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[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

6 weekly containers can give you more crystals and supplies on average than 6 normal containers.

Can you show your workings out for this or are you guessing?

but challenges are now every month.. so that's an extra 10 containers a month and 40 containers if you buy the challenge pass... combined with the other rewards you can get from the challenges shouldn't this compensate for the 3 fewer containers per week?

This doesn't explain what was stated. I'd like to see full workings out of how,

"6 weekly containers can give you more crystals and supplies on average than 6 normal containers."

 

Obviously, containers are lucky-dips or a lottery but you do get jackpots now and again. Weekly containers are obviously a better spread, depending on your rank and they allow everyone to compete for a battle or two which is probably the reason tanki have done this.

 

But still, whether it's normal or weekly containers, neither are enough to compete against buyers for any meaningful amount of time.

[Hancho 3,902]

I haven't noticed any changes in turrets, they still feel the same, they don't feel quite ruined which still makes the gameplay enjoyable. 

[alenjohny 2]

seriously tanki changing things in this game could have major effects on the game ya know,there was no need change mission containers.most ppl even get on to play just so they can finish their weekly missions,not to mention 6 containers was still a waste of time now you reduce it??big mess up you guys lost a lot of players just saying

[Radomirswag792 3]

Dude I am playing for a week since that update when its only 3 normal containers and 6 weekly containers and I only get 2 normal containers for all my hard work and get the worst drops.DUDE I am so pissed I am not playing tanki untill they fix it back to normal...gonna just check tanki untill it is fixed.

[Radomirswag792 3]

Dude I am playing for a week since that update when its only 3 normal containers and 6 weekly containers and I only get 2 normal containers for all my hard work and get the worst drops.DUDE I am so pissed I am not playing tanki untill they fix it back to normal...gonna just check tanki untill it is fixed.

 

-I dont even care if I have xts or alot of crystals...the game is just not fun anymore with just 3 containers.I usually get on to complete all my weekly and daily quests,but now? I aint getting on even for 30 mins.

[OKDad70 862]

This doesn't explain what was stated. I'd like to see full workings out of how,

"6 weekly containers can give you more crystals and supplies on average than 6 normal containers."

 

 

Per the wiki, https://en.tankiwiki.com/Containers, weekly containers are clearly defined. Contents go up with rank. The lower ranks have an obvious complaint. Regular containers are the same for everyone.

 

Most of the supplies must be counted at half-list-price, because the 100-supplies is always available at half-price. Batteries are almost always the full overly-inflated price. For Legend, using that and 3000 crystals per weekly containers, a Weekly Container is worth 13500 crystals. Of course, one must use the supplies to convert to crystals in battle, which is fun in good battles, but frustrating and demoralizing in most MM matches. With the earned crystals, we can buy most of what we want out of the containers, but, NOT all. Some things are only in containers. Half the containers is half the chance, regardless of how small; it is still half as much.

 

A 125-pack of one of the four-supplies is worth 3125 (125 pieces times 25 crystals (half regular price)). So, the majority of regular containers are worth less than 1/4th of a Weekly container. Of course, a regular container may contain a 100-pack, which is worth 17500 normally. Regular containers might contain up to 1-million crystals. Of course, I've never heard of it. I think I've heard of only one Skin in containers. Awfully rare no matter how one looks at it.

 

So, if your only objective is supplies and crystals, Weekly containers are okay. Of course, at six per week, one is probably using more of some of the supplies than received each week (especially repair kits, and, obviously, batteries). Regular containers and daily missions should make up the difference, but that assumes you are playing close to 10 hours per week. I don't think most players play more than about five hours per week. Oh well. Tanki doesn't seem to care.

What exactly are you looking for? What did I leave out?

 

For Legends, Weekly containers are worth 13500 crystals, so 81000 for six.

 

For all ranks, a regular container is worth a minimum of 3125 crystals, or 18750 for six.

 

Of course, I've calculated half-price for regular supplies (those available in the 100 kit in the garage for 17500 all the time).

 

I'm just guessing, of course, but it seems to me that mines and speeds are about half of all containers. It seems to me 3500 crystals and 125 packs of DA or DD make up another one-fourth. Though probably not correct, this assumption indicates that of six regular containers four will average about 13000 crystals. That implies two will be worth more. For the remaining one-fourth (to one-third) of regular containers, it seems 10000 crystals and 125 packs of repair kits are most common, so about 10000 crystals for those. Of the remaining "uncommon" containers, 100 supply pack is worth 17500, 50 batteries are worth 15000, 5 gold boxes are worth 5000 (less if you don't catch them), and premium is only worth the crystals you earn on the three days it is active.

 

For "rare" containers, regular paints are most common, with no real crystal value unless it is one you were considering spending crystals on. 25000 crystals and 150 batteries are good value, and 250 supplies. Everything else is too rare to try to average into value calculations.

