Striker Recoil

[GorgoBlesk 831]

So you need Russian example ... 9P157 2 Khrizantema S - mounted on a BMP-3 which has armor like a light tank.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUHsUdTQdw

 

 

It has probably less armor than some WW2 light tanks.

 

Side armor:

 

BMP-1: 20mm

BMP-2: 18mm*1,2 (hardened steel)

 

M3/M5 Stuart: 25,4mm

M24 Chaffee: 25,4mm

Panzer 38 F: 30mm

T-50: 40-55mm

[wolverine848 13,097]

It has probably less armor than some WW2 light tanks.

 

Side armor:

 

BMP-1: 20mm

BMP-2: 18mm*1,2 (hardened steel)

 

M3/M5 Stuart: 25,4mm

M24 Chaffee: 25,4mm

Panzer 38 F: 30mm

T-50: 40-55mm

Oh I understand.       Explain that to Zjtrkjufduds  who thinks Mammoth is basically a Panzer I...  :blink:

[shafter9 156]

this is not the one i like. the one i like is the one with recoil

 

which part of "soviet" can you not understand? 

 

and i want something lesser than the weight of a mammoth (4000kg)

This is a circular argument. When I, or someone else, tries to demonstrate rocket launchers have no recoil, you say the only rocket launcher analogous to Striker is one that has recoil. This is not a falsifiable argument. 

 

You want something with a weight less than that of mammoth? We've shown you videos with people, who certainly weigh less than mammoth.

Edited March 9, 2019 by shafter9

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

and i've also shown video's of people who fired rocket launchers with recoil.

what you demonstrate might be the majority of rocket launchers, but it doesn't prove that there's some rocket launcher out there that does have recoil which design could have been chosen to be incorperated in the design of striker.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Oh I understand.       Explain that to Zjtrkjufduds  who thinks Mammoth is basically a Panzer I...  :blink:

look at it this way... wasp and hornet look more like cars than they look like tanks, hunter and wiking look more like armoured vechicles... so in the real world mammoth would be a light tank

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Well this topic has turned into an argument between two egoheads :ph34r:

[GorgoBlesk 831]

look at it this way... wasp and hornet look more like cars than they look like tanks, hunter and wiking look more like armoured vechicles... so in the real world mammoth would be a light tank

Real life equivalents:

 

Wasp: T-26, M3 Stuart, Panzer 35, Panzer 38 (light tanks)

 

Hornet: M18 Hellcat (light tank destroyer), AMX-13 (light tank)

 

Viking: Leopard, Chieftain (main battle tanks)

 

Hunter: T-34, Panther (medium tanks), T-50 (light tank)

 

Dictator: M50 Ontos (light tank destroyer)

 

Titan: ARL-44 (heavy tank), M26 Pershing, M46 Patton, M4 Sherman (medium tanks)

 

Mammoth: Char B1 (heavy tank)

Edited March 11, 2019 by GorgoBlesk

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Mammoth: Char B1 (heavy tank)

that's 7 times it's weight

 

go learn the meaning of an equivalent before you ever talk to me again

[shafter9 156]

and i've also shown video's of people who fired rocket launchers with recoil.

 

what you demonstrate might be the majority of rocket launchers, but it doesn't prove that there's some rocket launcher out there that does have recoil which design could have been chosen to be incorperated in the design of striker.

The burden of proof's on you. 

Also, the kg is a meaningless unit Tanki tacked on to the specifications. It would more accurately be "an arbitrary but consistent unit of weight," just like a health point on a tank is a arbitrary but consistent unit of strength.  A mammoth certainly weighs more than 4000kg, if one were ever built... The weight simply determines how the hull behaves if it gets impacted by something. It is proportional to the impact and recoil forces, and has been adjusted to get a good balance/"feeling." It isn't literally Kilograms, any more than the damage from turrets is the equivalent of some real-world system of hit points. 

 

For example, m0 wasp weighs half as much as m3 wasp. Why would this be, in the real world? It's nonsensical, and is meant to be balanced compared to other in-game items, not some real-world equivalent.

Edited March 12, 2019 by shafter9

[wolverine848 13,097]

Real life equivalents:

 

 

 

Wasp: T-26, M3 Stuart, Panzer 35, Panzer 38 (light tanks)

 

Hornet: M18 Hellcat (light tank destroyer), AMX-13 (light tank)

 

Viking: Leopard, Chieftain (main battle tanks)

 

Hunter: T-34, Panther (medium tanks), T-50 (light tank)

 

Dictator: M50 Ontos (light tank destroyer)

 

Titan: ARL-44 (heavy tank), M26 Pershing, M46 Patton, M4 Sherman (medium tanks)

 

Mammoth: Char B1 (heavy tank)

 

 

You are wasting your breath.

 

Zkfrtottottto can't get his/her mind around the fact that TO uses relative sizes in the game.

He/she thinks only in literal terms.

 

He/she thinks a tank that weighs 2000kg can carry around a cannon like Thunder.  The Thunder itself would weigh > 2000kg in real life.

 

Maybe these are all toys?

