The removal of gifts issue

[ChandlerBing 138]

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Meh if you're that much annoyed then simply move on to another game that doesn't disrespect it's customers. 

[ChandlerBing 138]

TBH, I'm thankful to tanki for doing this and pissing the buyers. As a non-buyer, I'm happy.  :lol:

One way or another, we will have fair battles some day.  :rolleyes:

Edited June 25, 2018 by ChandlerBing

[DRAKO523 795]

Not sure if it's just me, but gifts no longer display in the Ratings page anymore :I. Okay I didn't mind them having a limit to 100, but now not displaying in the ratings page?  :blink: May someone else also check this out in case it's on my side, thank you in advance :L

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

Meh if you're that much annoyed then simply move on to another game that doesn't disrespect it's customers. 

          There is a saying: " Daca taceai, filozof ramaneai. "  :D  :lol:

[ChandlerBing 138]

          There is a saying: " Daca taceai, filozof ramaneai. "  :D  :lol:

I see.  :ph34r:

[Coat 2,280]

This is what Nives said...

They're really using P4's lol

[ByeByeBye 1,747]

 

When you go in a shop and buy something, you only buy something you need and don't waste your money on other things. You decline any extra offers the shopkeeper gives you because you're not dumb enough to waste your money. Same is the case with paints, there are so many of them yet people don't buy them, why? Because it's a waste of crystals. Same is the case with gifts, no one should be dumb enough to buy gifts even if they're offering you to buy them. If you bought them nonetheless, then clearly it's your fault because you bought something that was unneeded at that point in time.

Gosh...don't you see? Gifts are one of the foundations for friendships online at Tanki. Sure, the game is the game and gifts do nothing to kill that nasty Magnum or even make your tank combo perform better...but they could make YOU perform better because you are happy and confident. Lots of Tanki is, or at least WAS social and evolves around social or semi-social situations...clans, friends list, groups, forum, e sports, parkour, private battles, pro-battles, lobby chat and in-game chat, even dropping gold boxes all have a social component.

 

There are few ways to show friendship better than a gift in the real world or this cyber world. Since there is no intrinsic value to a Tanki gift it is pure sentiment. I am actually shocked that Tanki would remove gifts from the garage at all regardless of the ELUA. They shouldn't. But to change the profile page, where there is no storage issue is inconsiderate and even cruel.

 

Also you analogy of shopping puts the onus on the buyer...people that had gifts removed from their profile page did not buy them, they were a memory that was sent to them someone else who bought them. Also, if what you say about not buying anything you don't need is true, the world's economy is going to crash. People impulse buy constantly...it's even got a term...it''s called s h o p p i n g . Almost any store positions products in a way that will motivate customer to impulse buy...why do you think 7-11 puts gum and candy by their counter?

 

Anyway, I digress. Tanki also SOLD and promoted these gifts...and still are. I would guess that most gifts, especially the expensive ones are purchased and given by real money buyers. Is there any possibility that Generalissima's friends won't know what Tanki just did to her and them too really? Could there be other people like Generalissima who have had lots of gifts erased? Will Tanki ever sell as many gifts as they have in the past? Nope. Throwing sales away is not good for business and Tanki is slapping their cash supporters in the face once again...buy a badass combo...nerf it to uselessness...buy protection from turrets, have that investment turned into batteries or just disappear...now erasing gifts from profiles, something that takes up a trivial amount of effort to maintain. This is a bad and unhealthy direction...and someone, probably the actual money people at Aternativa Platform, need to take a long hard look at what is happening to their company under its current management while their company is still afloat.

 

 

guys don't be surprise if tanki says "we only allow 24k player to play at a time to optimize server performance" :ph34r:

I have thought of this before as motivation for their actions. And not as a joke. It is almost like they are trying to drive away traffic. Smaller server load means small server size which means cheaper. After all, I would guess in Tanki Heaven, there would only be buyers...big buyers and zero whining free players.

 

 

Let's be clear on one thing: I'm not making excuses. I'm telling you that from the very beginning (when gifts were first introduced to the game), it was not possible to store more than 100 gifts in your garage. So as soon as you received more than 100 gifts, the oldest ones got removed automatically. That means already long before last week, you didn't have those gifts in your garage anymore. They were merely a number in your profile. You can be upset about a simple number, but it would make far more sense if you had been upset that you lost the actual gift with the attached message. Did you boycott TO back when you started losing your actual gifts?

 

I don't know if they will, but I think you're bringing up a good point. It should definitely be possible to implement a proper system for gift storage. Preferably something where gifts won't have to be removed in the first place.

I sure would have! It is a bad rule, but OK, it's a rule. She is talking about a number on a page, maybe a few extra images with numbers. It just can't be much to maintain.

 

And did the ELUA ever say that profiles would not store the entire amount of gifts received?...did it ever specifically say that the profile page would have gifts past the 100 count deleted? If it didn't and the profile pages maintained a complete gift count, then defacto, there was an implied promise in place that profiles would maintain a complete count. It is an implied contract by being in existence over a period of time.

 

 

Meh if you're that much annoyed then simply move on to another game that doesn't disrespect it's customers.

