IMPORTANT! Why won't you move Tanki X accounts to TO?

[DeathIsImminent 153]

People put money towards Tanki X. So, it would be incredibly easy and fair to simply do this:

 

* All TX crystals on the account are now the crystals you will have on TO with a 1:1 ratio.

* All X crystals would be converted to tankoins with a 1:1 ratio even.

* Any unopened containers would be supplemented with regular containers, except the XT type, which would provide you with XT containers within TO, all 1:1 ratio.

* The level of each rank would be 1:1 ratio in terms of XP or 3:1 ratio for ranks acquired, so every 3 ranks of TX would be 1 rank on TO, all the way to rank 93, where you would then be Legend rank here, and if you went further, Legend 2, and so forth.

* Weapon power would be attributed from M0 to M1 for each weapon and hull through micropgrades via the ratio 1:2, so each level would be 2 M0 microupgrades for something.

* Modules types would be attributed in terms of specific Protection modules, Drones and Alterations. What would be attributed would most depend on what closest tot the module was functioning like in TX. The upgrades of these would also be attributed on specific ratio basis.

 

 

 

All of this being saved since the boot of the game. You are taking the money and deleting everything when you can just move the accounts over to TO. Them just closing it down without any help means that you get NOTHING. You can get something, but the conditions for this are very specific and if you are someone who played the game a lot and have legend rank there, even paid in for the game, you get nothing extra, or you get nothing if you didn't play after June this year! You are not getting your account back regardless which is bull!

 

This is why I hate companies who run games like these; the servers are down, the data is deleted and you can never play or recover your progress in any shape or form. Tell me why anyone should be playing this game as well. Sure it is secure, for now. But people, you have wasted thousands of hours into this by this point, may be thousands of dollars too, and this game too could go any time.

 

Is none else furious about the accounts simply being deleted instead of being moved to this game? Surely there are plenty people angry about TX being closed and about losing their accounts permanently, no?!

[Ninja 10,468]

They are totally separate games, the better question is why should you? It would totally destroy any economy.

 

1 Crystal in TX does not have the same value as 1 crystal in TO, why should they be 'converted'.

 

Games come and go, one day this game will go offline and you wont be able to do anything about it, you should be fully aware of that when spending time or money.

[DeathIsImminent 153]

They are totally separate games, the better question is why should you? It would totally destroy any economy.

 

1 Crystal in TX does not have the same value as 1 crystal in TO, why should they be 'converted'.

I am thoroughly convinced staff members here tend to act stupid so that payers who actually are stupid fall for your ploys. Stop spewing trash.

 

Any currency can be converted in value. Both the TX and TO crystals had monetary equivalent values, their use values etc. You may not get the exact metric, but you can get close and fair to allow players to continue playing in TO without having to start from scratch if they just played TX for a long time and spend scrupulous amounts of money on that game. Both of these games have a HUGE amount of overlap that, AS I DEMONSTRATED would be fairly convertible.

 

The fact is, you CAN keep these players in the game and it won't break your goddamn economy. I even exclaimed a decently balanced way to do so. The separation of paints and upgrades as well as synchronisation of microupgrades made huge changes to many players, often giving them an advantage. They even allowed players to skip upgrades provided the rank. All incredibly great boosts. Did this break the economy? Absolutely not.

 

If you have nothing but this dumb rhetoric to spew of "it can't be converted, it is all fair" then why reply to this topic at all. You are not even addressing my points, which is a nice sleazy thing people like you love to do.

 

 

Games come and go, one day this game will go offline and you wont be able to do anything about it, you should be fully aware of that when spending time or money.

I know. People should know this. But many do not. And it is brushed under the rug. The fact remains that these accounts could be moved to TO but Alternativa Games decided to take the money and yeet the game's data entirely.

Edited September 23, 2019 by DeathIsImminent

[Maf 32,306]

I am thoroughly convinced staff members here tend to act stupid so that payers who actually are stupid fall for your ploys. Stop spewing trash.

 

Please be respectful towards other forum users if you want to have a proper discussion. Ninja may not be 100% correct, but he certainly has a valid point.

 

If migrating TX accounts into TO was an economically viable option, I'm certain that developers would have gone for it. After all, why would they, as a business, miss an opportunity to keep a few hundred players in the game if it meant that they can get more revenue out of those players? Seeing that they decided not to migrate accounts, the option was most likely not suitable and would do more harm than good. After all, setting up a system to migrate accounts would require additional time and effort from the staff, while the number of active Tanki X accounts is probably so small that such a system would not be worth creating.

