Wheteher tanki is Pay TO win or not?

[Amagi 1,728]

I personally think you can do very well in TO as long as you manage your resources very efficiently and/or are very lucky with containers.

 

However, it is very easy for buyers to get ahead of the curve. An example is M2 kits that can be bought in the Warrant Officer ranks. Those can then be micro-upgraded to their M3 stats on the same ranks the stuff was bought at. What you end up with are fully drugged-up M3s absolutely crushing the average M1-M2 player. For this reason, I have pretty much abandoned my alts.

 

Another example would be the unsustainability of drone usage. The normal Legend would get around only get around 60 batteries a week, which only lasts for a few battles. Buyers are able buy thousands of batteries to fuel their drones indefinitely and afford the millions of crystals to fully MU one.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Stinger911

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49 minutes ago, DeathIsImminent said:

I don't think you need an explanation to understand why, do you not know the consensus definition of P2W? At the same time, big hypocrisy right there, OP.

 

But it looks like people really here have that low of an IQ, so let me explain; if it has ANY possible MECHANIC that allows people who PAY for the game get an ADVANTAGE then the game is P2W, no exceptions.

 

 

Unexpectedly blunt on the front of the game losing players, coming from an admin. The better solution for the game would be to go less P2W so as people would actually enjoy playing it more, recommend it to other people and help it grow, otherwise you are just delaying and brushing under the rug the inevitable. For a mid-size indie developer, this isn't sustainable business. Wonder why AG's choosing to yeet itself to bankruptcy. Something weird up with the shareholder(s) or the CEO (if you even have one of those)? EA, for instance, has expendable games that they reroll every year or two before they just re-sell the same trash again for profit. This game doesn't do that, it has a Fortnite model of an on-going Free-to-play, but with massively increasing P2W tactics. This is a disaster waiting to happen

Tanki has a very exploitable playerbase. They're also moving to mobile, so even more sheep get herded in.

 

Also doesn't help that Opex-rah is the general antithesis of the community's opinion. 

(hates strategic/skilled play, dosen't like long games, everything has to be quick and easy for him)

[Legacy 7]

Tanki is not p2w you just gotta be smart

[TWICE 798]

It should not even be a question in the first place.

 

Sure you can P2W if you invest loads of money into this dying game, but you still need to push the buttons to beat the crap out of your enemies. So... whether to pay or not, the choice is yours.

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 hours ago, Legacy said:

Tanki is not p2w you just gotta be smart

what exactly does "smart" mean?

 

A low-rank player ends up in a battle against buyers that have kits fully upgraded to m2.9. And upgraded drones.  Is the "smart" move to exit that battle ASAP?

In those situations skills will only do so much...

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

As someone who has hated on and harassed buyers, I'm gonna vote that TO is NOT P2W.

It used to be P2W... this is no longer the case. Before, as a F2P, you could only scrap up enough crystals to purchase and upgrade only 1 combo. Now, they literally give out crystals for literally nothing and I can complete the garage and M4 everything as well even if I don't spend any money on the game. 

 

Though the lower ranks is extremely unbalanced and is possibly P2W depending on who you can matched up against.

Edited December 23, 2019 by sensei_tanker

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On 12/6/2019 at 2:24 AM, Viking4s said:

Since you can buy product kits 2 ranks earlier than normal players and buy crystals to upgrade your kit to the highest upgrades, there is no doubt that it is P2W.

Same with drones, the complete upgrades require so many crystals that buyers will have it upgraded way sooner than normal players.
There is also powerful free to play options like ODs that render voids the power of strong players, but overall the buyers is the winner by a large margin.

It is not hard to earn crystals, you just get less than the others. 

Agreed.  I can do well consistently with Rico and dictator m3 and m2.9 respectively, but I cannot afford to MU protections, buy and use drones, and use more than 1 combination.  

