About how to promote and support a fair-play game style

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Some or the other person always joins but the problem is till that time they would already cap flags. ( I have played almost 100+ XP/BP battles including space mode)

 

Why tanki can't just add a fair-play setting to the game that no flag can be capped if teams are not equal as number of players, as well as kick anyone who has no score within 2 minutes, to prevent mult ans sabotage?

[jaydevjaydev 343]

Why tanki can't just add a fair-play setting to the game that no flag can be capped if teams are not equal as number of players, as well as kick anyone who has no score within 2 minutes, to prevent mult ans sabotage?

Today morning I was going to tell you this but then , this is not in our hands. Many have stated this idea but they are kind of ignoring it. 

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I can't support people to go take over a battle where maybe a team already took over a bunch of mult that have run. I can support a total fair play game from the scratch instead. 

only when you see for yourself that the battle is full of unfair players do you ask people to do the takeover.

 

the total fair play game you're talking about is basicaly esports. only difference is that the rewards come from you.

 

 

Why tanki can't just add a fair-play setting to the game that no flag can be capped if teams are not equal as number of players

This could easily be abused. say I am playing for blue team and someone from red team took my flag.. i instantly leave and he can't capture it... then after my friend tells me through discord that they got the flag back i join back again.

 

 

 as well as kick anyone who has no score within 2 minutes, to prevent mult ans sabotage?

2 isidas can run around take damage and heal each other. they get the score and they're still multing because they're not helping the team.

 

 

 

[N221 597]

Great idea, but would this fall under fair play? *if in the enemy team 3 members ran and one was left, and there was 1-2 flags left to finish. Wouldnt it be better to finish the game if noone joins in a minute?*

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Great idea, but would this fall under fair play? *if in the enemy team 3 members ran and one was left, and there was 1-2 flags left to finish. Wouldnt it be better to finish the game if noone joins in a minute?*

No, that does not fall under fair play and if you read carefully I even specified the situation in my initial post. Talking about anything else fair play here mostly in sandbox ctf xp m2. 

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

 

 

This could easily be abused. say I am playing for blue team and someone from red team took my flag.. i instantly leave and he can't capture it... then after my friend tells me through discord that they got the flag back i join back again.

 

 

 

It can't be abused so much if the game system will limit the player joining pro battles within a specified period of time , if player left ongoing battle x times within y time. For example if I left battle 3 times within one hour today, I should go rest next two days. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger

[N221 597]

No, that does not fall under fair play and if you read carefully I even specified the situation in my initial post. Talking about anything else fair play here mostly in sandbox ctf xp m2. 

Oh,sorry. i read the first post before i wrote that comment, thats why i said if 1 player remained and not the whole team running. But i understand it now. Well, at those ranks especially it will be hard to achieve fair play because players would want to finish battles so they can earn crystals.

Edited June 11, 2018 by N221

[jaydevjaydev 343]

It can't be abused so much if the game system will limit the player joining pro battles within a specified period of time , if player left ongoing battle x times within y time. For example if I left battle 3 times within one hour today, I should go rest next two days. 

 

 

Better suggestion , Pro battles have special button which can be activated while creating battle , "Balance Battles."

 

What this button does? If activated :

• Game will always be balanced. In case a player leaves the battle , the lowest person in the table gets a pause time until a new player joins. Player has option to communicate in main chat. Once a new player joins his wait time will be over and he will be allowed to play
• In case 2 or more players leave , same number of players from other team will have to face pause time.(lowest in the table)
• In case a person was paused in a battle , he would receive extra crystals apart from what he deserved on his score for unnecessary pause period 
• Each person can only join the battle twice until the battle ends. That is each player can leave and join again only once. Leaving again would ban the player from joining battle until the current battle ends.

