Ideas Section Discussion

[alkyng 3,080]

I demand for a new rule before creating an idea... If you wrote your idea in a wall-text without a brief TL:DR with your idea in statistics, your idea is declined.

Written in a rule "Ideas regarding a thing in the game without TL:DR are declined

Topic Closed"

[Spy 14,687]

37 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

I demand for a new rule before creating an idea... If you wrote your idea in a wall-text without a brief TL:DR with your idea in statistics, your idea is declined.

Written in a rule "Ideas regarding a thing in the game without TL:DR are declined

Topic Closed"

That's not going to happen, some players spend a lot of time to write detailed ideas and we are not going to decline them for being too long.

[Maf 32,300]

1 hour ago, asem.harbi said:

I demand for a new rule before creating an idea... If you wrote your idea in a wall-text without a brief TL:DR with your idea in statistics, your idea is declined.

Written in a rule "Ideas regarding a thing in the game without TL:DR are declined

Topic Closed"

But reading topics is the job of forum mods, not players. We don't mind reading long topics, so I don't see the point in this rule.

Although it is generally best to avoid walls of text and instead describe the idea in 2-3 sentences.

[alkyng 3,080]

1 hour ago, Maf said:

But reading topics is the job of forum mods, not players. We don't mind reading long topics, so I don't see the point in this rule.

Although it is generally best to avoid walls of text and instead describe the idea in 2-3 sentences.

I also don't mind to read the long topics.. But after I finish my reading I feel am lost, I don't know what exactly the TS wants. And some of them go too far in story-telling without any single obvious thing. So I think TL:DR in the end of the topic with the pure statistics numbers that the player want to change in the game is a really helpful thing. You and Spy maybe understood that I want to not read the topic and just directly jump in TL:DR part, but no.

For sure Declining and Closing the topic I wasn't serious about that, but I wanted to stress about this point how many topics we see in the section in a long text without making you know what exactly he want. Or for any hope if one of them read my post and may think twice about that

Edited April 3, 2021 by asem.harbi

[Maf 32,300]

4 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

For sure Declining and Closing the topic I wasn't serious about that, but I wanted to stress about this point how many topics we see in the section in a long text without making you know what exactly he want.

Yeah I agree. The best thing to do is to reply and blatantly state that the text is too long and makes it difficult to understand the whole idea.

[alkyng 3,080]

The blue color lost its sense from the forum, we can't use it, it's unreadable. There are many moderators whose their names are in blue, it's a blind to our eyes when we try to read.

The old posts who have some colors especially the very old ones where the player were loves the coloring, are hard to read now.

I think the forum should return to dark, or to be white. 

[Maf 32,300]

3 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

The blue color lost its sense from the forum, we can't use it, it's unreadable. There are many moderators whose their names are in blue, it's a blind to our eyes when we try to read.

The old posts who have some colors especially the very old ones where the player were loves the coloring, are hard to read now.

I think the forum should return to dark, or to be white. 

Have you tried changing the theme manually to the dark one? The button to change it (labelled "Theme") is in the bottom-right of the page. Select the tankiforum-new-dark option and see if that's better.

[alkyng 3,080]

51 minutes ago, Maf said:

Have you tried changing the theme manually to the dark one? The button to change it (labelled "Theme") is in the bottom-right of the page. Select the tankiforum-new-dark option and see if that's better.

I have tested it and it's not good.  I talk about the Default, because most of the players are using it, so when I choose a blue color in my posts I know how players are seeing it, not living alone and players suffer in reading my posts while I don't know.

[Crossbone 516]

So @Maf, since status effects are now a key feature of the game, will there be a topic for it in the I&S section. I have made some ideas for new ones, should they come.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

A lot of times, the moderator who approves the idea, only put the status as a reply, and nothing else, and if the idea has the "merge" status, sometime they won't even reply. 

So, my idea is that the moderators should always write reply, no matter what status the idea has, and it should include either a personal opinion, or general facts that could be seen somewhere previously (like here). 