 

Let's not forget that active TX players did get a very generous promocode for Tanki Online, which they could use to give themselves a hefty boost at lower ranks in order to actually enjoy Tanki Online without struggling to compete and to get through the initial ranks faster. I suppose that the criteria needed to obtain it was indeed a bit harsh, but it is a reward for active players, and not playing a game for over two months usually means that you abandoned it. I do agree that the unspent X crystals should be converted into tankoins, but the rank and the rest of the garage should not.

[Maf 32,306]

Tell me why anyone should be playing this game as well. Sure it is secure, for now. But people, you have wasted thousands of hours into this by this point, may be thousands of dollars too, and this game too could go any time.

What's the purpose of playing games? Is it only to mindlessly grind up to the highest rank and obtain every single item, and then grind some more when new content get added? If that's the case, then I'd be concerned about how that kind of person spends their life. I play games because I enjoy them. Once I stop enjoying a game - I stop playing it. And I'm fine knowing that one day my account and all of its virtual items and "achievements" will get deleted, because I still had fun playing the game and will leave with years of exciting memories.

[Ninja 10,468]

Although admittedly slightly harsh I still don't see why anything should be carried over at all. TX was always intended as a separate game and devs explicitly said so, nothing was carried over when the game started.

 

Perhaps transferring X-Crystals to Tankoins would make the most sense but again, I don't think it should happen.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

That would be a lot of work just to gain a few extra players. Better if the players start a new account, find their existing one, or look for a new game to play entirely.

[DeathIsImminent 153]

Please be respectful towards other forum users if you want to have a proper discussion. Ninja may not be 100% correct, but he certainly has a valid point.

 

If migrating TX accounts into TO was an economically viable option, I'm certain that developers would have gone for it. After all, why would they, as a business, miss an opportunity to keep a few hundred players in the game if it meant that they can get more revenue out of those players? Seeing that they decided not to migrate accounts, the option was most likely not suitable and would do more harm than good. After all, setting up a system to migrate accounts would require additional time and effort from the staff, while the number of active Tanki X accounts is probably so small that such a system would not be worth creating.

 

Let's not forget that active TX players did get a very generous promocode for Tanki Online, which they could use to give themselves a hefty boost at lower ranks in order to actually enjoy Tanki Online without struggling to compete and to get through the initial ranks faster. I suppose that the criteria needed to obtain it was indeed a bit harsh, but it is a reward for active players, and not playing a game for over two months usually means that you abandoned it. I do agree that the unspent X crystals should be converted into tankoins, but the rank and the rest of the garage should not.

I have zero respect for staffs members here, and I am sure you have a good idea as to why.

 

Economically, it makes sense, but that does not justify anything, especially if the company is stable. I am not talking about the moving of accounts being economically beneficial. They already earnt a fair share of cash from running TX. Plenty of people spent money on it, there is no doubt about that. And now they are going to lose all of the progress even when clearly there is the option to keep their account on TO if AG so chose to do so, but they did not. Just took the money and ran.

 

The promo code is not enough, it is not generous in the slightest! For anyone who barely played the game, sure. But anyone who played for extended hours and paid to earn stuff in the game took time and money and AG just decides to erase all of that instead of moving the accounts to TO which is clearly possible. They do not get to keep their time and money's worth, even though there is a solution to keep them in. Wish I could sue this company on behalf of all the players who have been screwed as a result from the countless sleazy tactics it has incorporated into their games. Oh and the icing on the turd, the promo codes have an EXPIRY date, what the hell?!

 

Hohohahaha, that is a very nice false fact you got there; "not playing a game for over two months usually means that you abandoned it". Plenty players take extended breaks, if they have spent a significant amount of time on a game, not leave it forever. Stop talking nonsense. I certainly have and so have many other players for many other games.

 

What's the purpose of playing games? Is it only to mindlessly grind up to the highest rank and obtain every single item, and then grind some more when new content get added? If that's the case, then I'd be concerned about how that kind of person spends their life. I play games because I enjoy them. Once I stop enjoying a game - I stop playing it. And I'm fine knowing that one day my account and all of its virtual items and "achievements" will get deleted, because I still had fun playing the game and will leave with years of exciting memories.

I prefer it that it is my decision to delete or keep all of my data. Of course, this game does not have it, that is why I barely play it at all, it gives me a headache at this point in time. Memories you may keep, but I certainly think all players from any game should be furious if they do not technically own their account. But for whatever reason many are fine with this "service" model for games.