 

Is that enough to support the assertion that players will, on average, get more out of 6 Weekly containers over 6 regular containers? Given no chance of defining the percent-chance for any given container, it isn't possible to more than subjectively guess, but it seems the overall average will be slightly advantage-Weekly, but winning a million crystals would put the regular containers in the lead for a long time. The lower rank players would be ahead with regular containers on average, probably until about Commander. The Weekly containers offer players the advantage of being able to plan with quantities that can be counted on. Playing enough to get all daily missions each week will produce a known quantity of supplies and crystals. Playing so regularly will also increase efficiency of earning crystals from battles, but, of course, MM will still stuff the best players into the losing team all too often.

 

Regardless, the regular containers offer rewards not available any other way, and the rarest rewards are likely to sooth a lot of wounds, if one is so lucky.

 

My complaint about missions remains how long they take on average. One can play long enough to burn out for the day and have nothing to show for it. The same for a week.

[lssimo 1,559]

That's probably the case - I do many more hours than just the missions.

All Crystals should go to upgrades and not to Supplies. Use Supplies to get Crystals and not the other way around. If you want to play more than necessary you should have another account.

 

You must have a good amount of Batteries by now, I think you should at least have the Trooper Drone to use it when the enemy is starting to spawn kill.

[Nicola_M 1,563]

All Crystals should go to upgrades and not to Supplies. Use Supplies to get Crystals and not the other way around. If you want to play more than necessary you should have another account.

 

You must have a good amount of Batteries by now, I think you should at least have the Trooper Drone to use it when the enemy is starting to spawn kill.

Yes, I've got 571 batteries at the moment.

I have avoided drones until now because although that's a nice figure, they get used at 1 per minute (or 7 per battle) so 81 games later (under a week) I'd be needing to spend again. I never use crystals for supplies.

Also, spawn killing hasn't really been an issue, luckily, so Trooper would not be right for me.

 

No, I'm just battling on and will stock up on supplies in the next shop sale which should be Valentine's Day in a couple of weeks, and I'm on Premium as well so it could be worse.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

What exactly are you looking for? What did I leave out?

You've talked a lot but haven't really said anything have you. But I wasn't asking you.

 

Is that enough to support the assertion that players will, on average, get more out of 6 Weekly containers over 6 regular containers?

Quite frankly, no. Remember the net difference here is +3 weeklies and -3 regulars. That's the starting point here and proper question is about adding 3 of one type, not what's better, 6 of this or 6 of that.

 

Start a poll and tell everyone that they're guaranteed 3 weeklies and 3 regulars but, as a bonus, they have the option of adding 3 more containers of just one type. Which one do you think they'll choose?

 

When asked like this, I think the majority will choose regular containers simply for those extra chances of getting something rare, based on the number of complaints in this topic. Most are willing to sacrifice a small but steady income in order to get themselves chances of nice paint, Premium or a big crystal amount. This is how the lottery works.

 

Whether it's 3+6 or 6+3, neither are enough to allow a f2p player to compete effectively for any meaningful amount of time. Nor do they allow a player to improve their garages at a satisfactory rate.

Edited January 31, 2019 by AbsoluteZero

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

 

You've talked a lot but haven't really said anything have you. But I wasn't asking you.

 

Quite frankly, no. Remember the net difference here is +3 weeklies and -3 regulars. That's the starting point here and proper question is about adding 3 of one type, not what's better, 6 of this or 6 of that.

 

Start a poll and tell everyone that they're guaranteed 3 weeklies and 3 regulars but, as a bonus, they have the option of adding 3 more containers of just one type. Which one do you think they'll choose?

 

 

 

When asked like this, I think the majority will choose regular containers simply for those extra chances of getting something rare, based on the number of complaints in this topic. Most are willing to sacrifice a small but steady income in order to get themselves chances of nice paint, Premium or a big crystal amount. This is how the lottery works.

 

Whether it's 3+6 or 6+3, neither are enough to allow a f2p player to compete effectively for any meaningful amount of time. Nor do they allow a player to improve their garages at a satisfactory rate.

I'm choosing the weekly.  IMO Guaranteed crystals is better than door-number-2 where I often get the useless soccer paints.

 

Depends on how much you play.  We get enough free supplies to complete the missions and play extra. 

If you want to play 5 hours per day - sure you might deplete your stock.  But then there's Pro-Battles no-supllies option as well.

The only supply majority of players would run low on is batteries - and that's by design - they are way over-priced.

[lssimo 1,559]

You've talked a lot but haven't really said anything have you. But I wasn't asking you.

 

Quite frankly, no. Remember the net difference here is +3 weeklies and -3 regulars. That's the starting point here and proper question is about adding 3 of one type, not what's better, 6 of this or 6 of that.