 

The thing i hate most are are buyers who roll into a match with m4 gear, but don’t even know how to turn their turret.  The only thing that got them this far is their mother’s credit card.  

[Legacy 7]

18 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

what exactly does "smart" mean?

 

You know, saving up your crystals to buy kits in early ranks I never spent money in tanki and I have a second lieutenant acc with 3 m2s and nearly 600k crystals and huge ammont of supplies that I gained from containers and missions only

[BacardyXX 17]

of course its pay to win..those who thinks its not are just delusional. 

 

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

5 hours ago, BacardyXX said:

of course its pay to win..those who thinks its not are just delusional. 

I believe those will believe that the current state of the game is P2W is delusional. It used to be P2W, not anymore. You don't realize how easy the game is now for everyone...

 

You don't need to spend a single cent to have equipment that are able to compete. 

[kaisdf 3,320]

The game is P2W and always will be - it has to be for the game to make profit.

 

The main evolution in the game is that it is now not just possible to keep up, but pretty easy, as long as you're willing to work with a narrower range of equipment.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

On 12/24/2019 at 2:33 AM, Legacy said:

You know, saving up your crystals to buy kits in early ranks I never spent money in tanki and I have a second lieutenant acc with 3 m2s and nearly 600k crystals and huge ammont of supplies that I gained from containers and missions only

I don't like wasting crystals on m1 or m2 kits unless I have a boatload of crystals and nothing else to do in the meantime.

 

I'd rather just buy them individually because it's cheaper and I'm not forced to use a specific combo. Plus I would then have crystals left to MU them to next modification.

[BacardyXX 17]

11 hours ago, sensei_tanker said:

I believe those will believe that the current state of the game is P2W is delusional. It used to be P2W, not anymore. You don't realize how easy the game is now for everyone...

 

You don't need to spend a single cent to have equipment that are able to compete. 

 

Your answer doesnt make any sense. No point to answer this, good old google search what "Pay To Win" means explains everything.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pay to Win

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
 

10 hours ago, kaisdf said:

The game is P2W and always will be - it has to be for the game to make profit.

 

The main evolution in the game is that it is now not just possible to keep up, but pretty easy, as long as you're willing to work with a narrower range of equipment.

Why this Poll/topic is even open? Like u said it clearly is Pay To Win game and no point to let people prove something different that its not. 

 

[wolverine848 13,097]

On 12/24/2019 at 5:33 AM, Legacy said:

You know, saving up your crystals to buy kits in early ranks I never spent money in tanki and I have a second lieutenant acc with 3 m2s and nearly 600k crystals and huge ammont of supplies that I gained from containers and missions only

Does not explain how to fight a sergeant with m2 smoky and m2 titan.

Saving is awesome.  But does not come close to what a buyer can have at the same rank.  

 

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

On 12/25/2019 at 5:08 PM, kaisdf said:

The game is P2W and always will be - it has to be for the game to make profit.

 

The main evolution in the game is that it is now not just possible to keep up, but pretty easy, as long as you're willing to work with a narrower range of equipment.

But you are completely missing the definition of P2W. P2W means that you have to spend money in order to progress far in the game. The current state of the game allows F2P players to complete their entire garages without spending a single cent. The only difference is that we F2P players cannot get every thing M4 and every single animated paint in the game.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Just now, sensei_tanker said:

But you are completely missing the definition of P2W. P2W means that you have to spend money in order to progress far in the game. The current state of the game allows F2P players to complete their entire garages without spending a single cent. The only difference is that we F2P players cannot get every thing M4 and every single animated paint in the game.

Seriously?

P2W... Pay-To-WIN.   Those who PAY  WIN way more often... as in top-3.

 

Has nothing to do with how far you can progress.  You progress just by playing - even with junk equipment.  Can take a long, long time, but you still progress.  But you don't WIN.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

Seriously?

P2W... Pay-To-WIN.   Those who PAY  WIN way more often... as in top-3.