 

(FYI... I'd swap m50 Ontos and Panther in your comparison - Panther weighs > 40 tons and was heaviest of medium tanks like dictator)

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

not some real-world equivalent.

you are the one comparing striker to it's real world equilavents

 

 

 

either compare everything or don't copare at all. you are not the one who gets to decide what stuff they get to take directly and what they get to adjust

Edited March 12, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[wolverine848 13,097]

you are the one comparing striker to it's real world equilavents

 

 

 

either compare everything or don't copare at all. you are not the one who gets to decide what stuff they get to take directly and what they get to adjust

You think a "tank" like Mammoth that is heavily armored would only weigh slightly more than a Ford-F150 pickup truck (Curb weight: 5,668 to 7,526 lbs)?

 

How is it that you can't understand what everyone is telling you.

The weights listed in TO for hulls are CAMPARATORS - not actual weights.

 

They could have just as easily used 12tons vs 25tons vs 50tons.

But they kept it simple at 2000kg vs 3000kg vs 4000kg.

It's all RATIOS.

 

The hulls themselves are of course modeled on real-world equivalents.

And thus how they react to environment and stimulus should be reflected in a way that approximates "reality".

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

You think a "tank" like Mammoth that is heavily armored would only weigh slightly more than a Ford-F150 pickup truck (Curb weight: 5,668 to 7,526 lbs)?

 

How is it that you can't understand what everyone is telling you.

The weights listed in TO for hulls are CAMPARATORS - not actual weights.

 

They could have just as easily used 12tons vs 25tons vs 50tons.

But they kept it simple at 2000kg vs 3000kg vs 4000kg.

It's all RATIOS.

 

The hulls themselves are of course modeled on real-world equivalents.

And thus how they react to environment and stimulus should be reflected in a way that approximates "reality".

why not? considering the time it takes to reach maximum speed that weight is actually very reasonable.

[GorgoBlesk 831]

that's 7 times it's weight

 

go learn the meaning of an equivalent before you ever talk to me again

I wrote the real life equivalents by appearance, not by weight...

[GorgoBlesk 831]

(FYI... I'd swap m50 Ontos and Panther in your comparison - Panther weighs > 40 tons and was heaviest of medium tanks like dictator)

I have chosen the equivalent tanks by appearance. M50 Ontos looks VERY similar to Dictator.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

I wrote the real life equivalents by appearance, not by weight...

yeah I'm sure you did.... cause mammoth looks NOTHING like char B1

[wolverine848 13,097]

why not? considering the time it takes to reach maximum speed that weight is actually very reasonable.

Stop being dense.  At 4000 kg it would barely be armored at all.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Stop being dense.  At 4000 kg it would barely be armored at all.

...and?

 

here, when they said that it has heavy armour they were speaking relatively compared to the other hulls here.

 

wasp isn't even a tank to begin with, it's clearly a car. so mammoth, which weighs only twice as much as a wasp would make sense to be only barely armoured.

[wolverine848 13,097]

...and?

 

here, when they said that it has heavy armour they were speaking relatively compared to the other hulls here.

 

wasp isn't even a tank to begin with, it's clearly a car. so mammoth, which weighs only twice as much as a wasp would make sense to be only barely armoured.

"A moving fortress on tracks"... would be barely armoured?

 

 

So the heaviest is like a truck and the lightest is like a car?

 

What is the game called again?

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

"A moving fortress on tracks"... would be barely armoured?

it's barely armoured if you compare it to tanks like your abrams that don't exist here. but here, in tanki, where it has the most armour (excluding juggernaut) it is an armoured fortress on tracks relatively speaking. it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand relativety

So the heaviest is like a truck and the lightest is like a car?

 

What is the game called again?

"all unnecessary parts were removed, including armour" is there a tank with armour removed?

 

 

 

 

you can pretend to be stupid all you want.

[wolverine848 13,097]

it's barely armoured if you compare it to tanks like your abrams that don't exist here. but here, in tanki, where it has the most armour (excluding juggernaut) it is an armoured fortress on tracks relatively speaking. it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand relativety

"all unnecessary parts were removed, including armour" is there a tank with armour removed?

 

you can pretend to be stupid all you want.

So you really have no clue what tanks are - correct?

Even the light military vehicle like a HUMVEE can mount an anti-tank missile without recoil.

Heck even a person can stand on the ground and fire an anti-tank missile with little recoil.

 

You are dense or trolling.

 

Either way your posts make no sense.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

So you really have no clue what tanks are - correct?

Even the light military vehicle like a HUMVEE can mount an anti-tank missile without recoil.

Heck even a person can stand on the ground and fire an anti-tank missile with little recoil.

and i showed you one with recoil. now for the last time, there are different kinds of rocket launchers, and while there are some that don't have recoil, there are others that do and that justifies how striker has recoil.

 

 

Either way your posts make no sense.

that would be that post where you said you were leaving but never did

[GorgoBlesk 831]

yeah I'm sure you did.... cause mammoth looks NOTHING like char B1

Mammoth has very unique and unrealistic design so I decided to choose a tank that looks just little bit like Mammoth.

 

Find a real tank which looks like Mammoth and then show it to me xD

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Mammoth has very unique and unrealistic design so I decided to choose a tank that looks just little bit like Mammoth.

 

Find a real tank which looks like Mammoth and then show it to me xD

renault FT-17

 

 

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and i'm not so sure you did the rest based on looks either. other than M50 ontos, the rest don't even look like what you said they do. 

char b1 looks like titan but you put it under mammoth, T-50 looks like hunter but you put it under titan... I'm very very sure you classifed them by looks alright  :rolleyes:

Edited March 13, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[deathtank103 3]

Very important issue here that's definately worthy of such heated debate :rolleyes: