Other Covert Updates Uncovered

[Michael828 816]

thank you very much. also, i believe someone owes me a thank you too, because most of the people who come here commenting clearly came because of my critisims based on the refferences towards my comments in theirs. :rolleyes: 

 

just wondering, would you consider changes done by paypal a tanki update that the devs should announce to us? because from my point f view, paypal isn't a part of the game, it is simply a medium that helps us transfer money to tanki and if paypal decides to make changes to stop people from using other country's systems when buying through tanki it is not up to the tanki devs to announce it to us because it wasn't them who made the changes. on top of that, tanki already stated that using other countries systems was forbdden so they really didn't have any buisness to inform us that paypal (not them) made an update tp prevent us from doing it, because after all, they had already prevented it themselves. so it reality this whole "update" was really just paypal, not tanki, implementing what tanki had already told us about. and while it might be considered as an "update" it is certaintly not a tanki update because as far as tanki is concerned nothing has changed; it was never allowed to use other countrie's system in the beiginning. as such, the devs had no reason to announce this because as far as they're concerned, we never should have been able to do this in the first place

You did mention the second update was in a V-Log, and all I did was include that in my post as constructive criticism, mainly because that update was made available to the public. But as I've said, the first and third points were obscure for me until I opened the forum, and that's where articles like this get the job done.

 

About the paypal issue, even though purchasing through different currencies is against the rules, there was nothing preventing tanki from simply announcing to anyone trying to continue with their previous actions that they cannot proceed to carry them out anymore. It may not have been a major part of the game itself, but it was one of the main ways players used to purchase goods with, and thus provide income for the game. I still believe it was important enough to at least have been disclosed publicly to players.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

About the paypal issue, even though purchasing through different currencies is against the rules, there was nothing preventing tanki from simply announcing to anyone trying to continue with their previous actions that they cannot proceed to carry them out anymore. It may not have been a major part of the game itself, but it was one of the main ways players used to purchase goods with, and thus provide income for the game. I still believe it was important enough to at least have been disclosed publicly to players.

you realise that it was paypal, and not tanki which did it? before this "update" other payment mediums like mastercard already had the prevention system.

 

from tanki's point of view, there never should have been anyone using other country's currencies, so there was no need for them to announce a change that was never under their control anyway

[kaisdf 3,320]

Nice one, Kaisdf! I don't usually read each and every patch update and this made things quite clear! Great presentation.

 

Probably make an article next time to reveal the secrets of TO Mobile? There are plenty. You can legally lag/move through tanks to take a Gold!

Thanks a bunch! I will definitely have a look at TO mobile, though my terrible phone will probably hinder much progress.

 

I've only known about that kit unlock update from people in the forum, I was completely unaware of it before. Same thing with the score distribution in TDM, I've forgotten which V-Log talked about that, and they probably didn't elaborate much on it anyway. Third point is new to me.

 

Great job on the article, I do believe the first and third points fit the definition of covert, however, the second update was mentioned in a V-Log so it wasn't really as stealthy as the other updates.

Thanks! One of the points of contention in the PM chain between myself and ZloyDanuJI is whether or not it actually was in a v-log. He linked me to vlog 171, which talks about crystal distribution, but not score distribution from kills.

 

As far as I'm aware, the score distribution update (which is not just TDM, I just wanted a somewhat humorous title) is not mentioned in any v-logs. If you were to find mention of it, feel free to send me a link!

 

You did mention the second update was in a V-Log, and all I did was include that in my post as constructive criticism, mainly because that update was made available to the public. But as I've said, the first and third points were obscure for me until I opened the forum, and that's where articles like this get the job done.

He said so, but has no proof yet to back it up.

[Michael828 816]

you realise that it was paypal, and not tanki which did it? before this "update" other payment mediums like mastercard already had the prevention system.

 

from tanki's point of view, there never should have been anyone using other country's currencies, so there was no need for them to announce a change that was never under their control anyway

Yes I do understand what you mean, the update wasn't caused by tanki, but just because they had nothing to do with it doesn't mean they shouldn't inform players about it. Ideally, in my opinion, a game should inform its players about any changes or updates regardless of their relative importance or what caused them, constant interaction between developers and the player base is crucial for a game's success.

 

Thanks! One of the points of contention in the PM chain between myself and ZloyDanuJI is whether or not it actually was in a v-log. He linked me to vlog 171, which talks about crystal distribution, but not score distribution from kills.

 

As far as I'm aware, the score distribution update (which is not just TDM, I just wanted a somewhat humorous title) is not mentioned in any v-logs. If you were to find mention of it, feel free to send me a link!

I vaguely remember them saying something like that a while ago, but yea it may have been about the crystals distribution and not score distribution like you've stated above.

 

Anyway, if I do happen to find the V-Log mentioning it I will send it to you.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

He said so, but has no proof yet to back it up.

stop being a hypocrite. you used public opinion to bend the definition of a word, but now when i use it i need actual proof?

 

public opinion was all you needed to change the fact that their announcement didn't qualify as an announcement despite the fact that their announcement fits the cambridge definition of an announcement. now that i have public opinion stating something against you, you bloody well accept it

 

you gonna demand proof, then i demand proof from whoever answered your "poll" as well as your proof when you "don't consider" it as an announcment despite the fact that it fits the cambridge definition of an announcement.

