Which one came first: Egg or Chicken?

[Merovingian 656]

For me this is quite obvious, the egg.

No chicken without an egg.

What is your take on this?

[girl_from_kurdistanX 383]

egg.

[AncientFire 1,894]

For me this is quite obvious, the egg.

No chicken without an egg.

What is your take on this?

K, so where did the first ever egg come from? A chicken... but where did the chicken come from?

it's obvious that this dumb argument will have no ending

 

I'd say chicken

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I say that they came at the exact same time. :ph34r:

[u812ic 1,629]

This same argument can be applied to all other bird species, reptiles and monotremes. 

 

Which came first, the Cardinal or the egg?

 

Which came first, the Alligator or the egg?

 

Which came first, the Duckbill Platypus or the egg?

 

A pointless argument that can lead to religious beliefs or the lack, thereof. 

[r_Given6 859]

Even Dinosaurs laid eggs, so eggs came first. :p

 

As for a Chicken's Egg, the egg that the first primitive chicken came from cannot rightfully be called a Chicken's egg. It actually came from cross breeding, with both parents being far different from chicken.

For example, if two different species mated to form the first chicken, with the female parent being a small Dinosaur (just for saying), then that egg is a Dinosaur's egg, no matter whether a Chicken came out of it or not.

Plus, only Chicken are known to form that special protein lining inside their eggs.

[u812ic 1,629]

Even Dinosaurs laid eggs, so eggs came first. :P

 

As for a Chicken's Egg, the egg that the first primitive chicken came from cannot rightfully be called a Chicken's egg. It actually came from cross breeding, with both parents being far different from chicken.

For example, if two different species mated to form the first chicken, with the female parent being a small Dinosaur (just for saying), then that egg is a Dinosaur's egg, no matter whether a Chicken came out of it or not.

Plus, only Chicken are known to form that special protein lining inside their eggs.

If a chicken came out of that dinosaur egg, that was one heck of a big chicken. BTW, chickens came from fowls, not lizards. 

Edited July 2, 2019 by u812ic

[Merovingian 656]

Chickens are winning 5 vs 3, this is so wrong.

[r_Given6 859]

If a chicken came out of that dinosaur egg, that was one heck of a big chicken. BTW, chickens came from fowls, not lizards.

 

  

For example, if two different species mated to form the first chicken, with the female parent being a small Dinosaur (just for saying), then that egg is a Dinosaur's egg, no matter whether a Chicken came out of it or not.

[u812ic 1,629]

  

Supposing your dog gave birth to a cat (just saying).

 

Supposing a cow gave birth to a horse (just saying)

 

Supposing your chicken gave birth to a dinosaur (just saying). 

 

Yep, I'm with you. Makes a lot of sense and the analogy couldn't be better. 

[r_Given6 859]

Supposing your dog gave birth to a cat (just saying).

 

Supposing a cow gave birth to a horse (just saying)

 

Supposing your chicken gave birth to a dinosaur (just saying).

 

Yep, I'm with you. Makes a lot of sense and the analogy couldn't be better.

Lol, trying to act a fool? Poor try.

I wanted to designate the parent, so I called it a Dinosaur. I can call it 'x' if it troubles you so much.

[personia3 12]

From an evolutionary standpoint, egg is obviously the answer. Even fish have eggs, and fish existed long before the were any land animals.

[u812ic 1,629]

Look at this logically.

 

A chicken egg has to incubate at around 100*F (give or take a few 10ths of a degree) with 50% to 55% humidity. Without these factors, the egg won't hatch. No chickens.

 

Next. An egg has to be fertilized in order for the embryo to develop. For that, you need a rooster. (Which came first, the hen or the rooster?). Without a rooster, you can have eggs, but the species won't propagate. So, after the egg laying hen dies there will be no more chickens. 

 

So, the logical answer to your question is: The chicken came first. 

 

Case Closed. 

Edited July 5, 2019 by u812ic

[Merovingian 656]

An egg is younger, while a chicken is older. The egg came first.

[u812ic 1,629]

An egg is younger, while a chicken is older. The egg came first.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=381317&do=findComment&comment=6720597

 

See my fact sheet. How can you argue with logic?

[girl_from_kurdistanX 383]

how can u send a link like this ? can u tell me? i mean when i click on it it doesnt go to top and it goes to direct address u want.

[Benefactor 6,888]

I remember this question in my childhood. There was a song about it on Sesame Street.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixgf5SlvOB4

 

 

[u812ic 1,629]

how can u send a link like this ? can u tell me? i mean when i click on it it doesnt go to top and it goes to direct address u want.

Open the reply box. Right click the green number next to your nickname on the far right. That brings down a menu. Left click on "copy link address". In the reply box, right click and left click on paste. It'll first show in this font color with a longer address. When you click post, it shows up as a link. 

[Michael828 817]

Use google, it's that simple. There's scientific evidence that the egg came first.