What do you think about this? More features can be added if someone finds way to exploit the system

 

This button can be used in any sort of pro battles including format battles except Parkour

Edited June 11, 2018 by jaydevjaydev

[Potdindy 866]

I agree that especially in xpbp, players can be garbage and some games are ruined by this. One suggestion that I have thought of is to have a setting that will make all players pay a fund into the battle fund upon entering...say, maybe 50 crystals. Therefore, if they leave, they not only lose their fund but also that 50 that they added into the battle. Long polygon games where people come and go would reward players for sticking to the end. Also, if you want a fair game, play shorter ones. XP to 5-7 flags keeps games from being too one sided. I would also consider not capping a flag when possible as multing. So if one team is winning 6-0 in a 7 flag game, but they won't cap so they can rack up easy kills...that should be considered illegal play

[N221 597]

 

Better suggestion , Pro battles have special button which can be activated while creating battle , "Balance Battles."

 

What this button does? If activated :

• Game will always be balanced. In case a player leaves the battle , the lowest person in the table gets a pause time until a new player joins. Player has option to communicate in main chat. Once a new player joins his wait time will be over and he will be allowed to play
• In case 2 or more players leave , same number of players from other team will have to face pause time.(lowest in the table)
• In case a person was paused in a battle , he would receive extra crystals apart from what he deserved on his score for unnecessary pause period 
• Each person can only join the battle twice until the battle ends. That is each player can leave and join again only once. Leaving again would ban the player from joining battle until the current battle ends.

What do you think about this? More features can be added if someone finds way to exploit the system

 

This button can be used in any sort of pro battles including format battles except Parkour

 

Nice idea but for them to implement this they would have to give compensation in crystals to the people who get "paused", like you suggested. Other people in the battle may find this unfair because the fund increases when people play,so why should someone who is paused get free crystals?

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Better suggestion , Pro battles have special button which can be activated while creating battle , "Balance Battles."

 

What this button does? If activated :

• Game will always be balanced. In case a player leaves the battle , the lowest person in the table gets a pause time until a new player joins. Player has option to communicate in main chat. Once a new player joins his wait time will be over and he will be allowed to play
• In case 2 or more players leave , same number of players from other team will have to face pause time.(lowest in the table)
• In case a person was paused in a battle , he would receive extra crystals apart from what he deserved on his score for unnecessary pause period 
• Each person can only join the battle twice until the battle ends. That is each player can leave and join again only once. Leaving again would ban the player from joining battle until the current battle ends.

What do you think about this? More features can be added if someone finds way to exploit the system

 

This button can be used in any sort of pro battles including format battles except Parkour

 

         I could not live with the idea of "gets a pause". Define "gets of pause" meaning. I have the pause screen that tanki has when we press P by default? I cannot move? I cannot see map? I cannot turn turret? I cannot chat? What's on my screen? What's happening with my tank? What's happening in the battle? What is my fault or responsibility that I joined the last one and I have the lowest score, since all I wanted is to play and I wanted to help this team? Why are the others players allowed to play while I'm not? Isn't this a team battle? If so, why others allowed to play and I'm not? Is this a fair-play? Just imagined myself in a position of a player who "gets a pause" and all these questions came into my mind. Would definitely not want to go through that situation.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Nice idea but for them to implement this they would have to give compensation in crystals to the people who get "paused", like you suggested. Other people in the battle may find this unfair because the fund increases when people play,so why should someone who is paused get free crystals?

          Exactly, but for example me, I am a buyer and honestly I don't even care for crystals, I play for simple fun and relax, so I would not like to get pause, not even for a bunch of crystals. Instead I would handle better the situation if cap flags and killing would be disabled until the teams will be balanced again, if battle will not end by settings anyway. 

[jaydevjaydev 343]

Nice idea but for them to implement this they would have to give compensation in crystals to the people who get "paused", like you suggested. Other people in the battle may find this unfair because the fund increases when people play,so why should someone who is paused get free crystals?

It is not free crystals , it is the compensation since you were forced to stop game at that time. It is given because for the time you were paused , when your score didn't grew. It won't be a large amount of crystals tho

 

         I could not live with the idea of "gets a pause". Define "gets of pause" meaning. I have the pause screen that tanki has when we press P by default? I cannot move? I cannot see map? I cannot turn turret? I cannot chat? What's on my screen? What's happening with my tank? What's happening in the battle? What is my fault or responsibility that I joined the last one and I have the lowest score, since all I wanted is to play and I wanted to help this team? Why are the others players allowed to play while I'm not? Isn't this a team battle? If so, why others allowed to play and I'm not? Is this a fair-play? Just imagined myself in a position of a player who "gets a pause" and all these questions came into my mind. Would definitely not want to go through that situation.