 

Yes I do understand what you mean, the update wasn't caused by tanki, but just because they had nothing to do with it doesn't mean they shouldn't inform players about it. Ideally, in my opinion, a game should inform its players about any changes or updates regardless of their relative importance or what caused them, constant interaction between developers and the player base is crucial for a game's success.

but for them, nothing changed. announcing that we can't do it now would be like saying that we could actually have done it before thereby contradicting the fact that they said we wouldn't in the first place

 

also, if they didn't do it, then thy might not ecven have known it was done. so saying that it was a "covert" update was an assumption as they might not even have known about it themselves

Edited April 15, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[Michael828 816]

but for them, nothing changed. announcing that we can't do it now would be like saying that we could actually have done it before thereby contradicting the fact that they said we wouldn't in the first place

also, if they didn't do it, then thy might not ecven have known it was done. so saying that it was a "covert" update was an assumption as they might not even have known about it themselves

To be honest, I don't know much about what happened during that time with paypal, so I can't give you a very convincing reply. But overall your points do make sense.

 

I'd like to end my contribution here by stating that, although his article isn't fully accurate or free of any flaws, that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. I personally do not believe it deserved all the bashing you've given it, but each to his own I guess.

 

Hope you guys can get along and just put this incident behind you, let's instead try to help each other improve constantly, so we'd get more interesting results the next time.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

To be honest, I don't know much about what happened during that time with paypal, so I can't give you a very convincing reply. But overall your points do make sense.

 

I'd like to end my contribution here by stating that, although his article isn't fully accurate or free of any flaws, that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. I personally do not believe it deserved all the bashing you've given it, but each to his own I guess.

 

Hope you guys can get along and just put this incident behind you, let's instead try to help each other improve constantly, so we'd get more interesting results the next time.

my points are correct but he doesn't deserve them... hmm... so, he transcends reality?

 

don't see it as bashing :) like @C.O.N.Q.U.E.R.O.R said, be positive. see it as teaching him to be a proper reporter.

 

anyway thank you very much for your input :)

Edited April 15, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Anyway, if I do happen to find the V-Log mentioning it I will send it to you.

found it

 

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as stated here. they said that the system will change, and that for the player who does the most useful actions in a game mode will get more points. meaning capturing points (reffering to CP), stealing flags, destroying flag carriers (both reffering to CTF) and so on.  This "and so on" is the key. by "and so on" they are talking about important actions in other modes.

 

and we all know what is the most important action in TDM. KILLING.

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[r_Given6 859]

Thanks a bunch! I will definitely have a look at TO mobile, though my terrible phone will probably hinder much progress.

Well if you do think about writing on that subject, feel free to contact me via PM for hax that the developers are trying to prevent secret info. :ph34r:;

[Dark.Angel 63]

 

I like how you tend to have an argument with everyone you meet.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I like how you tend to have an argument with everyone you meet.

finally a positive comment about me.

 

why thank you, i like it too.

[maryam98 1,171]

I like how you tend to have an argument with everyone you meet.

 It’s simply a matter of correcting things that may or may not be wrong. I have experience doing it myself.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

ever had them threatening to hide your posts for no reason so they could force you to talk about it in PM where they just purposely frustrate you with nonsencical arguments about how something that clearly exists can be considersed as non existent... cause that's what's goingon with me and this joker right now <_< imo threatening to hide my posts without a reason should be an offense

[maryam98 1,171]

ever had them threatening to hide your posts for no reason so they could force you to talk about it in PM where they just purposely frustrate you with nonsencical arguments about how something that clearly exists can be considersed as non existent... cause that's what's goingon with me and this joker right now <_< imo threatening to hide my posts without a reason should be an offense

I think that I am going to get myself some popcorn and then slowly read through both pages of comments. It looks like it might be entertaining. And actually. i’m sure that he could find reasons. Not necessarily sensible reasons, but reasons.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I think that I am going to get myself some popcorn and then slowly read through both pages of comments. It looks like it might be entertaining. And actually. i’m sure that he could find reasons. Not necessarily sensible reasons, but reasons.

well I'm very happy someone likes reading what i write. his unjustified reason for moving it to PM was that i was making "personal attack" and because he still hasn't shown me which part i did it, i suppose i can talk about it here. I'll summarize what has happened so far.

 

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I told him that this counts as an announcement because it is public and accessible to anyone so it fits the definition of an announcement.

 

https://ru.tankiforum.com/topic/185185/

 

he tries to deny the it's existence to him based on what "he considers" as well as whether some random people on discord consider it as an announcement.

 

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#2 is in this vlog. thsy did announce change  to the scoring system. and they did announce that people who did the important stuff in a mode will get more score. his defense : they weren't clear. hardly a defense imo, more like showing how mentally challenged he is to understand it.

 

 

 

 

as stated here. they said that the system will change, and that for the player who does the most useful actions in a game mode will get more points. meaning capturing points (reffering to CP), stealing flags, destroying flag carriers (both reffering to CTF) and so on.  This "and so on" is the key. by "and so on" they are talking about important actions in other modes.