I know you, mods are busy with background work too, but we, who suggest ideas also spend some time on it (and don't even get rewards for it  ), and it would be good to have at least a reply in exchange. I've been recently commenting on all ideas (or if not, then I reacted to a post that inlcude the info i could say, or just reacted to the idea becuase i like it), and it's not that hard, and doesn't take up a lot of time.

Also, in case of "merged", at least you could get notified when it becomes that.

[Maf 32,300]

1 hour ago, mjmj5558 said:

 

Topic merged

 

Nice gif 

The reason we don't always reply is because we don't always have an opinion regarding a certain idea. It's pointless to write something extremely generic just for the sake of adding a note. Things like "I guess it could work" or "somewhat interesting idea", etc. are completely pointless. Declined and invalid ideas always get an explanation stating why they got the status.

Meanwhile, the reason we always reply with a status message on Under Review and Valid ideas is so that anyone opening the topic can instantly see the idea status updates (and any potential future comments that we may add) right there in the first reply. It's pretty much a post reservation.  

For ideas getting the "merge" tags we don't need to make a post like that since the topic will get merged elsewhere anyway, and our reply would need to be removed or edited.

1 hour ago, mjmj5558 said:

I've been recently commenting on all ideas

This is greatly appreciated. I love to see when frequent users actively encourage discussion in topics by leaving constrictive replies.
have you considered joining forum mods to get paid for it? 

[mjmj5558 2,346]

5 minutes ago, Maf said:

The reason we don't always reply is because we don't always have an opinion regarding a certain idea. It's pointless to write something extremely generic just for the sake of adding a note. Things like "I guess it could work" or "somewhat interesting idea", etc. are completely pointless. Declined and invalid ideas always get an explanation stating why they got the status.

Understandable, but in most of the cases, replies like "Probably it won't/will be made, because devs mentioned in the...that they are thinking about it, so the status is...". We don't need text walls (that's the task of reporters ), but a short reply, as you said if possible, would be nice. (just saw that Spy did reply in the recent ideas, and that's nice)

10 minutes ago, Maf said:

Meanwhile, the reason we always reply with a status message on Under Review and Valid ideas is so that anyone opening the topic can instantly see the idea status updates

 

11 minutes ago, Maf said:

For ideas getting the "merge" tags we don't need to make a post like that since the topic will get merged elsewhere anyway, and our reply would need to be removed or edited.

That's exatly why merged ideas need a reply. Few months ago, i suggested some ideas, both were hidden for some days, and were already placed at the 3rd page when they became merged, and it wasn't comfortable to check it every time if they got a new status or not (when they were still hidden). Also, no one will check such topics mentioned above, because if you don't even know that there's a new idea in the 3rd page, you won't go there, and then it will be merged and forgetten in a category topic. Even "merged." reply is better than nothing.

14 minutes ago, Maf said:

This is greatly appreciated. I love to see when frequent users actively encourage discussion in topics by leaving constrictive replies.

 

15 minutes ago, Maf said:

Nice gif 

Thanks!

[Crossbone 516]

So @Maf, about my question.

On 6/17/2021 at 6:21 PM, Crossbone said:

So @Maf, since status effects are now a key feature of the game, will there be a topic for it in the I&S section. I have made some ideas for new ones, should they come.

 

[Spy 14,687]

2 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

 

Spoiler

 

I love the gif! 

As for your suggestion, I do not leave a message (besides the status of the idea) unless I have something important to say. 

[Maf 32,300]

1 hour ago, mjmj5558 said:

Few months ago, i suggested some ideas, both were hidden for some days, and were already placed at the 3rd page

This is indeed a problem, and we aim to solve it by approving such topics as fast as possible.

1 hour ago, Crossbone said:

So @Maf, about my question.

I don't think there will be so many status effects that we need a whole category topic for players' ideas for them. Besides, Opex already said before that he has a whole list of something like 20 potential new status effects that he could implement, if needed. New ideas are unnecessary.

