invalid Making Dictator a Real Dictator

[r_Given6 859]

As you probably have realised by now, the OD buff Dictator got makes it incompetent as compared to other hull's OD. Sure the Dictator can put its favourite commander (most probably Titan) to action, but it deserves a personal bonus as well. What kind of dictator gives others a bonus it doesn't receive?
So here's my idea of giving Dictator a personal bonus from its OD like no other hull:

It grants special immunity only to the user for 10 seconds which includes:
 

• No Afterburn
  Affects:
  Firebird
  Incendiary alterations
• No Freezing Effect
  Affects:
  Freeze
  Freezing alterations
  Hunter's OD (Hunter's OD disables Dictator's special immunity but does not shock it)
• Restrictions on nanobots
  Affects:
  Isida (If an enemy isida is attacking you and you move away, the stream of nanobots won't stretch beyond a limit)
• No Impact Force
  Affects:
  Twins
  Ricochet
  Hammer
  Vulcan
  Smoky
  Thunder
  Striker
  Railgun
  Shaft
  Magnum
  Wasp's bomb

If you read the whole idea, share your feedback below and let me know what you think.

[Maf 32,324]

Valid

 

Dictator is already quite a powerful hull, if used wisely. I'm afraid this will be too much.

 

By the way, the thing with Isida's beam stretching beyond range is an issue cause by lag and it's impossible to simply disable it. In reality the Isida is well within its range when it's attacking you.

[Aigaion 636]

maybe immunity only from heat/freeze and for like half the time, that doesn't sound too bad.

[r_Given6 859]

Valid

 

Dictator is already quite a powerful hull, if used wisely. I'm afraid this will be too much.

 

By the way, the thing with Isida's beam stretching beyond range is an issue cause by lag and it's impossible to simply disable it. In reality the Isida is well within its range when it's attacking you.

A Mammoth Isida with Double Damage can kill a Dictator with speed boost running away because the stream of nanobots stretch too much. Even with Isida being in its range, the range itself is too big. It's really difficult to escape from an Isida onslaught because that stream doesn't seem to break.

 

I know Dictator is considered powerful, but its OD isn't as effective as that of other hulls.

And 10 seconds is, of course, subject to change.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

This is too much actually.

 

A more balanced personal buff would be to double the speed and vertical auto aim for about a minute and a half.

[Aigaion 636]

This is too much actually.

 

A more balanced personal buff would be to double the speed and vertical auto aim for about a minute and a half.

Ludicrous Speed

[r_Given6 859]

No impact force is a very little buff, only the no-afterburn and no-freeze are kind of big but I don't see why can't a Dictator have them for about 5 or more seconds. Think about it: A Dictator activates its OD. Now it can easily be frozen and killed by a Hunter or bombed by a Wasp or crushed by a Mammoth or killed by a Hornet with OD, etc., etc. This means that it doesn't stand a chance against any offensive OD.

 

I got this idea when I saw a Dictator-Thunder activate its OD and then immediately get frozen by a Freeze and killed.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Ludicrous Speed

For about a minute and a half. Yes.

[r_Given6 859]

Ludicrous Speed

That would be copying Mammoth.

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

Did I understand this correctly?:

During OD your tank will get full damage-just not the effects of close-rangers or the impact force of far/mid-rangers.

But it has regular damage-right?

(otherwise it would be way too powerful!)

[r_Given6 859]

Did I understand this correctly?:

During OD your tank will get full damage-just not the effects of close-rangers or the impact force of far/mid-rangers.

But it has regular damage-right?

(otherwise it would be way too powerful!)

Yup, spot on. Just special immunity, no reduction in damage (except that of afterburn).

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

Yup, spot on. Just special immunity, no reduction in damage (except that of afterburn).

Besides for the isida's effect (shortening of stream of nanobots) I DIG this idea! It makes a lot of sense!

[r_Given6 859]

Besides for the isida's effect (shortening of stream of nanobots) I DIG this idea! It makes a lot of sense!

Actually, you're right. I wasn't going to add immunity from Vulcan's impact force (there isn't any) and Isida but thought it would be biased towards other turrets. And Vulcan has an incendiary alteration too that the OD can protect from, and that would leave out Isida at large.