 

and we all know what is the most important action in TDM. KILLING.

 

 

 

 

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#3 is easy. the update wasn't done by the devs so they might not even have known about it. there was no reasonfor them to know about it because from their point of view we never should have been able to buy with other countries systems in the first place so nothing changes for them.

 

so if they have no reason to know about it, they could very well not have know about it. and obviously they can't be covert about something they themselves didn't know about.

 

his defense for this is the best one. he doesn't have one, he just continues to pretend to misinterpret what i say.

[maryam98 1,171]

Well, I personally enjoy being able to take the sidelines in an argument like this, normally I’m the one doing the arguing so... And yeah, you’re right about the Russian announcement counting, because if it was announced there it can’t really be ‘covert’. Maybe the CM just forgot to announce it here. #2, well they didn’t give the exact specifics but again it wasn’t truly covert, and #3 just wasn’t an update as such, if they did it it would a bug fix but since they didn’t it was just not something they have to announce.

[kaisdf 3,320]

I actually took it to PM to avoid unnecessary spamming on the article, and to avoid it descending into petty bickering, but since that clearly hasn't worked, I shall write my one, final defence here, and then continue this again in PM. 

 

 

For the first point:

 

The fact that they announce things like overdrives in all communities, but they don't announce this in some communities instantly suggests that there is something to hide (Something covert, if you will) - hence the entire point of my article. My guess behind this is that they know that Russians buy more, and so won't care as much an EN players.

 

Whether it was announced on the RU forum is essentially irrelevant; they didn't announce it on the EN forum, which is what I am writing about - and the announcement is the sum total of 9 words in a set of patch notes, which is still relatively covert compared to similar things which get a full announcement topic dedicated to them.

 

 

For the second point:

 

The vlogs you have suggested talk about crystal distribution based on whether or not a team wins, which is irrelevant to score distribution from kills. They also talk about getting more xp for objective completion. In the PM chain you have floundered a bit here, flipping from "it was" to "it wasn't even an update" to "it was" in the space of three PMs, finally settling on this point. 

 

Claiming that the increased xp for objectives is relevant because it's killing in TDM is rubbish, because the change was implemented in all game modes. 

 

 

For the third point:

 

I didn't know about these updates, I still made an announcement topic (of sorts). Given the amount that Paypal gets used, whether its an "official part of TO" or not like you say, the devs should announce any changes that happen - in the same way that they announced PRO battles being down last week. It was an update that went unannounced; regardless.

[r_Given6 859]

When PayPal wasn't working a topic dedicated to it was there, but I don't remember anything mentioning payment changes.

 

Also, I think that the increase in deduction of Exp from 5 to 10 for self-destructing is also worth mentioning. It never was announced and made me quite angry 'cuz Striker gets huge self-damage even when striking dead tanks. And Striker was my sole turret on this alt.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I actually took it to PM to avoid unnecessary spamming on the article, and to avoid it descending into petty bickering, but since that clearly hasn't worked, I shall write my one, final defence here, and then continue this again in PM.

well reply to me in pm if you like, but as you can see, i have people who like reading what I write and I don't intend to dissapoint them.

 

and you just thanked me in PM for the publicity and resseructing your dead topic anyway

 

For the first point:

 

The fact that they announce things like overdrives in all communities, but they don't announce this in some communities instantly suggests that there is something to hide (Something covert, if you will) - hence the entire point of my article. My guess behind this is that they know that Russians buy more, and so won't care as much an EN players.

 

Whether it was announced on the RU forum is essentially irrelevant; they didn't announce it on the EN forum, which is what I am writing about - and the announcement is the sum total of 9 words in a set of patch notes, which is still relatively covert compared to similar things which get a full announcement topic dedicated to them.

It's not even about whether it was covert or not. I'm am accusing you of lying about the fact that you said they didn't announce it. You an say that they announced it covertly but you can't say that they didn't announce it. which you clearly did when you said that you were announcing stuff to us that the devs won't.

 

 

The vlogs you have suggested talk about crystal distribution based on whether or not a team wins, which is irrelevant to score distribution from kills. They also talk about getting more xp for objective completion. In the PM chain you have floundered a bit here, flipping from "it was" to "it wasn't even an update" to "it was" in the space of three PMs, finally settling on this point.

yeah and youstill can't decide whether or not cambridge defintions are more accurate than public opinion.

 

 

Claiming that the increased xp for objectives is relevant because it's killing in TDM is rubbish, because the change was implemented in all game modes.

 

because killing is important for every game mode. when you make a kill, you are making it easier to capture/defend/score..

 

For the third point:

 

I didn't know about these updates, I still made an announcement topic (of sorts). Given the amount that Paypal gets used, whether its an "official part of TO" or not like you say, the devs should announce any changes that happen - in the same way that they announced PRO battles being down last week. It was an update that went unannounced; regardless.

 

as usual, you pretend not to understand what I have already repeatedly told you.

 

The devs themselves might not have even known that paypal made the update. how the hell can someone be covert about something they themselves didn't even know about?

 

Edited April 18, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI