Tweaks to Overdrives, Turrets, and Drones

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Yes exactly, I agree with the idea of buffing Dictators but this is flawed, the fact that Dictator cannot benefit from the overdrive means that actually this is a Dictator NERF.

Just imagine the typical scenario, say you are using Dictator and there is another Dictator in your team. The rest of your team are benefiting from a 50% overdrive charge buff every time that Dictator uses it's overdrive... except you. So this is a BUFF to every other hull than Dictator when it comes to gaining score.

Sure you help your team win, but in the Challenges system we have to get a certain placement to get stars. This means after this change it will be harder for Dictator to earn stars.

Of course they do not give the Dictators themselves the overdrive buff because multiple Dictators could have infinite overdrives if they teamed up. So there is no good solution, just get rid of this change all together and give Dictator a personal buff instead like a buff to damage/protecton, like Hornet's overdrive. The Hornet is a good model - it gives a strong personal buff for itself as well as a benefit for its team, this is how Dictator overdrive should be.

 

 

No, this is not a good change for Dictators if you think about it - if you are a Dictator user, this is a Dictator nerf. See my post above for explanation.

 

Clearly you have misread it, it says "except other allied dictators" so the dictator that activates OD will get it, but other dictators won't.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Clearly you have misread it, it says "except other allied dictators" so the dictator that activates OD will get it, but other dictators won't.

nah, you misread it.

 

 

Dictator Overdrive "Overload"

 

This Overdrive will have an additional beneficial effect: replenishing 50% of the Overdrive charge of all allies in the area of action, except other allied Dictators.

it says "of all allies"

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

Clearly you have misread it, it says "except other allied dictators" so the dictator that activates OD will get it, but other dictators won't.

No I haven't misread it at all, I think you are misunderstanding my point.

 

The change reads: "This Overdrive will have an additional beneficial effect: replenishing 50% of the Overdrive charge of all allies in the area of action, except other allied Dictators."

 

Yes of course the Dictator will get their supplies with overdrive as normal, but the change is that all ALLIES will get a 50% of their overdrive charge restored, EXCEPT other allied Dictators. So this means that Dictator is the only hull that will NOT get a 50% overdrive charge bonus from allied Dictators in their team, every other hull will, so in practice using a Dictator it will now be harder to get stars.

 

I gave an example: Say you have 2 or 3 Dictators (including you), in your team. When they overdrive your friendly Vikings, Titans and so on will all get a buff to their overdrive, and you will not. So it will be harder to compete with them for stars than it is now.

 

So in reality, this looks like a buff but actually Dictator is the only hull which will NOT benefit from this change.

 

Dictator needs to get a personal buff, like hornet, when using overdrive, as well as allies due to the mechanics of the challenge/star system.

 

 

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

nah, you misread it.

 

 

 

it says "of all allies" "except other allied dictators"

Fixed it for you ;)

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Fixed it for you ;)

okay, and how would that mean that the dictator itself would benefit from it?

 

it is not it's own ally in the first place, so even if it's not included in the exclusion it still wouldn't be part of those who would benefit from the newly added part of it's own overdrive

[featwasath 267]

Guys, you haven't fixed that problem with enemy marker which appears when an ally Hornet activates its overdrive. It's really annoying, please make it smaller or make it appear above the tank  :mellow:

[lssimo 1,559]

Yes exactly, I agree with the idea of buffing Dictators but this is flawed, the fact that Dictator cannot benefit from the overdrive means that actually this is a Dictator NERF.

 

Just imagine the typical scenario, say you are using Dictator and there is another Dictator in your team. The rest of your team are benefiting from a 50% overdrive charge buff every time that Dictator uses it's overdrive... except you. So this is a BUFF to every other hull than Dictator when it comes to gaining score.

 

Sure you help your team win, but in the Challenges system we have to get a certain placement to get stars. This means after this change it will be harder for Dictator to earn stars.

 

Of course they do not give the Dictators themselves the overdrive buff because multiple Dictators could have infinite overdrives if they teamed up. So there is no good solution, just get rid of this change altogether and give Dictator a personal buff instead like a buff to damage/protecton, like Hornet's overdrive. The Hornet is a good model - it gives a strong personal buff for itself as well as a benefit for its team, this is how Dictator overdrive should be.

 

No, this is not a good change for Dictators if you think about it - if you are a Dictator user, this is a Dictator nerf. See my post above for explanation.