 

Start a poll and tell everyone that they're guaranteed 3 weeklies and 3 regulars but, as a bonus, they have the option of adding 3 more containers of just one type. Which one do you think they'll choose?

 

When asked like this, I think the majority will choose regular containers simply for those extra chances of getting something rare, based on the number of complaints in this topic. Most are willing to sacrifice a small but steady income in order to get themselves chances of nice paint, Premium or a big crystal amount. This is how the lottery works.

 

Whether it's 3+6 or 6+3, neither are enough to allow a f2p player to compete effectively for any meaningful amount of time. Nor do they allow a player to improve their garages at a satisfactory rate.

I haven't done the math on containers, just some calculations.

 

Two times I have opened about 100 containers each time. In one time I got about 280k crystals, and on the other I got about 180k crystals. This was done months ago.

 

Based on that and some other smaller samples I see a container equivalent to about 2k and 2.5k crystals, only taking into account crystals.

 

So I think on average Weekly Containers at high ranks give more crystals than Containers do, but you lose the chances of getting some other valuable items, rare jackpots and nice aesthetics from time to time. Supply wise I have no idea, but I have thousands of them anyway.

Edited January 31, 2019 by lssimo

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Depends on how much you play.  We get enough free supplies to complete the missions and play extra.

An extra 3 weekly containers gives you 60 repair kits.

What would you say if I told you I have been monitoring your hourly consumption today.

 

You used 12 repair kits in 15.4 minutes which equates to 47 Repair Kits per hour.

 

If you want to play 5 hours per day - sure you might deplete your stock.

5hrs * 47 = 235 repair kits

 

conclusion?

Edited January 31, 2019 by AbsoluteZero

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I haven't done the math on containers, just some calculations.

 

Two times I have opened about 100 containers each time. In one time I got about 280k crystals, and on the other I got about 180k crystals. This was done months ago.

 

Based on that and some other smaller samples I see a container equivalent to about 2k and 2.5k crystals, only taking into account crystals.

 

So I think on average Weekly Containers at high ranks give more crystals than Containers do, but you lose the chances of getting some other valuable items, rare jackpots and nice aesthetics from time to time. Supply wise I have no idea, but I have thousands of them anyway.

How much premium did you get when you opened your 200 containers? Probably at least a couple of months worth? Did you open them prior to double funds? You don't get premium in weekly containers. How many crystals is that worth? Much needed extra to improve a low ranker's garage I think.

 

I've opened 200 containers during black friday. I reckon I got at least 600k from them, not counting the benefit from gold boxes, batteries or premium.

 

Anyway, I'm not here to say what is better, 3 weeklies or 3 regulars. I maintain the druggers topic as most of you know and drugging consumption has escalated dramatically in the last year on all ranks due to changes in the game. The game is more drug-centric than ever and in order to qualify for your 3 extra containers, (of either kind), you will have to do 20 missions in matchmaking. Matchmaking, where drugs are used at every rank in crazy quantities. 

 

At your rank, you get 7 Repair kits in a weekly container.

Good luck with that.

Edited January 31, 2019 by AbsoluteZero

[wolverine848 13,097]

An extra 3 weekly containers gives you 60 repair kits.

What would you say if I told you I have been monitoring your hourly consumption today.

 

You used 12 repair kits in 15.4 minutes which equates to 47 Repair Kits per hour.

 

5hrs * 47 = 235 repair kits

 

conclusion?

So my RK stash will go up by 60 each week?  That's awesome news.

 

You are basing your calculations of usage on 15.4 minutes of game-play?  <_<

Your choice of sample-size leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Have I used 47 RKs per hour over my "career"?  I'm sure you have that worked out as well...

 

 

Maybe you should try to use less supplies in your battles if you keep running out.

[lssimo 1,559]

How much premium did you get when you opened your 200 containers? Probably at least a couple of months worth? Did you open them prior to double funds? You don't get premium in weekly containers. How many crystals is that worth? Much needed extra to improve a low ranker's garage I think.

 

I've opened 200 containers during black friday. I reckon I got at least 600k from them, not counting the benefit from gold boxes, batteries or premium.

 

Anyway, I'm not here to say what is better, 3 weeklies or 3 regulars. I maintain the druggers topic as most of you know and drugging consumption has escalated dramatically in the last year on all ranks due to changes in the game. The game is more drug-centric than ever and in order to qualify for your 3 extra containers, (of either kind), you will have to do 20 missions in matchmaking. Matchmaking, where drugs are used at every rank in crazy quantities. 

 

At your rank, you get 7 Repair kits in a weekly container.

Good luck with that.

I know that's why I said that we lose valuable items, like Premiums and Golds.

 

From my experience from those 2 100 containers openings I think I got around 15 days of Premium and some 20 to 25 Golds. This is from some 8 or so months ago.