If I could find another game that worked similar to Tanki I would be gone in a heartbeat. They have a monopoly so they can run rough-shod over their customers and the customers take the abuse....because there is no choice other than quitting the game...and 70,000 of the abused have done just that and quit over the past two or three years. That is 3 out of 4 previous customers gone.

 

 

Not sure if it's just me, but gifts no longer display in the Ratings page anymore :I. Okay I didn't mind them having a limit to 100, but now not displaying in the ratings page? :blink: May someone else also check this out in case it's on my side, thank you in advance :L

I'm pretty sure the Ratings page and Profile page are the same thing. So yes, some of the gifts are still displayed.

 

There is a saying: " Daca taceai, filozof ramaneai. " :D :lol:

:)

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I don't believe that mods don't understand the issue with the gifts update, I believe they like the gifts they have received, otherwise they would have deleted them already.

 

Let's see what they say when they receive badges and their good gifts get removed.

[CooperO 7,956]

I don't believe that mods don't understand the issue with the gifts update, I believe they like the gifts they have received, otherwise they would have deleted them already.

 

Let's see what they say when they receive badges and their good gifts get removed.

I understand the issue, but what many players seem to have missed (I can't blame them for it), is that the actual received gifts in your garage never exceeded 100. This has been the case since gifts were introduced to the game. That means everyone could have sent anyone 100 badges at any moment and all the other gifts would be gone. Do I think that is a problem? Of course! That's also the reason I think @AbsoluteZero made an excellent suggestion here.

However, the point I was trying to make is that this issue didn't appear after the XT skin update. It simply made more players notice since from then on, the number of gifts on the profile pages was updated accordingly.

[ByeByeBye 1,747]

I understand the issue, but what many players seem to have missed (I can't blame them for it), is that the actual received gifts in your garage never exceeded 100. This has been the case since gifts were introduced to the game. That means everyone could have sent anyone 100 badges at any moment and all the other gifts would be gone. Do I think that is a problem? Of course! That's also the reason I think @AbsoluteZero made an excellent suggestion here.

However, the point I was trying to make is that this issue didn't appear after the XT skin update. It simply made more players notice since from then on, the number of gifts on the profile pages was updated accordingly.

And here in lies the actual problem.  Why was it changed to match the count of gifts in the garage?  Previously, Tanki let profiles show a total count...for a very long time.  Why change now?....it would take very little to maintain a total count.  This total count has probably sold many many gifts for Tanki and generated substantial income. 

 

If people want a large number of gifts as a kind of trophy/souvenir, isn't that good?  It sells more gifts which equals more income.  It is certainly a more interesting statistic than the elusive efficiency or the pointless effectiveness rating.  Why keep count of gold boxes caught?  In fact why does it matter how long a player played in CTF, CP, or any other mode?  And paints!  Crimenintially!...Tanki shows a picture of every stupid paint in your garage whether you have used them or not. Why?  Isn't a personalized gift that someone sent to you, that you can delete if you wish, more important than a paint you will NEVER use? 

 

Now Tanki shoots themselves in the foot once again with an unnecessary "update" that alienates part of their player base.  This tiny inconsiderate update will cost Tanki money and obviously makes some players angry and frustrated.  The fools SELL these gifts to customers then delete them by age...this too is absolute idiocy in terms of marketing.  But to purge a total count, just a number and a few images, that have been in place in an ongoing basis may actually step over the line of insanity.  It is absolutely inconsiderate at the very best. 

 

PS   Hate...I saw what someone did to your profile and I'm sorry...that was unfair and uncalled for.  Guys, Tankers, don't hate on the moderators.  They have no real power and are probably even sympathetic no matter what they write.  Their job is to moderate our whines and complaints and help us through our frustration.  They are not the enemy even though they take the shots for the Tanki devs.  Sometimes they write stuff that is infuriating but I think it comes from the hope of calming and soothing or at least provoking thought after being given a different perspective.

Edited June 27, 2018 by ByeByeBye

[CooperO 7,956]

Why was it changed to match the count of gifts in the garage? 

That is a good question, and one I do not have the answer to.

[Viking4s 10,791]

Please stay on topic.

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I understand the issue, but what many players seem to have missed (I can't blame them for it), is that the actual received gifts in your garage never exceeded 100. This has been the case since gifts were introduced to the game. That means everyone could have sent anyone 100 badges at any moment and all the other gifts would be gone. Do I think that is a problem? Of course! That's also the reason I think @AbsoluteZero made an excellent suggestion here.

However, the point I was trying to make is that this issue didn't appear after the XT skin update. It simply made more players notice since from then on, the number of gifts on the profile pages was updated accordingly.

We understand your point, you said it many times, but that's not the big issue.

 

Do you know what the big issue is?

 

Do you know why many are upset?

[Rocket_Raccoon_XXX 1,507]

I don't understand can u say this more clearly?

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

We understand your point, you said it many times, but that's not the big issue.

 

Do you know what the big issue is?

 

Do you know why many are upset?

She is unable to understand her answer does not change a thing.  :lol:  I already said she is nub. No idea who made her admin and why. srsly.  :D  :lol:  :D  :lol:

[CooperO 7,956]

We understand your point, you said it many times, but that's not the big issue.