 

 

 

That would be a lot of work just to gain a few extra players. Better if the players start a new account, find their existing one, or look for a new game to play entirely.

Don't support them with this decision, what is wrong with you?! The issue isn't just the active players but the countless data of prior players or who had taken an extended break from the game, as well as put a lot of time/money into it that is the issue.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Maf
Insults removed

[Maf 32,306]

I have zero respect for staffs members here, and I am sure you have a good idea as to why.

Regardless of the reason, such behaviour is not tolerated here. Respect everyone or go somewhere else.

 

especially if the company is stable. 

You don't know if their company is stable.

 

moving the accounts to TO which is clearly possible. 

You don't know that either. I'm sure it's possible, but like I said in my post, it's most likely too complicated to be of any benefit. To put it simply, developers would rather close all accounts and deal with the backlash from those few, who actually cared about their TX account, rather than waste time and resources to transfer these accounts to Tanki Online.

 

Hohohahaha, that is a very nice false fact you got there; "not playing a game for over two months usually means that you abandoned it". Plenty players take extended breaks, if they have spent a significant amount of time on a game, not leave it forever. Stop talking nonsense. I certainly have and so have many other players for many other games.

That's why I said "usually". Of course it doesn't apply to everyone.

 

Is none else furious about the accounts simply being deleted instead of being moved to this game? Surely there are plenty people angry about TX being closed and about losing their accounts permanently, no?!

Tanki X is nearly dead (which is why it's closing). The vast majority of those, who would be furious, left a long time ago. Hence, no point transferring accounts.

 

Don't support them with this decision, what is wrong with you?!

Nothing is wrong with him, he simply understands how the economy works.

[XxStriker 519]

I'm quite sure TX is made in unity, which is a different way of coding from TO. This would require manually taking the data of each account and putting it into TO code, which sounds like something that would take far too much time. I don't blame them for their choice.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I am thoroughly convinced staff members here tend to act stupid so that payers who actually are stupid fall for your ploys. Stop spewing trash.

 

Any currency can be converted in value. Both the TX and TO crystals had monetary equivalent values, their use values etc. You may not get the exact metric, but you can get close and fair to allow players to continue playing in TO without having to start from scratch if they just played TX for a long time and spend scrupulous amounts of money on that game. Both of these games have a HUGE amount of overlap that, AS I DEMONSTRATED would be fairly convertible.

 

 

 

The fact is, you CAN keep these players in the game and it won't break your goddamn economy. I even exclaimed a decently balanced way to do so. The separation of paints and upgrades as well as synchronisation of microupgrades made huge changes to many players, often giving them an advantage. They even allowed players to skip upgrades provided the rank. All incredibly great boosts. Did this break the economy? Absolutely not.

 

If you have nothing but this dumb rhetoric to spew of "it can't be converted, it is all fair" then why reply to this topic at all. You are not even addressing my points, which is a nice sleazy thing people like you love to do.

 

 

I know. People should know this. But many do not. And it is brushed under the rug. The fact remains that these accounts could be moved to TO but Alternativa Games decided to take the money and yeet the game's data entirely.

 

 

Since you could get crystals in TX for basically doing nothing (logging in clicking a little icon on a map, logging out) this is an unreasonable request.

[lssimo 1,559]

Since you could get crystals in TX for basically doing nothing (logging in clicking a little icon on a map, logging out) this is an unreasonable request.

 

The player is talking about those that put money into the game.

 

But even if they didn't spend money, transfering as many accounts as possible would mean more players for TO.

Edited September 24, 2019 by lssimo

[wolverine848 13,097]

But the player is talking about those that put money into the game.

So only "buyers" should get accounts transferred? 

[lssimo 1,559]

So only "buyers" should get accounts transferred? 

 

I edited my previous post.

[wolverine848 13,097]

I edited my previous post.

I look forward to the free 150k crystals I will receive for wolverine848 account when they transfer the "balance".  It was all hard-earned.  ;)

 

Should get me... a couple MUs on my Shaft module?   <_<

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I look forward to the free 150k crystals I will receive for wolverine848 account when they transfer the "balance".  It was all hard-earned.  ;)

 

Should get me... a couple MUs on my Shaft module?   <_<

I think I have around 650k on my TX account, only because of an OP promo code. And holy crap, that would've gotten me two m3 kits that would cost me 325k each at most.