[Crossbone 516]

2 minutes ago, Maf said:

I don't think there will be so many status effects that we need a whole category topic for players' ideas for them. Besides, Opex already said before that he has a whole list of something like 20 potential new status effects that he could implement, if needed. New ideas are unnecessary.

20? Damn I could only think of 4 new ones.

Is he willing to give us the scoop of all 20 of these new potential status effect ideas, maybe?

[Maf 32,300]

22 minutes ago, Crossbone said:

20? Damn I could only think of 4 new ones.

Is he willing to give us the scoop of all 20 of these new potential status effect ideas, maybe?

No, in fact he'd prefer not to add them at all unless necessary, as it's just a cheap and simple way to introduce more content (and more things for people to spend money on) without really improving gameplay all that much.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

On 6/18/2021 at 3:21 AM, Crossbone said:

So  since status effects are now a key feature of the game, will there be a topic for it in the I&S section. I have made some ideas for new ones, should they come.

I didn't see a lot of suggestions related to status effects, nor i don't think that devs are planning to add a lot more if it isn't needed, so i don't think we need a category topic for it.

Edited June 26, 2021 by mjmj5558

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 hour ago, Maf said:

This is indeed a problem, and we aim to solve it by approving such topics as fast as possible.

I don't think there will be so many status effects that we need a whole category topic for players' ideas for them. Besides, Opex already said before that he has a whole list of something like 20 potential new status effects that he could implement, if needed. New ideas are unnecessary.

Why did you say everything i said but "hide" your reply on a new page ?

 

[Guler 10]

i have a suggestion

in the upcoming arm race allow us to play with terminator also

like with tesla ig you have to do 15 kills or smthng

so reduce it and maybe add terminator

[PEW_PEW_YO_MOMMA 93]

Suggestion: Vulcan Rubberized rounds will deal additional damage for each bounce. Example: 1% on 1st bounce max of 5% on 5th bounce

[Crossbone 516]

@Maf, I think the "1 idea = 1 topic" rule is too strict. It needs to include some exceptions. Like if the ideas are relevant to the topic.

I'm afraid that if I post each idea in a separate topic, then I'd be banned for flooding or spamming. And I bet many other people are afraid of that too.

 

Besides, as a forum member who posts/posted here often, I want to keep this section as clean as possible, don't you?

[Maf 32,300]

3 minutes ago, Crossbone said:

I'm afraid that if I post each idea in a separate topic, then I'd be banned for flooding or spamming.

We never ban for spamming idea topics, unless it's some completely absurd amount that clearly has malicious intent of making our work more difficult.

The better question is — do you really  need to post those ideas at all? Or perhaps you can post them in existing topics?
Also, if the multiple ideas really do fit into one theme (such as improving the friends system), then you can post them in one topic.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

4 hours ago, Maf said:

We never ban for spamming idea topics, unless it's some completely absurd amount that clearly has malicious intent of making our work more difficult.

The better question is — do you really  need to post those ideas at all? Or perhaps you can post them in existing topics?
Also, if the multiple ideas really do fit into one theme (such as improving the friends system), then you can post them in one topic.

What if you have more than one OD idea? Wouldn't that warrant the need to post it all in one topic? And it doesn't have to be just ODs, it can be about other things to like turrets, hulls, improvements on a certain version of the game, or even friends system like you mentioned.

Wouldn't it be better and easier to review multiple ideas in one topic than to review multiple topics?

Edited August 4, 2021 by PirateSpider

[Maf 32,300]

6 hours ago, PirateSpider said:

Wouldn't it be better and easier to review multiple ideas in one topic than to review multiple topics?

No, it's not better, because we assign statuses and category tags to each idea separately. We can't have a topic that's both Valid and Declined, so if you include a bunch of different ideas in one topic, we won't be able to assign them different statuses. Also, having multiple ideas makes it impossible to have a concise and descriptive title for the topic, which makes it harder to search for later on. A title like "Some ideas to improve the game" is pretty much useless compared to something like "Increase charging speed and reduce duration of Hornet's Overdrive"