Do you know what the big issue is?

Do you know why many are upset?

I see two issues. The first being that more than 100 gifts aren't stored (even though they were paid for) and the second, which is a consequence of the first, is the fact that players can't choose which gifts they want to keep.

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

I see two issues. The first being that more than 100 gifts aren't stored (even though they were paid for) and the second, which is a consequence of the first, is the fact that players can't choose which gifts they want to keep.

Well, for me and I think others, the big issue is that gifts were removed from their profiles. We don't care about how or the reasons why, we just want the gifts to be counted in profiles even if they are removed from garage.

 

What would you say if Tanki decides to to limit the number of gifts to 10 in garage and erase all your gifts in your profile and only leave you with 10 badges? Would you be happy with that?

 

 

PS: Would you please tell the other mods to behave and not delete posts left and right.

[CooperO 7,956]

Well, for me and I think others, the big issue is that gifts were removed from their profiles. We don't care about how or the reasons why, we just want the gifts to be counted in profiles even if they are removed from garage.

 

What would you say if Tanki decides to to limit the number of gifts to 10 in garage and erase all your gifts in your profile and only leave you with 10 badges? Would you be happy with that?

 

 

PS: Would you please tell the other mods to behave and not delete posts left and right.

That's what I said: 'The first being that more than 100 gifts aren't stored'. This goes for both the profile and the garage.

As for your second question, I personally don't care what's in my profile (or what isn't), but I'd say storing 10 gifts in the garage only is far too little. But the issue here isn't how I feel about something, since I can't make any changes to it anyway. I simply pass on the feedback, whether I personally agree with it or not.

 

As for the mods behaving, they did not hide anything in this topic that didn't break the rules. Please feel free to contact me personally if you want to discuss specific posts of yours that have been hidden. 

[Nine 693]

Before I rave onnfor a couple of hours, I’d just like to mention that it was kind of stupid of tanki implementing this update because they just lost there biggest buyer (Gen) And she almost spends 10K a year....

 

I have many gifts myself, but not quite 100,(almost) When I heard about this update I was actually @Mad because what if I have a very old touching special gift that means a lot to me from a old freind? And then suddenly it’s gone, and I can't remember that so incredibly special freinds nickname, and then I’ve lost contact with him forever, Imagine how that would feel!

 

I feel tanki has evolved alot, I remember the days of crystal boxs, when a DD DA and a SB would land in the same place, when a gold box would land anywhere, And when your freinds where truly close to you, but now you cannot have freinds that are truly close to you and send you truly touching gifts, because for people like Gen, If she gets a truly touching gift, it will be gone within a week, automatically deleted, falling into a big black hole slowly being desolved.

 

Please remove the gift limiter.

 

Thank you

 

-@Nine

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

          Most of my gifts (thousands of them) are pretty like this. Who does not care about gifts is because they did not receive this kind of friendship, love, affection, gratitude, respect, camaraderie, support, so they cannot understand how losing these souvenirs feels like. I did talk to others players who lost their thousands gifts and they feel the same as I do, so I'm not the only one. Unfortunately, this also will begone very quick: </3 ;(

 

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

I personally don't care what's in my profile (or what isn't), 

          Are you seriously or even believing what you write? Are you gonna keep 100 dislikes at your profile?

[CooperO 7,956]

          Are you seriously or even believing what you write? Are you gonna keep 100 dislikes at your profile?

I am serious. To me it's just a number that doesn't affect me and I'm not just talking about gifts, it's the same with K/D, number of achievements etc.

The messages that came with the gifts are a lot more valuable to me.

[TaffyTank 1,890]

Posted an idea that might fix this after chatting with someone that was actually quited annoyed about this update.

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=373799&do=findComment&comment=6550762

 

BTW, this gift removal thing was callous.

[r_Issimo2 1,495]

That's what I said: 'The first being that more than 100 gifts aren't stored'. This goes for both the profile and the garage.

As for your second question, I personally don't care what's in my profile (or what isn't), but I'd say storing 10 gifts in the garage only is far too little. But the issue here isn't how I feel about something, since I can't make any changes to it anyway. I simply pass on the feedback, whether I personally agree with it or not.

 

As for the mods behaving, they did not hide anything in this topic that didn't break the rules. Please feel free to contact me personally if you want to discuss specific posts of yours that have been hidden.

But you try to minimize the isuue about profiles with the talk about storing and EULA, that's why we get upset with you and other mods, we are not stupid.

 

If you really don't understand the big issue, which is hard to believe, then ask players what is and not act like you know everything and that what you say is the last word.

[CooperO 7,956]

But you try to minimize the isuue about profiles with the talk about storing and EULA, that's why we get upset with you and other mods, we are not stupid.

 

If you really don't understand the big issue, which is hard to believe, then ask players what is and not act like you know everything and that what you say is the last word.

I know what the issue is and I have reported it right after I first heard of it. That doesn't take away the fact that I personally think the gifts removed from the garage is much much worse than a number removed from a profile and that is something that has been the case for years. You don't have to agree with me on this, that's completely fine. Different people, different preferences.