 

The first amniote egg—that is, a hard-shelled egg that could be laid on land, rather than remaining in water like the eggs of fish or amphibians—appeared around 312 million years ago. In contrast, chickens are domesticated descendants of red junglefowl and probably arose little more than eight thousand years ago, at most.

 

If the question refers to chicken eggs specifically, the answer is still the egg, but the explanation is more complicated. The process by which the chicken arose through the interbreeding and domestication of multiple species of wild jungle fowl is poorly understood, and the point at which this evolving organism became a chicken is a somewhat arbitrary distinction. Whatever criteria one chooses, an animal nearly identical to the modern chicken (i.e., a proto-chicken) laid a fertilized egg that had DNA identical to the modern chicken (due to mutations in the mother's ovum, the father's sperm, or the fertilised zygote).

 

Put more simply by Neil deGrasse Tyson: "Which came first: the chicken or the egg? The egg—laid by a bird that was not a chicken."

 

This is all quoted from wikipedia.

[u812ic 1,629]

 

Use google, it's that simple. There's scientific evidence that the egg came first.

 

The first amniote egg—that is, a hard-shelled egg that could be laid on land, rather than remaining in water like the eggs of fish or amphibians—appeared around 312 million years ago. In contrast, chickens are domesticated descendants of red junglefowl and probably arose little more than eight thousand years ago, at most.

 

If the question refers to chicken eggs specifically, the answer is still the egg, but the explanation is more complicated. The process by which the chicken arose through the interbreeding and domestication of multiple species of wild jungle fowl is poorly understood, and the point at which this evolving organism became a chicken is a somewhat arbitrary distinction. Whatever criteria one chooses, an animal nearly identical to the modern chicken (i.e., a proto-chicken) laid a fertilized egg that had DNA identical to the modern chicken (due to mutations in the mother's ovum, the father's sperm, or the fertilised zygote).

 

Put more simply by Neil deGrasse Tyson: "Which came first: the chicken or the egg? The egg—laid by a bird that was not a chicken."

 

This is all quoted from wikipedia.

 

I read the same article. What it doesn't say is at which point did Man interfered by using selective breeding to produce the modern day chicken.

 

But going along with your argument, If the Red Junglefowl hadn't laid the first egg, would we still have a chicken?

 

Let's take lizards. They are the direct descendant of the dinosaur and, to my knowledge, there hasn't been any selective breeding by Man. You have to admit, today's lizard doesn't resemble a dinosaur, yet they evolved. The dinosaur laid eggs and so do lizards. So, using your own logic, which came first, the lizard or the egg? Remember, without an egg there wouldn't be any lizards.

Edited July 11, 2019 by u812ic

[r_Given6 859]

Which came first: the chicken or the egg? The egg—laid by a bird that was not a chicken.

Eggsactly!

 

I wouldn't call that a Chicken's egg, though.

[Michael828 817]

I read the same article. What it doesn't say is at which point did Man interfered by using selective breeding to produce the modern day chicken.

 

But going along with your argument, If the Red Junglefowl hadn't laid the first egg, would we still have a chicken?

 

Let's take lizards. They are the direct descendant of the dinosaur and, to my knowledge, there hasn't been any selective breeding by Man. You have to admit, today's lizard doesn't resemble a dinosaur, yet they evolved. The dinosaur laid eggs and so do lizards. So, using your own logic, which came first, the lizard or the egg? Remember, without an egg there wouldn't be any lizards.

No, we wouldn't. The Red Junglefowl is what gave us the first chicken egg, which hatched into the first chicken, and then the cycle went on. This should solve this dilemma in its literal interpretation, whether you'd call that first egg a chicken egg or a Red Junglefowl egg is a different topic, but it doesn't change the fact that without those birds, you'd have no modern chickens, who ultimately emerged from that one egg.

 

About when man started breeding modern chickens, the article mentions chickens first appearing around eight thousand years ago, so I am inclined to believe people started breeding them slightly before that time.

 

Modern lizards are not descendants of dinosaurs, birds are thought to be the only living descendant of dinosaurs. Anyway, the answer to whether the lizard or the egg came first requires you to go back to the time the first lizard egg was laid, so here's some more information from a different article:

 

"Amniotes are descendants of the first reptiles that moved onto land. The first amniotes, which resembled small lizards, evolved 340 million years ago, during the Carboniferous Period. Amniote eggs can survive out of the water. This development allowed reptiles to move further inland and away from the bodies of water where amphibians have to lay their eggs."

 

During that period (Carboniferous Period), there was the Hylonomus lyelli, the earliest known reptile and the first animal to have fully adapted to life on land. How this creature came into being and started the whole process of evolution for land animals is beyond the scope of my knowledge and my patience for further research, so I admit I don't know the answer to that.

[Person_Random 4,991]

God created the world, so I'm gonna go with chicken.

[Viking4s 10,791]

God created the world, so I'm gonna go with chicken.

You also think that the earth is flat, ...  :D

Edited July 18, 2019 by Viking4s

[Person_Random 4,991]

You also think that the earth is flat, ...  :D

I most certainly did not say that.  Unless someone sabotaged my keyboard and typed it in invisible font.