 

Now that's what I call balance breaking and economy breaking.

[Maf 32,306]

I look forward to the free 150k crystals I will receive for wolverine848 account when they transfer the "balance".  It was all hard-earned.  ;)

If this were to happen, it would only be for the benefit of non-TO players, meaning that you'd only be able to transfer your stuff to a new TO account in order to continue playing after TX closes. Something like a unique promo code that gives you items of value equivalent to what you had on your TX account, and you can only use the promo code on TO accounts created after the announcement of TX getting closed. But this is only theoretical - in reality it's extremely unlikely that any kind of transfer will be done.

[wolverine848 13,097]

If this were to happen, it would only be for the benefit of non-TO players, meaning that you'd only be able to transfer your stuff to a new TO account in order to continue playing after TX closes. Something like a unique promo code that gives you items of value equivalent to what you had on your TX account, and you can only use the promo code on TO accounts created after the announcement of TX getting closed. But this is only theoretical - in reality it's extremely unlikely that any kind of transfer will be done.

I was kidding of course.

 

But my point was... things like crystals from Tx should not be considered as they were freebies - the economy really was run on containers  - which could not be bought with regular  crystals you could obtain for doing ... nothing.

 

 

Curious though... not that transfer will happen... but IF it did... how would they convert ranks?  They can't just have someone start a new recruit account in TO and give them 400k crystals...

Edited September 24, 2019 by wolverine848

[Guest]

I'm quite sure TX is made in unity, which is a different way of coding from TO. This would require manually taking the data of each account and putting it into TO code, which sounds like something that would take far too much time. I don't blame them for their choice.

You would not need to do anything manually; the whole point of computers is automation.

[Viking4s 10,791]

Never gonna happen. 

 

You spent money on Tanki X to buy Tanki X equipment, not Tanki online. So you cannot claim anything from that. All the TX money is now gone so it will not benefit TO in anyway, so why should you benefit twice from it?

 

From this Tanki X article https://en.forum.tan...he-end-of-2019/  you can see that Alternativa already made a gesture to TX players. If you already took and used the promocode, then you have accepted in principle the compensation. And it is now difficult to request more from Alternativa who did not had to do it. Your only option is to refuse it and you can plead your cause (that would be unwise, because your battle is already lost and you will lose the compensation too).

 

You should start Tanki Online from the start it is more rewarding. If you love TO so much you should have spend money on TO and not TX. 

Make a scrapbook of your Tanki X garage and profile if you are so emotional about it.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Viking4s

[wolverine848 13,097]

You would not need to do anything manually; the whole point of computers is automation.

So... just push a button?

 

I hear that at work ... a lot...  <_<

[NamesAreForNoobs 324]

If you spent money on TX, that's your fault. It is not important for anyone else. 

[Maf 32,306]

Curious though... not that transfer will happen... but IF it did... how would they convert ranks?  They can't just have someone start a new recruit account in TO and give them 400k crystals...

Why not? That would be the same as someone putting $20 into the game in order to get a head start on a new account with M1 items and supplies right away. If they did transfer accounts, it would most likely be only items purchased with money, so probably X-crystals and containers. As for economic balance - if they only transfer X-crystals, then it's just continuation of their account in a different game.

 

The question is which option would give more revenue: either there's no account transfer and (for example) 90% of TX players leave while 10% start over in TO and make purchases; or there is transfer, so perhaps only 30% of players leave, and 70% stay, but they don't make as many purchases (or don't purchase for a few months) due to having plenty of crystals and/or tankoins due to the transfer.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Why not? That would be the same as someone putting $20 into the game in order to get a head start on a new account with M1 items and supplies right away. If they did transfer accounts, it would most likely be only items purchased with money, so probably X-crystals and containers. As for economic balance - if they only transfer X-crystals, then it's just continuation of their account in a different game.

 

The question is which option would give more revenue: either there's no account transfer and (for example) 90% of TX players leave while 10% start over in TO and make purchases; or there is transfer, so perhaps only 30% of players leave, and 70% stay, but they don't make as many purchases (or don't purchase for a few months) due to having plenty of crystals and/or tankoins due to the transfer.

By $20 did you mean 71.99 USD? 

[GunslingerMongoose 198]

I am thoroughly convinced staff members here tend to act stupid so that payers who actually are stupid fall for your ploys. Stop spewing trash.

 

In case any of you were wondering, this is how you get banned.

 

In case OP was wondering, it's faster to just ask to be banned from the forum than to actually try to get banned.