Declined Make gold drop begging an offense

[Stonehenge 21]

I enjoy the game, but for me, playability is severely marred by the constant requests for gold drops that clog up the chat area, making it difficult in many games to follow in-game dialogue.  The recent UFO Day promotion with its x10 gold drop rate has been an absolute nightmare in this respect, with many - let's say 'young' tankers apparently being of the opinion that the more you beg admin, the faster the gold will drop.

I suggest the following:

1. Admin/moderators are no longer given a regular supply of gold.  This should immediately cut down the number of requests in the chat area for them to drop.

2. An announcement to this effect is made on the forum and in the v-log, along with a clear notification that in future, requests for gold drops (to admin or other players) will be considered flooding, and appropriate action will be taken in the game.

[Maf 32,321]

Declined

 

Begging for golds is already an offence if the person posts it a lot, since that's just spamming. But moderators have more important violations to attend to, like scammers and racism, while some guy begging for gold boxes doesn't hurt anybody. If someone is begging for golds in chat and it's bothering you, simply add them to the ignore list with just two clicks.

 

Admins and mods don't actually get gold boxes regularly. The only gold box reward is 10 golds for earning Helper of the Month. Removing that reward will have no effect on the amount of people begging admins for golds, since those people begged even before the gold supply was introduced.

[Pyre 3,485]

 Removing that reward will have no effect on the amount of people begging admins for golds, since those people begged even before the gold supply was introduced.

And they beg even if there is no admin/mod in the battle.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Declined

Admins and mods don't actually get gold boxes regularly. The only gold box reward is 10 golds for earning Helper of the Month. Removing that reward will have no effect on the amount of people begging admins for golds, since those people begged even before the gold supply was introduced.

people like nives are also considered admins and they have unlimited golds. he was clearly talking about the abilities such people have.. did you really think he was talking about your 10 golds per month??? 

[Maf 32,321]

people like nives are also considered admins and they have unlimited golds. he was clearly talking about the abilities such people have.. did you really think he was talking about your 10 golds per month??? 

So, the suggestion is to block all tanki employees from dropping golds?  :lol:

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

So, the suggestion is to block all tanki employees from dropping golds?  :lol:

why not? do you see any game benefit whenever nives drops them? 

[Siddhant11 4]

This is a nice Idea and it MUST be implemented in the game. The begging for gold - "gold pls" "admin drop gold" "admin gold plz" "pls drop gold" and especially to those who dropped gold once in battle. The so called Gold Box begging should be considered double flood. For eg:- if writing the same thing 4 times warns you and 6 times bans you, the for gold beg it should be 2 for warning and 3 for ban. This is really required.

 

Preview:-

Player XXXX has been banned for 5 minutes. Reason - repetitive requesting for Gold Boxes.

[Maf 32,321]

why not? do you see any game benefit whenever nives drops them? 

Entertainment. Making the game more fun for some players.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

Entertainment. Making the game more fun for some players.

and how many players?? 

 

of course dropping golds for some players makes it fun for them we all know that

 

but his point is that this causes the chat to get spammed and annoys the hell out of everyone so this shoud stop

 

why do i even have to explain this to you? will you start taking your job seriously for once? 

[Maf 32,321]

why do i even have to explain this to you? will you start taking your job seriously for once? 

What do you want me to do? Change the status of the idea? It's 100% certain that saying "gold pls" will never be an actual violation of game rules.

[Stonehenge 21]

What do you want me to do? Change the status of the idea? It's 100% certain that saying "gold pls" will never be an actual violation of game rules.

NO-ONE says 'gold pls' once.  It's repeated constantly throughout a game by the same misguided tankers, causing a knock-on effect when other tankers chip in with '+', 'yes, drop admin!', etc. etc.  You've simplified what I was asking for alarmingly.

 

Take away the gratis gold supply for everyone on the Tanki team and announcing it instantly makes any request for admin to drop gold an act of spamming.  It's that simple.  And at that point Maf, saying 'gold pls admin' DOES become an actual violation of the rules and we'll soon see a stop to it if you've recruited an effective in-game moderation team.

 

 

[Maf 32,321]

NO-ONE says 'gold pls' once.  It's repeated constantly throughout a game by the same misguided tankers, causing a knock-on effect when other tankers chip in with '+', 'yes, drop admin!', etc. etc.  You've simplified what I was asking for alarmingly.

Take away the gratis gold supply for everyone on the Tanki team and announcing it instantly makes any request for admin to drop gold an act of spamming.  It's that simple.  And at that point Maf, saying 'gold pls admin' DOES become an actual violation of the rules and we'll soon see a stop to it if you've recruited an effective in-game moderation team.

