Completed Nerf freeze and buff isida

[TankiNoob2000 231]

Self explanatory. Every time I play juggernaut, It always the freeze that gets the kill. I use isida all the time and my energy pool runs out at the wrong time. So my solution is: Decrease freezes damage and increase isidas energy pool.

Thank you

[Maf 32,338]

Completed

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

Buff Isida??? No.

 

Freeze doesn't need to be nerfed. It needs REWORK. Freeze does so much damage right now (i admit it, im a long time freeze user too) that your opponent is dead by the time the freezing effect even kicks in most of the time. Freeze right now doesn't require any skill to use anymore. I think Freeze's freezing effect needs to be significantly increased, freeze damage nerfed (but not nerfing it to the extent of freeze of 2 months ago), and increased energy pool due to the decrease in dps. 

[Siddhant11 4]

Freeze does need a Nerf. Always freeze kills the Juggernaut. I mean ALWAYS.

 

Freeze was everywhere for the first few days of Juggernaut, but lately I barely see them in those battles. I'm not even sure if it's particularly OP, but maybe you're right.

I cant understand how you cant see freezes. I never saw a battle ( Juggernaut coz i only play that) in which there aren't AT LEAST 4-5 freezes. I bet you. I can live stream and join random battles, and if i win, You have to give me 100 containers. If i lost, i will delete all of my accounts.

 

80% of the times, its freeze who gets the kill for Juggernaut. You have to do nothing just two freezes ( out of the 5-7 of them in most battles) need to come from two directions and just freeze the juggernaut. Few other players are always shooting from back.

The Juggernaut cant even move its turret ( even repair kit doesn't remove the freeze effect ) and there you have an assured victory against the juggernaut. 

 

REPLY NEEDED from maf

[GorgoBlesk 831]

Increase Isida energy pool and also decrease its reload. Then slightly buff Firebird and it will be perfect. After this, only Thunder and Magnum will be OP.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

I cant understand how you cant see freezes. I never saw a battle ( Juggernaut coz i only play that) in which there aren't AT LEAST 4-5 freezes. I bet you. I can live stream and join random battles, and if i win, You have to give me 100 containers. If i lost, i will delete all of my accounts.

Maf can't just "give" you 100 containers... it doesn't work that way.

 

Maf is right, Freeze isn't actually that popular up here. If someone equips freeze in one of our battles, everyone then just puts on 50% protections (which i know is unavaibable at your rank, but still), than the freeze has to switch out. I usually just see 2 freeze in battles, 1 of them is me, which isn't a lot. It's a lot compared to how many freezes were in battles 2 months ago (0 freezes), but compared to turrets like twins, freeze doesn't stand a chance, in both popularity or gameplay. 

[mhh.2000 888]

Freeze was everywhere for the first few days of Juggernaut, but lately I barely see them in those battles. I'm not even sure if it's particularly OP, but maybe you're right.

 

I don't know how you got the idea that there aren't many freezes in juggernaut mode (well maybe not as much as before) but there are still waaaay too many freezes , I got 6 around me today , I should have taken a screenshot

[NamesAreForNoobs 324]

Self explanatory. Every time I play juggernaut, It always the freeze that gets the kill. I use isida all the time and my energy pool runs out at the wrong time. So my solution is: Decrease freezes damage and increase isidas energy pool.

 

Thank you

- 1. Just make the juggernaut immune to burning and freezing effects. Forget about Isida, it was in the spotlight long enough. Maybe if you want to kill the juggernaut, don't use your energy on the people chasing it and instead on the actual juggernaut... 

[wolverine848 13,097]

Freeze was everywhere for the first few days of Juggernaut, but lately I barely see them in those battles. I'm not even sure if it's particularly OP, but maybe you're right.

Of course Freeze is OP. Highest DPS + slowing effect.