But what duration should we agree on? 10 seconds would be too OP.

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

Actually, you're right. 

But what duration should we agree on? 10 seconds would be too OP.

Why can't it be longer if its not really doing much-it just removes effects.

45 sec. would be good-just with a slower loading rate.

[r_Given6 859]

Why can't it be longer if its not really doing much-it just removes effects.

45 sec. would be good-just with a slower loading rate.

I don't think so. Would ruin Freeze, Firebird and Hunter's OD.

[ZloyDanuJI 409]

Sure the Dictator can put its favourite commander (most probably Titan) to action, but it deserves a personal bonus as well. What kind of dictator gives others a bonus it doesn't receive?

when hitler gave galland the swallow did he use it himself? 

 

the tradtional role of a dictator is to control everyone else and make them fight for him. he is the one who gives commands and not the one who does the fighting. 

 

His power comes from how he selectively gives certain other people power so they can help him back in return and help him control the rest. 

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

 

I don't think so-would ruin freeze, Firebird and Hunters OD

But it is not getting less damage!

Nothing happens when it ODs it deals and gets regular damage!

This no effects would have to be for at least 45 sec.

 

Also it would need a slower loading time.

[wolverine848 13,097]

A Mammoth Isida with Double Damage can kill a Dictator with speed boost running away because the stream of nanobots stretch too much. Even with Isida being in its range, the range itself is too big. It's really difficult to escape from an Isida onslaught because that stream doesn't seem to break.

 

I know Dictator is considered powerful, but its OD isn't as effective as that of other hulls.

And 10 seconds is, of course, subject to change.

No they don't.  You are missing the point about lag.

[r_Given6 859]

But it is not getting less damage!

Nothing happens when it ODs it deals and gets regular damage!

This no effects would have to be for at least 45 sec.

 

Also it would need a slower loading time.

But Firebird's damage would be seriously reduced if the Dictator doesn't receive afterburn for 45 seconds!

And what about Hunter's OD? It wouldn't be able to stop a Dictator for 45 seconds! That would make it so weak!

I think that the hull should get about 30 seconds of special immunity, distributed into 3 durations of 10 seconds each or 2 durations of 15 seconds each.

 

So, the Overdrive recharge would be kinda quick to give you 2 or 3 ODs in one battle.

 

No they don't. You are missing the point about lag.

I know about the lag and I understand what you mean there. But even when Isida is in its rightful range, the stream of nanobots can:

 

1. Stretch beyond the range had it not been attacking. While using Isida I can't attack an enemy out of my range. But if it comes inside my range and I attack it, I would still be damaging it if it goes a little bit farther.

 

2. Stretch a bit in a direction away from where the turret is actually facing, towards the enemy.

[wolverine848 13,097]

As you probably have realised by now, the OD buff Dictator got makes it incompetent as compared to other hull's OD. Sure the Dictator can put its favourite commander (most probably Titan) to action, but it deserves a personal bonus as well. What kind of dictator gives others a bonus it doesn't receive?

So here's my idea of giving Dictator a personal bonus from its OD like no other hull:

 

 

It grants special immunity only to the user for 10 seconds which includes:

 

• No Afterburn

  Affects:

  Firebird

  Incendiary alterations

• No Freezing Effect

  Affects:

  Freeze

  Freezing alterations

  Hunter's OD (Hunter's OD disables Dictator's special immunity but does not shock it)

• Restrictions on nanobots

  Affects:

  Isida (If an enemy isida is attacking you and you move away, the stream of nanobots won't stretch beyond a limit)

• No Impact Force

  Affects:

  Twins

  Ricochet

  Hammer

  Vulcan

  Smoky

  Thunder

  Striker

  Railgun

  Shaft

  Magnum

  Wasp's bomb

If you read the whole idea, share your feedback below and let me know what you think.

 

 

No Afterburn, No freezing - punish these short-range turrets way more than other turrets.  There is a strong bias here.

 

Nano-bots - has been discussed above - the issue is lag.

 

If something should be added it should be the charge-rate.  Giving team-members 50% and dictator nothing is kind of dumb.

Dictator already helps them out with supply boosts.

What should happen is all team-member (within range) get a 25% charge-rate boost.