 

So like I said in my post, repeating the same thing in chat over and over is already considered a violation, so if a chat moderator sees a player doing that, the player will most likely be warned or banned for flood. And if a moderator is not present, then you can just add that player to the ignore list and their messages won't bother you.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

What do you want me to do? Change the status of the idea? It's 100% certain that saying "gold pls" will never be an actual violation of game rules.

what do i want you to do?

 

when a player takes the time to write out his idea make sure you read it properly anddon't misinterpret it.

 

 

 

he clearly explained that it is because admins have the ability to make gold boxes fall there are people spamming the chat asking for it. and what did you do? didn't even read it properly.

 

if you don't have the patience or intellectual ability to do this then let someone else do it.

So like I said in my post, repeating the same thing in chat over and over is already considered a violation, so if a chat moderator sees a player doing that, the player will most likely be warned or banned for flood. And if a moderator is not present, then you can just add that player to the ignore list and their messages won't bother you.

you can only add him to ignore after he spams. what he is suggesting is a way to reduce/prevent the spamming from happening in the first place.

[Maf 32,321]

 

I read the topic properly and I know what is being suggested. Developers, bu default, have access to in-game console commands and are therefore able to summon gold boxes (among other things). This won't be changing. Even if they were to somehow lose this ability, people would still beg for golds, because the reason "admin gold pls" is a thing is because some guy (or a bunch of people) spread the rumour that all gold boxes are dropped manually by "admins", who are spectating the game, when in reality they are dropped by the server.

 

I don't see how this suggestion "prevents spamming from happening". In order for the spammer to get banned, first they need to actually spam (i.e. spam is not prevented) and then their spam needs to actually be seen by a moderator in-game, which is extremely unlikely.

 

Therefore idea has no benefit for the game and won't be implemented.

[Stonehenge 21]

Even if they were to somehow lose this ability, people would still beg for golds, because the reason "admin gold pls" is a thing is because some guy (or a bunch of people) spread the rumour that all gold boxes are dropped manually by "admins", who are spectating the game, when in reality they are dropped by the server.

Maf, your game has a MAJOR issue when it comes to tankers spamming for gold.  This happens in virtually every game that's played, and it seriously harms game play for those of us that rely on the chat system for in-game information from other tankers.  Do something about it.  If it isn't in the rules to beg for gold... change the rules.  And recruit sufficient in-game moderators to deal with the spammers.  I'm in.  There you go, you have one volunteer amongst the community that has time on his hands and a willingness to sort out a serious issue that the forum's ideas and suggestions section doesn't seem willing to.  I'm sure there are plenty of others out there wanting spamming cracked down on as well.

 

It's not rocket science.  Think outside the box.  If you don't want (or don't have the authority) to stop administrators having the ability to drop gold whenever the fancy takes them as a bit of titillation to entertain the easily impressed (as if that's somehow reason enough to keep the functionality as it is), then in your next administritive meeting, suggest to the team that from now on no gold will be dropped when requested by tankers.  There are plenty of ways to solve this, but whetever measures are taken, announce it on v-logs, on here, on your Facebook page - everywhere necessary to get the message across.  And then whenever it happens in future, we'll have a definite rule to direct the offending parties to whenever they're screwing over an otherwise enjoyable game.

 

It's not my job to sort it, I presume it's yours.  And it needs sorting, so if it's not in your remit, get the message delivered to the organ-grinder.  Because that's exactly what I'd be doing if I were in your position.

 

[Pyre 3,485]

gold plz admin

 

I guarantee you, NOTHING you suggested will make a noticeable difference. Im sorry, but these nobs will spam until the end of days.

[Stonehenge 21]

gold plz admin

I guarantee you, NOTHING you suggested will make a noticeable difference. Im sorry, but these nobs will spam until the end of days.

 

gold plz admin

I guarantee you, NOTHING you suggested will make a noticeable difference. Im sorry, but these nobs will spam until the end of days.

I don't agree, sniva.  There's a more popular tank game I often play that I won't name drop on here, but the rule there is simple - you don't spam.  Everything in the chat section HAS to relate to the game.  It's effectively moderated, and the other tankers jump on you if you abuse the rule.

 

If Tanki Online wants a functioning chat system, it has to have appropriate rules in place and it has to adopt a zero-tolerence policy.  And in the case of spamming admin for gold drops - which is the chat system's main flaw - it has to be more pro-active in making the system work by getting the message across to its users.  Brushing the current state of affairs off with...

 

"...because some guy (or a bunch of people) spread the rumour that all gold boxes are dropped manually by "admins", who are spectating the game"

 

with respect, is basically burying your head in the sand.  As far as I'm aware, nothing has ever been done to try to sort the issue out, so there is zero excuse for not attempting to and shrugging it off as something we have to put up with.

 

And advising us to click the ignore button as a solution is frankly patronising.  We know how the ignore function works, thank you Maf.  We just don't want to be faffing about like that every three minutes when we're supposed to be playing a tank game.