 

Maf is right, Freeze isn't actually that popular up here. If someone equips freeze in one of our battles, everyone then just puts on 50% protections (which i know is unavaibable at your rank, but still), than the freeze has to switch out. I usually just see 2 freeze in battles, 1 of them is me, which isn't a lot. It's a lot compared to how many freezes were in battles 2 months ago (0 freezes), but compared to turrets like twins, freeze doesn't stand a chance, in both popularity or gameplay. 

Why would freeze have to "switch out" if it encounters 50% protection?

Does that mean isida should "switch out" when it runs into 50% protection?

Same with all other turrets?

 

Modules reduce the damage by the the same amount...

And... there are probably fewer 50% freeze modules than many of the other modules - no way everyone could buff that module to 50% since freeze buff took effect.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

Why would freeze have to "switch out" if it encounters 50% protection?

Does that mean isida should "switch out" when it runs into 50% protection?

Same with all other turrets?

 

Modules reduce the damage by the the same amount...

And... there are probably fewer 50% freeze modules than many of the other modules - no way everyone could buff that module to 50% since freeze buff took effect.

Ummm... YES.   unless you plan on getting last place. There are plenty of freeze modules, even before freeze got buffed. 

[Maf 32,338]

Freeze does need a Nerf. Always freeze kills the Juggernaut. I mean ALWAYS.

 

I cant understand how you cant see freezes. I never saw a battle ( Juggernaut coz i only play that) in which there aren't AT LEAST 4-5 freezes. I bet you. I can live stream and join random battles, and if i win, You have to give me 100 containers. If i lost, i will delete all of my accounts.

 

80% of the times, its freeze who gets the kill for Juggernaut. You have to do nothing just two freezes ( out of the 5-7 of them in most battles) need to come from two directions and just freeze the juggernaut. Few other players are always shooting from back.

The Juggernaut cant even move its turret ( even repair kit doesn't remove the freeze effect ) and there you have an assured victory against the juggernaut. 

 

REPLY NEEDED from maf

No need to bet. I know that Freeze is OP now and I even use Freeze protection almost always when playing Juggernaut. Even if there's just one Freeze - if it comes up behind you and freezes you before you can turn towards him, it's basically game over, you may deal with that freeze once he runs out of fuel, but then the other enemies will just finish you off while you're still frozen.

 

I don't know how you got the idea that there aren't many freezes in juggernaut mode (well maybe not as much as before) but there are still waaaay too many freezes , I got 6 around me today , I should have taken a screenshot

I'm telling you from experience that I see up to 3 Freezes per battle in Juggernaut, sometimes none at all, compared to 8+ when it was first released. That being said, it's still one of the most popular turrets in JGR, compared to somethng like Smoky or Isida, which you rarely see there.

[mhh.2000 888]

No need to bet. I know that Freeze is OP now and I even use Freeze protection almost always when playing Juggernaut. Even if there's just one Freeze - if it comes up behind you and freezes you before you can turn towards him, it's basically game over, you may deal with that freeze once he runs out of fuel, but then the other enemies will just finish you off while you're still frozen.

 

I'm telling you from experience that I see up to 3 Freezes per battle in Juggernaut, sometimes none at all, compared to 8+ when it was first released. That being said, it's still one of the most popular turrets in JGR, compared to somethng like Smoky or Isida, which you rarely see there.

yes it's really really popular , well maybe because you're a legend and everybody has 50% freeze protection not many people actually use the turret . but for every other rank , freezes are everywhere , and I'm telling you from experience as well

 

since you admitted freeze is OP , there's nothing left to say .

 

about that smoky though , I manage to become juggernaut quite a lot while I'm using smoky and I love it.

[aqwzsxedc 699]

No need to bet. I know that Freeze is OP now and I even use Freeze protection almost always when playing Juggernaut. Even if there's just one Freeze - if it comes up behind you and freezes you before you can turn towards him, it's basically game over, you may deal with that freeze once he runs out of fuel, but then the other enemies will just finish you off while you're still frozen.