 

If you don't like Weekly Containers, like me, you may as well just do just 10 missions a week. Check this comparison...

 

 

 

10 Missions :)

 

Week 1: 10/10 and 10/20 = ! Container and 2 Weekly Containers.

Week 2: 10/10 and 20/20 = 2 Containers and 5 Weekly Containers

Total = 3 Containers and 7 Weekly Containers

 

20 Missions :angry:

 

Week 1: 10/10 and 20/20 = 2 Containers and 5 Weekly Containers

Week 2: 10/10 and 20/20 = 2 Containers and 5 Weekly Containers

Total = 4 Containers and 10 Weekly Containers

 

 

 

For me 3 Containers and 7 Weekly Containers are far better than 4 Containers and 10 Weekly Containers.

Edited January 31, 2019 by lssimo

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So my RK stash will go up by 60 each week?  That's awesome news.

 

You are basing your calculations of usage on 15.4 minutes of game-play?  <_<

Your choice of sample-size leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Have I used 47 RKs per hour over my "career"?  I'm sure you have that worked out as well...

 

No need to get embarrassed. I'm just providing facts.

Your career stats don't come in to it. As I said, drugging is more prevalent now due to changes in the game.

 

Here are your last 3 days worth. >> LINK <<

 

On the 29th, you used 55 repair kits per hour. So now after seeing this, you might want to revise your stance a little?

[wolverine848 13,097]

No need to get embarrassed. I'm just providing facts.

Your career stats don't come in to it. As I said, drugging is more prevalent now due to changes in the game.

 

Here are your last 3 days worth. >> LINK <<

 

On the 29th, you used 55 repair kits per hour. So now after seeing this, you might want to revise your stance a little?

Nope.   Depends on what my objective was  that day - if I had difficult missions and difficult competition that day.

 

As I said - I'm not running out of supplies.   But you seem worried you are.

[CommandodudeJ11 33]

I don't like it how isida is nerved, why do you need an alteration to make isida a real isida...?

If you want to see more tanks blow up in the game, remove / nerve REPAIR KIT, but not isida

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Nope.   Depends on what my objective was  that day - if I had difficult missions and difficult competition that day.

 

As I said - I'm not running out of supplies.   But you seem worried you are.

You obviously have a nice little stash that will get you through for a time. Others won't have this luxury and I worry about the picture, not just me.

 

So to recap, you did a maxiumum of 9 missions in the last 3 days, using 44 repair kits in 53 minutes which is 51 RK / Hr.

You get 120 RK's for 6 weeklies.

 

Seems like your "5 hours a day" is obsolete now. More like 3hrs a week will deplete your stock!

Edited January 31, 2019 by AbsoluteZero

[wolverine848 13,097]

You obviously have a nice little stash that will get you through for a time. Others won't have this luxury and I worry about the picture, not just me.

 

So to recap, you did a maxiumum of 9 missions in the last 3 days, using 44 repair kits in 53 minutes which is 51 RK / Hr.

You get 120 RK's for 6 weeklies.

 

Seems like your "5 hours a day" is obsolete now. More like 3hrs a week will deplete your stock!

You sound so sure... are you worried for me?   Cuz I'm not.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

You sound so sure... are you worried for me?   Cuz I'm not.

 

Others won't have this luxury and I worry about the picture, not just me.

I've never been selfish.

[lssimo 1,559]

You know, I'm not sure that we get more Supplies from Weeklly Containers even at Legend ranks.

 

Only 20 Repair Kits and 10 batteries for Legends, imagine the rest of us.

 

I think we need to reevaluate our supply usage.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I've never been selfish.

Everyone can have the exact same "luxury" I do.

 

There are a LOT of things wrong with TO.   Supplies are not really one of them - even for f2p tankers (like me).

 

One of the solutions is better management of supplies.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Everyone can have the exact same "luxury" I do.

Maybe, but not everyone drugs as much as you do and maybe they don't want to just do missions then disappear to drug-free battles. Or maybe they haven't been saving supplies as much or as long as you have when the going was easier.

 

You may think I am but I'm not arguing for or against the recent switch. I'm just merely making the point that it's too hard to compete for anyone trying to progress in this game. I know I wouldn't do it again and I wouldn't recommend this game to anyone because the fun-factor has been sapped out of it due to the overselling of power and it's only going to get worse.

 

To top it all off, the better or stronger you get in this game, MatchMaking will put paid to that too. It will strive to balance the sides anyway and invariably you will be placed with clueless individuals that don't know what day it is.

[Nicola_M 1,563]

Here are your last 3 days worth. >> LINK <<

 

On the 29th, you used 55 repair kits per hour. So now after seeing this, you might want to revise your stance a little?

That's Great.

Where can we get those stats for our own accounts?