Declined sue some hackers and scammers

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

hacking in a game is illegal and tanki has the right to sue the hackers. of course, they have to prove that the people are doing it for profit... so when someone clearly and repeatedly hacks for gold or to win to take the funds, tanki should have a good chance at winning the case. 

I know that tanki doesn't have the time or money to spare to sue every single hacker and scammer... soi suggest that they should choose a few that they are really confident they can win against and use this as a deterrent to prevent other people from thinking about trying. 

the risk of losing in court is small and even then, it will still be worth it as it will also cost the hacker quite a bit. and even the chance of suffering a loss is low. however, i feel that if they were to start doing this, people will really be deterred into hacking in tanki and we can achieve a hacker free game which everyone will love. 

[Maf 32,328]

Declined

 

It's absolutely not worth going to court over a few players using third-party software. Now, if it's a big publisher of software that's clearly damaging the game's reputation by distributing "hacks", then maybe. But Tanki has their own people specifically hired to deal with legal cases, so I'd leave such decisions up to them.

[Aigaion 636]

talk about making a mountain out of a mole-hill 

[master_howitzer 64]

I kinda wish they would only have the anticheatsystem enabled for the lower ranks so I can easily video record and tattle hackers that for some reason are stupid enough to use their legend accounts to jump speed or shoot hack

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Declined

so I'd leave such decisions up to them.

so... let them know of the idea and leave it up to them to decide? just declining it won't be letting them decide cause they won't even know about the idea

[Maf 32,328]

so... let them know of the idea and leave it up to them to decide? just declining it won't be letting them decide cause they won't even know about the idea

This is just not the kind of ideas that the section is meant for. Devs won't be looking for suggestions from their player base when it comes to legal matters of their game.

[lssimo 1,559]

Can you sue a 12 year old kid? For his or her allowance money? And no TV for a week, please.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

you sue his parents of course.

[lssimo 1,559]

you sue his parents of course.

The hacking is an illegal activity, but what will be the damages and what the compensation Tanki will be asking for.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

depends on what the hacker does. for a jump hacker the damages will be that he gets extra cystals without having to spend money to pay for it. and that his actions encourage others to follow him. also, he makes the game less enjoyable for every body else and will cause the game to lose customers.

of course tanki will ask for money. but i suppose they could also settle for the hacker(or his parents) getting other kinds of punishment as this idea is meant to act as a deterrence factor for everyone else.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Dude just use the vote feature.

[Truthteller 4,204]

lol

[Guest]

Hackers always get blocked at some point. Just console yourself with the hope that they'll be dealt with sooner rather than later

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

I don't think this will stop very many people.

 

75% of hackers/scammers will probably never know that lawsuit happened.

75% of the remaining ones probably won't care.

[u812ic 1,629]

In which Country do you suppose the suit will happen? Under whose law? In some Countries, hacking is legal, but cracking is not. You have to make that distinguishment and use the right terminology.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I don't think this will stop very many people.

 

75% of hackers/scammers will probably never know that lawsuit happened.

instead of having sales for chrismas and all that, have sales to celebrate lawsuits won

 

 

75% of the remaining ones probably won't care.

 

doesn't matter. this would mean that we already get rid of 80% of the hackers ;)

 

 

In which Country do you suppose the suit will happen? Under whose law? In some Countries, hacking is legal, but cracking is not. You have to make that distinguishment and use the right terminology.

international laws of course. and under that as long as you can prove that it's for profit then it's illegal. and i already explained this in the main topic (unless a mod removed it)

[lssimo 1,559]

instead of having sales for chrismas and all that, have sales to celebrate lawsuits won

 

 

 

doesn't matter. this would mean that we already get rid of 80% of the hackers ;)

 

 

international laws of course. and under that as long as you can prove that it's for profit then it's illegal. and i already explained this in the main topic (unless a mod removed it)

I think you have to sue a person where the crime was committed, in this case where the hacker lives. If that's the case Tanki would have to send the lawyer all over the world. He or she would be busy with the procedures against one hacker for days. Then the lawyer will likely ask for money for a hotel room and some meals. He or she will be reading the local laws all night.

 

Now let's say it all happens on an international court, under international law, the lawyer will have to wait for days until the player arrives with his or her lawyer.

 

But wait, how will Tanki know who to sue? An IP address is not always assigned to a particular device or house, or person.

 

Then what if the kid and family are poor and have no money to pay for damages? If we only go against the rich, a rich kid that hacks instead of buying, and what if rich dad hires a mean lawyer who counter sues Tanki asking for lawyer fees if mean lawyer wins.

 

You see, it's very complicated and not practical.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I think you have to sue a person where the crime was committed, in this case where the hacker lives. If that's the case Tanki would have to send the lawyer all over the world. He or she would be busy with the procedures against one hacker for days. Then the lawyer will likely ask for money for a hotel room and some meals. He or she will be reading the local laws all night.