 

EDIT: But I do think the devs had the right general idea to buff Dictator's overdrive, though this is the wrong way to do it. Also, the rest of the changes are overall pretty good, all considered I think this is one of the best patches so far with buffs to Wasp and Vulcan etc. being much needed.

And team mates will be bumping or shooting you wanting you to use your OD.

 

Meanwhile Wasps can go to enemies base drop a bomb, watch the enemies die, then take the flag and head to base.

 

That's why it's better to have mutiple accounts with different hulls, because tweaks like these will be common practice.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

So this means that Dictator is the only hull that will NOT get a 50% overdrive charge bonus from allied Dictators in their team, every other hull will, so in practice using a Dictator it will now be harder to get stars.

then don't share it with friendly wasps, vikings, hornets and mammoths. only share it with Titans so you can hide inside their dome or Hunter's whom you can steal their kills after they activate their overdrive ;)

Edited April 25, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

No I haven't misread it at all, I think you are misunderstanding my point.

 

The change reads: "This Overdrive will have an additional beneficial effect: replenishing 50% of the Overdrive charge of all allies in the area of action, except other allied Dictators."

 

Yes of course the Dictator will get their supplies with overdrive as normal, but the change is that all ALLIES will get a 50% of their overdrive charge restored, EXCEPT other allied Dictators. So this means that Dictator is the only hull that will NOT get a 50% overdrive charge bonus from allied Dictators in their team, every other hull will, so in practice using a Dictator it will now be harder to get stars.

I gave an example: Say you have 2 or 3 Dictators (including you), in your team. When they overdrive your friendly Vikings, Titans and so on will all get a buff to their overdrive, and you will not. So it will be harder to compete with them for stars than it is now.

 

So in reality, this looks like a buff but actually Dictator is the only hull which will NOT benefit from this change.

Dictator needs to get a personal buff, like hornet, when using overdrive, as well as allies due to the mechanics of the challenge/star system.

 

So you want team battles to be full of dictators that spam their ODs? Because that will happen if other dictators get the replenishment bonus as well.

 

 

Plus dictator already his it's personal buff, in solo battles that is.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

So you want team battles to be full of dictators that spam their ODs? Because that will happen if other dictators get the replenishment bonus as well.

that's not what he suggested and it's not the only way to buff it.

 

one example would be to make it have 5 minutes of all drugs activated instead of just 30 seconds. but only for itself, allies will still get just 30 seconds.

 

Plus dictator already his it's personal buff, in solo battles that is.

in solo modes nothing has changed for dictator

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

okay, and how would that mean that the dictator itself would benefit from it?

it is not it's own ally in the first place, so even if it's not included in the exclusion it still wouldn't be part of those who would benefit from the newly added part of it's own overdrive

And how would you know? If that were the case then why did they say "other" as in "except other allied dictators"?

[lssimo 1,559]

How about making Repair Kits give 2000 HP instant, and maybe even nothing more than that?

 

That would be a boost to Dictator's OD also.

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

then don't share it with friendly wasps, vikings, hornets and mammoths. only share it with Titans so you can hide inside their dome or Hunter's whom you can steal their kills after they activate their overdrive ;)

Haha  :lol:  Indeed lol, I can see this encouraging people not to share their overdrives except with other tanks who will benefit them. Nice idea, but in practice this is not the right change to make Dictator competitive.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

And how would you know? If that were the case then why did they say "other" as in "except other allied dictators"?

because it refers to "all allies except other allied dictators"

 

this "other" refers to the exclusion of friendly dictators. the "all allies" does not include the dictator in the first place"

 

when they said "all allies" it means al teammates except the dictator. they later excluded the other dictators but the dictator wasn't included in the first place so there was no need to include it in the later exclusion

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

So you want team battles to be full of dictators that spam their ODs? Because that will happen if other dictators get the replenishment bonus as well.

 

 

Plus dictator already his it's personal buff, in solo battles that is.

Bro I already addressed this in my post, please read what I wrote. I appreciated this and that's why I said this should be scrapped, and suggested a boost to damage/defence or speed instead for the Dictator in addition to the current effect to balance. Dictator does have a personal buff but compared to other overdrives it is not enough (especially at high ranks where drones allow you to have full drugs most of the time anyway, and that is why I assume they felt it needed changing). The problem is that this is actually a nerf overall to Dictator, when it comes to getting stars, so it is the opposite of what is needed.