Right! I forgot about buyers :P . Not the default screen but rather a screen which gives us options like Chat in lobby/clan and roam in map (without materializing or the ghost form) or simply a button to Spectate. 

What about a new rule?

Players who have joined 5 minutes after the battle started are not eligible for pause time for next 10 minutes. So if you join the battle after 5 seconds and a player leaves game in a minute or two , the next eligible player will get pause time.

Now any problems? The person who is last in 95% cases is who isn't helping team much(5% exceptional cases when a tanker is playing selfless)  

 

Also another option , when a player gets a pause , there is a button - "swap team". He would immediately change his team without affecting his score. AND this button can be used by each player only once and for the next 10 minutes the player won't be eligible for a pause.

          Exactly, but for example me, I am a buyer and honestly I don't even care for crystals, I play for simple fun and relax, so I would not like to get pause, not even for a bunch of crystals. Instead I would handle better the situation if cap flags and killing would be disabled until the teams will be balanced again, if battle will not end by settings anyway. 

Maybe we can introduce a pass in shop which prevents you from getting a pause time irrespective of your position in table  :ph34r: 

If you still have problems with the above button , here is the same button with totally different features. If you activate "Balance Battles" , 

•  In case of imbalance in number of players , capturing of flags will immediately stopped. You cannot kill a tanker and the battle timer would continue (we can stop it but I don't think it is a good idea) 
• Each person can only join the battle twice until the battle ends. That is each player can leave and join again only once. Leaving again would ban the player from joining battle until the current battle ends.

 

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NOTE: Before rejecting idea 1 , please note that difference between your idea and mine is that in yours you want everyone to suffer for just 1 person leaving game (selfishness) but in my case the person in last position gets affected but the gameplay remains unstopped and fair.

[gokuMI6 1,290]

The best idea will be if the battle is imbalanced we can not capture flags 

But can kill 

 

your 2nd idea will not be fair to player's with poor PC

they get lags often and might need to refresh multiple times

Edited June 12, 2018 by gokuMI6

[Nine 693]

I’m a real noob at xp/bp, I mainly don’t go in it because there isn’t fair play in it, the very few times I play xp bp I try to communicate with the other team before we start, and set some rules, e.g no camping and no self destructing. Most people do not like this that’s why I basil never play xp bp. Sound like a good idea tho having a weekly xp bp game. I’d be willing to come and at least try, hopefully I’ll be able to improve my skills! If you make the event when would it be?

 

Thanks

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I think the solution should be in the system, because organizing fair games will be temporary.

 

I proposed an idea before that consists in dividing PRO Battles into two:

 

Custom Battles

• Fewer options for battle creation
• Free access or very cheap

PRO Battles

• More options, specially for Clans.
• Cost like today or a little more.

In PRO Battles there could be options to wait before battle, pause option, surrender, terminate battle, or like if a battle becomes 3 vs 2, one of the three could be put on hold until a team mate dies, then that team mate will be put on hold the same way, then it could be normal again when battle becomes even. And like that PRO Battle could have battle balancing options.

Edited June 12, 2018 by r_Issimo2

[gokuMI6 1,290]

Gen 

If you are planing to make tournament

Be aware that there will be alt accounts of legend player's who have some shiny paints *cough*Gladiator,Impulse, etc

Edited June 12, 2018 by gokuMI6

[LUCIFER1_the_dark 1,230]

Jay's idea of fair play award is quite good.

 

Further I wish to know how and which way would the tournament be structured, because in normal battles words like fair play sometimes become underrated as there are always players who ruin the beauty of the game and cap flags in 3v4.

 

As you said you wish to organise an unofficial m2 tournament, so in my opinion the fairplay award should be quite helpful to promote a good game.

 

I wish to add few more aspects.

 

• Timing the battles: As most of esports tournaments uses this format, the battles are like 12 minutes long where initial 2 minutes are for warmup, thus if a team tries to cap in that time, it would lead to straight disqualification.
• Having a match refree: Its always good to have a match refree who can look over the battle. (you can have 4-5 of your friends or interested players who would like to do this job).
• A pre registration: Using google forms to register your teams, say 4 players per team(+1 in case of a sub), register weekly for the tournament. The registration would be simple form that takes names of all 4/5 players.