 

Now let's say it all happens on an international court, under international law, the lawyer will have to wait for days until the player arrives with his or her lawyer.

 

But wait, how will Tanki know who to sue? An IP address is not always assigned to a particular device or house, or person.

 

Then what if the kid and family are poor and have no money to pay for damages? If we only go against the rich, a rich kid that hacks instead of buying, and what if rich dad hires a mean lawyer who counter sues Tanki asking for lawyer fees if mean lawyer wins.

 

You see, it's very complicated and not practical.

as explained in the first topic, tanki will only select those that they are confident of winning, so naturally they will also select those that will be profitable for them to sue. from an IP adress you can gauge more or less what kind of person is doing the hacking. from IP it is possible to find out other stuff because there could be a trail to follow from there.

 

also, some rich families would be ashamed of hacking a game, so even if tanki loses the case... the damage will still be done to their ego.

 

 

maybe they can start with sueing only a few hackers, then if this works and tanki manages to deter a good lot of the hckers, they will attract more players and buyers and they'll be able to start sueing more and more of them and eventually get rid of hackers completely.

 

okay, i get it that there comes with a risk... but what's the harm in giving a try starting with just sueing 1 hacker and see how it goes?

[u812ic 1,629]

IP addresses are temporary. Let's say you have a laptop. When at home, you have an address. Reboot your modem and you're assigned another address. Go to your friend's house and you have a different address. Then off to the coffee house, a different address. Everywhere you go, the IP address changes. So, let's say you go back to your friend's house, you will be assigned a different address from the one you had before. You can also hide your IP address by using a VPN program, most are free to download. 

 

So, tell me again how you can track down a hacker by using the IP address. 

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

IP addresses are temporary. Let's say you have a laptop. When at home, you have an address. Reboot your modem and you're assigned another address. Go to your friend's house and you have a different address. Then off to the coffee house, a different address. Everywhere you go, the IP address changes. So, let's say you go back to your friend's house, you will be assigned a different address from the one you had before. You can also hide your IP address by using a VPN program, most are free to download. 

 

So, tell me again how you can track down a hacker by using the IP address. 

malware, doxing, etc..

 

i said that was what you could do with IP, but i didn't say that IP was the only way

 

 

i didn't go into all this detail because this is not your problem. I am here to suggest an idea, and the people who will implement it already know how to do it. unless you are working for tanki why do you need to know all this.

[Michael828 817]

That's a little too extreme, like robbing a bank using a nuclear bomb.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

extreme maybe, but this isn't robbing a bank. this isn't commiting a crime. this is in the name of justice ;)

[u812ic 1,629]

malware, doxing, etc..

 

i said that was what you could do with IP, but i didn't say that IP was the only way

 

 

i didn't go into all this detail because this is not your problem. I am here to suggest an idea, and the people who will implement it already know how to do it. unless you are working for tanki why do you need to know all this.

This is a public forum where anyone can view, but only members logged in can comment. We can comment if we want. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. If you don't want anyone to comment, then either PM a Mod or don't make posts. Personally, I don't think your post is very well thought out, you haven't done your legal homework, and you are getting into an area that is a lot more complicated than you think. 

 

The EULA or Terms of Service is between the player and the Developers. It's an agreement, not a law. I'm not going into any more legalities. I suggest you do some reading on the subject because you don't know what you are talking about, you have no idea of the complexities. No Lawyer in his/her right mind is going to pursue this. Hackers know this and it's about time you did too. 

 

Perhaps, if you don't want any further comments on your post, you can always ask for it to be closed. In which case, it will sink down into oblivion. 

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

This is a public forum where anyone can view, but only members logged in can comment. We can comment if we want. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. If you don't want anyone to comment, then either PM a Mod or don't make posts. Personally, I don't think your post is very well thought out, you haven't done your legal homework, and you are getting into an area that is a lot more complicated than you think. 

 

The EULA or Terms of Service is between the player and the Developers. It's an agreement, not a law. I'm not going into any more legalities. I suggest you do some reading on the subject because you don't know what you are talking about, you have no idea of the complexities. No Lawyer in his/her right mind is going to pursue this. Hackers know this and it's about time you did too. 

 

Perhaps, if you don't want any further comments on your post, you can always ask for it to be closed. In which case, it will sink down into oblivion. 

i know you can comment if you want, but why are you asking for details and also asking for me to do more reading? you are the one who should be reading up for the details. i'm just saying that because you're not  the one I'm suggesting the idea to, i should not have to explain details to you.

[u812ic 1,629]

I'm not asking you for anything. I'm only suggesting you do some reading. 

 

This idea was declined anyway, so I'm done. 

 

Bye.