Edited April 25, 2019 by DestrotankAI9

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Haha  :lol:  Indeed lol, I can see this encouraging people not to share their overdrives except with other tanks who will benefit them. Nice idea, but in practice this is not the right change to make Dictator competitive.

I feel that it is the perfect change and it makes dictator worthy of it's name. dictator is supposed to be a ruthless leader... with this overdrive, it shall be able to decide who he wants to empower for his own benefit.

 

if it needs a dome, it empowers a titan. if it needs someone to kill everyone inside an enemy titan's dome, it empowers  mammoth.

 

basically whoever it grants power to whoever it needs for it's own interests. however, if an ally is of no use to him then he can fart off ;)

 

nothing feels better than getting to decide who shall work for you

Edited April 25, 2019 by ZloyDanuJI

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Bro I already addressed this in my post, please read what I wrote. I appreciated this and that's why I said this should be scrapped, and suggested a boost to damage/defence or speed instead for the Dictator in addition to the current effect to balance. Dictator does have a personal buff but compared to other overdrives it is not enough (especially at high ranks where drones allow you to have full drugs most of the time anyway, and that is why I assume they felt it needed changing). The problem is that this is actually a nerf overall to Dictator, when it comes to getting stars, so it is the opposite of what is needed.

 

Stars shouldn't be the whole point of the game. And what's stopping you from just playing in solo battles?

[Kelliesheroes 6]

hornet is the only hull i use and basically the only one that's almost fully upgraded why keep reducing it's power and as if the big turrets and tanks aren't powerful enough you make them more invincible i look at these games i see red side and the blue side same level one side every player has at least 500 pts or more the other team less than 500 when i go into battle or matchup i barely get 200 if lucky you keep ruining this game by over powering the turrets and hulls that are invincible already bullsht and your match ups are not equally matched up why not work on that before you start adding more crap to items that don't need it

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

Stars shouldn't be the whole point of the game. And what's stopping you from just playing in solo battles?

Sorry but everyone know stars are an integral part of the game, especially for Free 2 play players, essential for gaining income and items for progression. That is the way Alternativa have made the game with Challenges. Fair enough if they want to make it that way, but that is the way it is.

 

There is no reason a hull should be forced into solo battles only, and the fact is Dictator's overdrive is not as strong as others, which is obviously recognised or no buff would have been suggested. Dictator already gives a strong buff to allies, as I think everyone would agree, and there would be no need to make this stronger - so that can't have been the intent of the change. The intent was to make Dictator itself stronger, and in fact for Dictator players this achieves the opposite. Therefore, it is not a good change, and needs to be changed to a personal buff instead - that is my point.

 

However, I do agree with the idea of buffing Dictator, and all other other changes as far as I can see are good.

Edited April 25, 2019 by DestrotankAI9

[Adab 2,896]

Nice, good!  ;)

[Kelliesheroes 6]

you ought change the name of this game to cybor tanki since everything is cyborized and futuristic for craps sake !

[lssimo 1,559]

I agree, Dictator OD tweak is a buff for other hulls, but it could be OP in coordinated teams. Imagine a Group made up of 2 Titans and 1 Dictator camping where Nuclear Energy drops.

 

And I think this also makes the dominating teams stronger... which means more one sided battles.

Edited April 25, 2019 by lssimo

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

I agree, Dictator OD tweak is a buff for other hulls, but it could be OP in coordinated teams. Imagine a Group made up of 2 Titans and 1 Dictator camping where Nuclear Energy drops.

 

And I think this also makes the dominating teams stronger... which more one sided battles.

That is totally true, that is another reason why I think this change wouldn't be good. It could create balance issues with groups, and it will mean overall there are even more overdrives per game than now. Overdrives already in my opinion, charge too fast. I think this one needs to go back to the drawing board.

Edited April 25, 2019 by DestrotankAI9

[wolverine848 13,097]

Clearly you have misread it, it says "except other allied dictators" so the dictator that activates OD will get it, but other dictators won't.

It's clear as mud.  Could be taken either way and Mods/Admins should clarify that.

 

remove Hornets OD . its not worthy to use . it even allows the other team to take you out .. due to the fact you can't recharge health when activated but you can equip other drugs..

What do you mean by "can't recharge health"?

 

Seems pretty potent to me. Rails can one-shot most hulls now.

[Guest winner110]

it looks like i going to be useing vulcan lot more! these changes are awesome!   THX Tanki Online! :D

Edited April 25, 2019 by winner110