 

[r_Pistachio7 88]

So let me get this straight..We should punish people who merely beg for a goldbox. Don't like beggars? Block them.

[GorgoBlesk 831]

Offensive gold box begging: Drop me that stupid gold box you crazy drugging noob buyer or I will drop a Magnum shell on you!

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I read the topic properly and I know what is being suggested. Developers, bu default, have access to in-game console commands and are therefore able to summon gold boxes (among other things). This won't be changing. Even if they were to somehow lose this ability, people would still beg for golds, because the reason "admin gold pls" is a thing is because some guy (or a bunch of people) spread the rumour that all gold boxes are dropped manually by "admins", who are spectating the game, when in reality they are dropped by the server.

 

I don't see how this suggestion "prevents spamming from happening". In order for the spammer to get banned, first they need to actually spam (i.e. spam is not prevented) and then their spam needs to actually be seen by a moderator in-game, which is extremely unlikely.

 

Therefore idea has no benefit for the game and won't be implemented.

right now there's always the chance that a dev could be spectating the battle... and there's the chance that he could drop golds..

 

so if they were to lose that ability and announc it for everyone to know then people would stop.

 

 

 

had you really known what was being suggested then why do you say it can already be stopped by putting them on ignore when he was clearly suggesting something to prevent it from happening in the first place? he already heard you the first time when you said ignore list yet you repeat it again. He knows about it already, but it's not enough that's why he's suggesting something else!!!  it's as though he suggested for a old woman to not wear so much jewelery to avoid getting robbed and you're suggesting her to call the police after she gets robbed. you clearly had no idea what he was saying.

[Pyre 3,485]

 

There is no viable solution. You can ban them for it, they will spam once its over. You can block them, they will create alts or leave the game. You can explain to them it doesnt work, they will keep trying. Like everyone has said, just ignore them.

[Maf 32,321]

Maf, your game has a MAJOR issue when it comes to tankers spamming for gold.

You probably know this, but just to clarify: this is not "my game" and I take no part in actually developing it. I don't get paid and I merely volunteer to take care of some community aspects (forum and wiki).

 

 If it isn't in the rules to beg for gold... change the rules.  And recruit sufficient in-game moderators to deal with the spammers.  I'm in.  There you go, you have one volunteer amongst the community that has time on his hands and a willingness to sort out a serious issue that the forum's ideas and suggestions section doesn't seem willing to.  I'm sure there are plenty of others out there wanting spamming cracked down on as well.

Unfortunately it's not as simple as that. If anyone is to be given the ability to ban other players from the chat, they have to go through the application process, pass thorough background checks and then do a month of training to learn how to use moderation tools. Believe me, the administration would love to have enough chat mods to be able to take care of all violation in the game, so that spammers and similar don't bother players. But there aren't enough players to be trusted with the power to ban.

 

The most that can be done at this point is adding things like "gold pls" to a list of words which get auto-censored, but the obvious problem with this is that it will make certain normal phrases get censored as well. This will annoy honest players and make their chatting experience worse, while spammers will just find a way to circumvent the filter, like they always do. In the end it will do more harm than good. 

 

 

 If you don't want (or don't have the authority) to stop administrators having the ability to drop gold whenever the fancy takes them as a bit of titillation to entertain the easily impressed 

I'm pretty sure that developers don't actually spend their valuable work time going around battles and dropping golds for the "easily impressed". Like I said - pretty sure the idea of admins dropping golds comes from a false belief that all server-dropped golds are dropped by real spectators, rather than the admins actually dropping golds. So you really overestimate the role of administrators in the whole gold begging issue. The issue was there long before the gold supply was even a thing, so people were begging admins for golds long before said admins could actually drop them.

 

I don't know if it's a case of rank difference, but I can honestly tell you that gold beggars at my rank are not that annoying. At least definitely not to a point where battle chat becomes unusable.

[Maf 32,321]

right now there's always the chance that a dev could be spectating the battle... and there's the chance that he could drop golds..

I am almost certain that none of the developers just go around battles dropping golds nowadays.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I am almost certain that none of the developers just go around battles dropping golds nowadays.

it is because of the fact that they can do it that people beg... whether or not they actually do it doesn't matter to them. 

 

 

 

if they were to announce NEW UPDATE : DEVS CAN NO LONGER DROP GOLDS ANYMORE!!! in the news section the the rumours would certaintly be reduced won't they? 

[Maf 32,321]

if they were to announce NEW UPDATE : DEVS CAN NO LONGER DROP GOLDS ANYMORE!!! in the news section the the rumours would certaintly be reduced won't they? 

But what about people begging others to drop golds? I see WAY more of that than asking for admins to drop. As said above, you really underestimate the role of admins in the gold begging problem. Nowadays players mostly ask other players to drop, not admins.