 

Has nothing to do with how far you can progress.  You progress just by playing - even with junk equipment.  Can take a long, long time, but you still progress.  But you don't WIN.

My definition of winning is to reach Legend in the long-run, not a short-term victory, which is exactly why I do not think TO is P2W, as you mentioned, you can still progress with junk equipment. 

 

It's actually not that hard to reach Top-3 without spending any money... but it sure is a lot easier with M4s.... going by your definition, virtually every free game is P2W

[kaisdf 3,320]

1 hour ago, sensei_tanker said:

going by your definition, virtually every free game is P2W

It's almost like free games need to make money... huh.

 

Paying can massively increase your chances of winning, because you can easily avoid prot modules, you have more supplies, M4s, drones, etc. Thus, P2W.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

14 hours ago, kaisdf said:

It's almost like free games need to make money... huh.

 

Paying can massively increase your chances of winning, because you can easily avoid prot modules, you have more supplies, M4s, drones, etc. Thus, P2W.

Well, some of the other games make their revenues by ads.

 

Yes, but you're not required to pay to win at the highest ranks. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, sensei_tanker said:

Well, some of the other games make their revenues by ads.

 

Yes, but you're not required to pay to win at the highest ranks. 

At brigadier to general ranks, if you wanted an m3, you would have to pay. And if you don't have m3 in those ranks you'll be at a huge disadvantage against marshals and legends with m3s who might even have m4s.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, sensei_tanker said:

Well, some of the other games make their revenues by ads.

 

Yes, but you're not required to pay to win at the highest ranks. 

So... play for a year (or 2) and then you can win without paying?

 

I'm not saying TO should change their model - without revenue there is no TO.

But we need to call a Spade a Spade... the game - literally - is pay to WIN.

In the low to mid-ranks, buyers have a HUGE advantage and will, more often than not, be the "winners" of the battles - complete their top-3 missions, get the most stars and get the lions share of the battle-funds.

[servusDei2019 0]

I've never had to pay to win, in the true sense of the word. It's very possible to win without paying.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

6 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

So... play for a year (or 2) and then you can win without paying?

 

I'm not saying TO should change their model - without revenue there is no TO.

But we need to call a Spade a Spade... the game - literally - is pay to WIN.

In the low to mid-ranks, buyers have a HUGE advantage and will, more often than not, be the "winners" of the battles - complete their top-3 missions, get the most stars and get the lions share of the battle-funds.

I've known plenty of F2P players who can win in 2 years and never log back on again. You'd probably think that only the P2W players are able to do that. That's because P2W players are the ones more likely to be found spending 12 hours a day playing tanki because they are more zealous about the game. 

 

You can get equally good equipment as a F2P. The only drawback is that you can only have 1 combo, which is really all you need, and that you don't have a bunch of flashy paints.

[Legacy 7]

On 12/26/2019 at 11:10 PM, wolverine848 said:

Does not explain how to fight a sergeant with m2 smoky and m2 titan.

Saving is awesome.  But does not come close to what a buyer can have at the same rank.  

 

Buyers are a minority and overpowered buyers are rare you don't meet them every battle but when you meet one just run and I wouldn't mind fighting one or two op buyers each few battles if you want to do well in battles against buyers you should know how to save up your crystals since early ranks and in early M2 ranks you won't find any gap between you and buyers you could also start saving and literally buy 3-5 M3 kits once they are available also you should turn your turret you know equipment isn't everything

Edited December 29, 2019 by Legacy

[DeathIsImminent 153]

I'm still amazed by the amount of people here who don't know what P2W means. This game is P2W, because you can pay more money to have higher chances of winning, end of. It doesn't directly imply that you have to pay to have any chance of victory. It simply means that if you pay, and you can boost your power level by doing so, which this game 100% has, especially with the way that drones work; without buying, you can't use them 100% of the time, you will run out of batteries and the means to get more until the next day or more sooner or later.