 

 

That's why it's the best (in my opinion) to keep the overdrive either for health or mostly for freezes; and i just keep running around when i have juggernaut, kill the weak ones and user overdrive on freezes untill i end up with this:

 

 

 

I play juggernaut on low ranks aswell, and i see actually various turrets instead of freezes & less druggers compared to Legends...

 

 

 

[BlackEliteEnemy2 250]

I don't think guns need to be reworked. If someone else does 1k damage with Freeze, you can equip it too and do 1k damage as well. Magnum needs a lot of skill to play with, so that should be rewarded. You can also use magnum. Why wouldn't you be OP?

If you check DPS of every turret (damage of turret / reload time), strongest is Ricochet.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

I don't think guns need to be reworked. If someone else does 1k damage with Freeze, you can equip it too and do 1k damage as well. Magnum needs a lot of skill to play with, so that should be rewarded. You can also use magnum. Why wouldn't you be OP?

If you check DPS of every turret (damage of turret / reload time), strongest is Ricochet.

[aqwzsxedc 699]

I don't think guns need to be reworked. If someone else does 1k damage with Freeze, you can equip it too and do 1k damage as well. Magnum needs a lot of skill to play with, so that should be rewarded. You can also use magnum. Why wouldn't you be OP?

If you check DPS of every turret (damage of turret / reload time), strongest is Ricochet.

What if that person doesn't like freeze or magnum... he's obliged to use it to actually have some kills or win? 

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Freeze definitely needs to be nerfed. It's the only close-range weapon that can completely disable the opponent's ability to retaliate, and therefore it should deal the LEAST damage of all close-range weapons, not the ridiculous amount it has now that's like 50% higher than Firebird and rivals Isida. It should have to rely on backstabbing to be effective, and always lose in a head-on battle against equal-HP Firebirds and Isidas, since those turrets can't stop the enemy from fighting back, unlike Freeze. 

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Freeze was everywhere for the first few days of Juggernaut, but lately I barely see them in those battles. I'm not even sure if it's particularly OP, but maybe you're right.

99% of the player base is sure Freeze is OP now. 

[thesquarerootof2 165]

I don't think guns need to be reworked. If someone else does 1k damage with Freeze, you can equip it too and do 1k damage as well. Magnum needs a lot of skill to play with, so that should be rewarded. You can also use magnum. Why wouldn't you be OP?

If you check DPS of every turret (damage of turret / reload time), strongest is Ricochet.

That's not how game balance works. Game balance for Tanki is making the game so that REGARDLESS of which turret you use, you should have about the same degree of success in battles (accounting for skill of course) Game balance is NOT just making it so Freeze = Freeze or Magnum = Magnum or Freeze = Magnum. It's making it so Railgun = Firebird = Freeze = Magnum = Shaft = Striker = Isida = Hammer = Thunder = Smoky = Twins = Ricochet = Vulcan. Obviously you can't have perfect, exact equal balance but we are certainly able to get closer than we currently are  :)

[Maf 32,338]

99% of the player base is sure Freeze is OP now. 

Same for Magnum, but I don't recall Magnum getting any changes, yet the number of people complaining about it being OP seems to have significantly reduced.

[Benefactor 6,890]

Same for Magnum, but I don't recall Magnum getting any changes, yet the number of people complaining about it being OP seems to have significantly reduced.

It remains untouched because that is @Hazel-Rah's toy.

[SporkZilla 1,775]

Same for Magnum, but I don't recall Magnum getting any changes, yet the number of people complaining about it being OP seems to have significantly reduced.

I see fewer Magnums now, which might be why number of complaints has reduced.

 

I''m sick of Freeze.

[Maf 32,338]

It remains untouched because that is @Hazel-Rah's toy.

Or because it was never OP and people wanted a nerf only because of lack of protections and the amount of Magnums in battles?

[Salvator 425]

Freeze is way too op, Isida is good how it is right now.

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Well the thing is, unlike with Magnum, you can actually prove its OP by comparing it to the two other turrets of its class, Firebird and Isida. 

It is significantly better than both of those turrets in every way