[CabbageRoll 3,018]

It should get extra 10% of overdrive for every tank nearby (with 40% cap), it will encourage teamwork

[r_Given6 859]

No Afterburn, No freezing - punish these short-range turrets way more than other turrets. There is a strong bias here.

 

Nano-bots - has been discussed above - the issue is lag.

 

I don't understand why around 5 seconds of anti freeze and no afterburn are punishing. Would you like it if you activate your Dictator's OD and immediately get frozen and killed, or something like that? No. It is just a measure to make sure Dictator at least get its share of active supplies from its OD. A Dictator does not put his commanders to action and leave himself unguarded to be shot in the face.

 

As for the nanobots, as discussed above, it does not relate to lag.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I don't understand why around 5 seconds of anti freeze and no afterburn are punishing. Would you like it if you activate your Dictator's OD and immediately get frozen and killed, or something like that? No. It is just a measure to make sure Dictator at least get its share of active supplies from its OD. A Dictator does not put his commanders to action and leave himself unguarded to be shot in the face.

 

As for the nanobots, as discussed above, it does not relate to lag.

You can say the same thing for Viking (or other hulls) - activates OD and someone else kills it shortly after.  Tough luck.

Titan and Mammoth prob survive but other hulls can easily be kills just as they activate.  I have Hunter and there is a 1-second delay before it's OD goes off.  Have died during that time.  Should I get an immunity?

 

You ignored the fact your suggestions affects some turrets more than others = no balance.

 

And 5 seconds?  Can be a lifetime...  A tank can easily die in 5 seconds.  So not being able to freeze or afterburn a tank during that time means they may not be able to do it at all.

 

And you are still wrong about nano-bots.  There is a fixed range, and anything you think is beyond that is lag.  The Isida is following you but your computer does not realize this and thus "stretches" the image.

[r_Given6 859]

You can say the same thing for Viking (or other hulls) - activates OD and someone else kills it shortly after. Tough luck.

Titan and Mammoth prob survive but other hulls can easily be kills just as they activate. I have Hunter and there is a 1-second delay before it's OD goes off. Have died during that time. Should I get an immunity?

 

You ignored the fact your suggestions affects some turrets more than others = no balance.

 

And 5 seconds? Can be a lifetime... A tank can easily die in 5 seconds. So not being able to freeze or afterburn a tank during that time means they may not be able to do it at all.

 

And you are still wrong about nano-bots. There is a fixed range, and anything you think is beyond that is lag. The Isida is following you but your computer does not realize this and thus "stretches" the image.

 

I know about the lag and I understand what you mean there. But even when Isida is in its rightful range, the stream of nanobots can:

1. Stretch beyond the range had it not been attacking. While using Isida I can't attack an enemy out of my range. But if it comes inside my range and I attack it, I would still be damaging it if it goes a little bit farther.

2. Stretch a bit in a direction away from where the turret is actually facing, towards the enemy.

 

I don't think so. Would ruin Freeze, Firebird and Hunter's OD.

As I said before, I know that the special immunity would affect the turrets, but the damage would still be there. With battles nowadays being so OD centred, the bias is much towards Dictator than it would be towards those turrets. Dictator with OD is just a normal hull without any special offensive or defensive mechanism.

 

If you read the whole idea, share your feedback below and let me know what you think.

Please read the previous comments, too.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

As I said before, I know that the special immunity would affect the turrets, but the damage would still be there. With battles nowadays being so OD centred, the bias is much towards Dictator than it would be towards those turrets. Dictator with OD is just a normal hull without any special offensive or defensive mechanism.

 

Please read the previous comments, too.

I've read all the comments.

 

A large portion of Freeze's abilities are derived from it being able to slow down targets.  negating that (even briefly) is equivalent to nerfing it's damage.

The afterburn is a built-in damage effect for Fire.  Without that, Fire would do more damage by default.  So negating that (even briefly) is equivalent to nerfing it's damage.

 

Dictator is not a "normal" hull without special Off or Def mechanism.  It essentially gets double-length supplies.  Having ability to use 2 RKs back-to back is more valuable than you give credit for.

 

And you seem to discount the effect of doing this for ALL team-mates.  Devs have decided to make Dictator a "team-player" hull.  If that's not something you appreciate, then maybe Dictator is not the hull for you.