As you see, when there is something like a tournament, players tend to play more fairer and as per rules, rathere in some random battles where sometimes, due to action of other players, the game gets spoiled.

 

I have organised few Xp/Bp tournaments within my previous clan, and I used the above 2 aspects alongwith a few more to have good and fair battles, thus if you explain a structure a bit I am willing to help in organising it as well.

(I wish to participate as well though :) ).

Edited June 12, 2018 by LUCIFER1_the_dark

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Gen 

If you are planing to make tournament

Be aware that there will be alt accounts of legend player's who have some shiny paints *cough*Gladiator,Impulse, etc

          It is normal that to happen and I don't see any problem with that, on the contrary. If we support a healthy playing attitude at low ranks, the chances that the new players joining the game to borrow same playstyle from others players are higher. 

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

          I'm glad players are willing to get involved in this and help/support with anything possible. Many thanks everyone, it is really appreciated!  :wub:

          So far there would be 2 options that would like to explore: 1. An xp tournament; 2. Attempts to takeover unfair ongoing battles, as @GuidoFawkes specified.

          The same as in my other project |charity and rewards", would like this to be planned as smoothly as possible, to give it proper time to test and improve, so would startand go in very small steps.

          2. @GuidoFawkes  please give us a bit more details about how the system you vision would work, assure fair play battles and be effective.

          1. XP unofficial tournament. Let's stick for only xp m2 battles idea at the moment only. Everyone please add your ideas about what the "fair-play" is and how a battle should run, from any point of view you can discuss it. 

[Nine 693]

It is normal that to happen and I don't see any problem with that, on the contrary. If we support a healthy playing attitude at low ranks, the chances that the new players joining the game to borrow same playstyle from others players are higher.

 

Hey Gen, if you have this “tournament” Will there be a different battles for different people depending on their skill lvl? :unsure: because honestly I’m unskilled and trash at it so I won’t have a chance against pros :ph34r: Edited June 12, 2018 by Nine

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Hey Gen, if you have this “tournament” Will there be a different battles for different people depending on their skill lvl? :unsure: because honestly I’m unskilled and trash at it so I won’t have a chance against pros :ph34r:

          Me and others players here are thinking to a prize for Fair-Play and not skills. 

[Nine 693]

I'm glad players are willing to get involved in this and help/support with anything possible. Many thanks everyone, it is really appreciated!  :wub:

          So far there would be 2 options that would like to explore: 1. An xp tournament; 2. Attempts to takeover unfair ongoing battles, as @GuidoFawkes specified.

          The same as in my other project |charity and rewards", would like this to be planned as smoothly as possible, to give it proper time to test and improve, so would startand go in very small steps.

          2. @GuidoFawkes  please give us a bit more details about how the system you vision would work, assure fair play battles and be effective.

          1. XP unofficial tournament. Let's stick for only xp m2 battles idea at the moment only. Everyone please add your ideas about what the "fair-play" is and how a battle should run, from any point of view you can discuss it.

 

My idea of fair play is no camping and no self destructing and playing easy on noobs :ph34r: like myself :unsure:

[jaydevjaydev 343]

          I'm glad players are willing to get involved in this and help/support with anything possible. Many thanks everyone, it is really appreciated!  :wub:

          So far there would be 2 options that would like to explore: 1. An xp tournament; 2. Attempts to takeover unfair ongoing battles, as @GuidoFawkes specified.

         

Generalissima , can you please tell what exactly a takeover means? 

 

My idea of fair play is no camping and no self destructing and playing easy on noobs  :ph34r: like myself  :unsure:

I don't know why camping is hated by everyone? 

Edited June 12, 2018 by jaydevjaydev

[Nine 693]

Me and others players here are thinking to a prize for Fair-Play and not skills.

 

Oh okay gotcha, and what would the prize be for winning? Would there be a 1st 2nd and 3rd place prize? :wub:

Generalissima , can you please tell what exactly a takeover means?

 

When you join a team that’s losing and make them win, kinda like that