CHOOSE to split none, some, or all of their modules as they see fit. Why not give CHOICE??? This would show us and new players something very important - Respect.

 

Fourth, is it confirmed that 50% protection today will remain 50% protection after the update? Lots of mods have said so, but I don’t think actually I heard that in the VLog, so I’m nervous that 50% might no longer be possible.

 

Fifth, batteries. We heard earlier in this thread that batteries will be constantly consumed and not up to players to activate. IMO this is the sleeper aspect of this change which will cause the most disruption. We have to buy something we can’t control. I’ll have to learn more about this, but right now this is the part of the update I dread the most.

 

Of course you also need to be smart about how and when you spend your crystals.

How can we be smart about how we spend crystals when we don’t know what the designers will take away in the future?

[Tani_S 736]

Why don't the developers consider a quad module...

Maybe this answer from an older Vlog can help.

 

The v-log didn't say this 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest I don't get what you want to convey with this note. Imho this sentence can also be understand in that way, that it says 'if you have more upgrades, then you get more batteries'.

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I was thinking non buyers will eventually become less competitive to buyers. This because the Mission Update that gives you chain rewards even if you don't play frequently.

 

Then with the cost of the Drone system we'll be paying the Triple Chain Rewards and the new Chain Rewards with 4 containers. Just when I was thinking that we could have enough to maintain two combos and be more flexible in MM battles.

 

I know battle funds will increase and EXP will be slower, but logic tells me the Drone system will be expensive, because Tanki needs to create an incentive for players to spend real money. Nothing wrong with that.

 

But I don't like the Drones concept, which I think will give buyers even more advantages. that's why I wanted the new Module system to be as expensive as today's system to pay for our extra income, even if that meant a conversion based in value, but no Drones.

 

I hope I'm wrong with the Drones thing, and I'll try it with an open mind in the test servers.

Edited May 27, 2018 by r_Issimo2

[lewillem 0]

Facing the unknown, I'll stop buying and Mu my garage. I'll just hope that by then I'll get more reliable information about what will happen to my modules when they turn into something else. Looks like the butterfly is in its chrysalis. You never know how it will look until it's getting out of it. Maybe TO will tell us enough... soon enough, but so many ppl are pessimistic about that :P.