UPDATED - The WAR for Christmas is here

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

@Manix321 Elves wanted to team with Santas to crush us Snowmen at the beginning. So yeah, I guess that Karma is sometimes a :bip:

 

6 minutes ago, lssimo said:

Who knows, that informations is probably hidden somewhere in the mile long opening post.

In any case, it's pretty stupid, each time a faction lose a territory, it means points loss. I don't see the point of that.

 

But hey, after all, they know what they do, right?

 

And Ikr, this opening post > headaches.

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

41 minutes ago, a7x_Pedro48 said:

So it is possible for a Faction to lose points? Yesterday we had 38, today 33. I had no idea it was possible, and it's really dumb.

 

Was it like that for the previous War?

Everything is possible & fair to make Santa win.

and this paint is same like Smoke Screen. and its name should be Facepalm not trapped inside because have not won any battle wearing it.

 

 

[Viking4s 10,791]

On 12/2/2019 at 11:51 AM, Marcus said:

It seems that there are still some misunderstandings about how points are counted. Let’s review it once again.

At the end of each turn, we will count the points for regions that are occupied by factions.

For example, let’s count the points for the current situation.

Right now, all factions have the same amount of points — 22. At the moment of publishing this article, each faction had:

13 regions worth 1 point each — 13 x 1 = 13

and 3 regions worth 3 points each — 3 x 3 = 9

Total — 13 + 9 = 22

If a faction loses a region, it also loses the points for that region, and they will be deducted from the total amount of points. 

Pay attention to the fact that owning your capital gives you 1 point, but owning other capitals give you 5 points. And Vaults give 3 points.

# lol, there is simple explanation, yet incredible, about this "misunderstanding" you never explained it in the first place. We had to wait till the turn 6 to have a clear and complete explanation. 
I can only assume that you guys lost track with all the small daily update and the stress from the mess regrading the web issue. While it was clear for you how things work we could only guess, and everybody assumed it was like last war. On top of that we tried to untangle all the confusion of the wording for the points and the voting.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Viking4s

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

It seems that there are still some misunderstandings about how points are counted.

 

No, it's easy to understand. The dumb thing is why deducting points? A faction can work hard for like 12 days and loses everything in the last 2 days.

 

Anyways, why it says this at the bottom of the War page?

 

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We are at the turn 6 actually.

[Viking4s 10,791]

6 minutes ago, a7x_Pedro48 said:

It seems that there are still some misunderstandings about how points are counted.

No, it's easy to understand. The dumb thing is why deducting points? A faction can work hard for like 12 days and loses everything in the last 2 days.

Well then you would see that they are not deducting, just counting the point per maps your faction owns. 
This is to keep the fight on, and reduce the possibility of a blown out war.

[lssimo 1,559]

@Marcus

Maybe put Updates in one section, then Rules in another, and finally FAQ.

Forget about Old Announcements, just clarify, order and fix the main post.

Edited December 17, 2019 by lssimo

[Viking4s 10,791]

6 minutes ago, lssimo said:

Maybe put Updates in one section, then Rules in another, and finally FAQ.

Forget about Old Announcements, just clarify, order and fix the main post.

And where can we see the total number of Stars? And not last turn’s numbers?

Or the idea is to be as obscure as possible?

That would have helped a lot. 
Now everybody went to war not knowing what to do, to the benefit of Santa. + 16 point for Santa in this turn.

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

17 minutes ago, Viking4s said:

Well then you would see that they are not deducting, just counting the point per maps your faction owns. 
This is to keep the fight on, and reduce the possibility of a blown out war.

Snowmen went from 38 to 33, so yeah, it's deducted.

 

Reduce the possibility of a blown out war? Who cares? If Santas are gonna win by 90 points, let them, they are stronger. I would hate to see a Faction like Elves win, as they do not deserve it compared to Santas.

[Viking4s 10,791]

2 minutes ago, a7x_Pedro48 said:

Snowmen went from 38 to 33, so yeah, it's deducted.

Reduce the possibility of a blown out war? Who cares? If Santas are gonna win by 90 points, let them, they are stronger. I would hate to see a Faction like Elves win, as they do not deserve it compared to Santas.

Fight till the end, only the last turn will count. Everything in between is temporary. Also the more maps Santa gets the less the others have and then the more they can defend them. They can come back (lions did), especially if players start to understand better the rules of this xmas war. But if you admit defeat now..., you are not cut for it (run).

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

I don't admit defeat, tell me where I said that. I'm just telling that with the old system, Santa would win for sure this War.

 

But with this system, you can play dumb for 10 days and win in the end, that does not see very fair to me.

[Viking4s 10,791]

Next turn Santa has 12 maps to defends. And we will hold a country with 5 points, many players will focus on defend it. It will be messy and create some breach in our defence. While others faction will have few maps to attack they will be stronger than before. Elves will recover on the next turn. Not sure about Snowman. They wasted 60k defence stars on Kungur only, against 16k attack. That was a mistake, they will learn.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Viking4s

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

Snowmen will have two 5 points territories tomorrow (if we attack successfully Valley). So we will have 10 more points. But it's ridiculous because we will not be able to defend them tomorrow, we will at least lose 5 points. There is really no point attacking or defending right now, except to protect the Capital and avoid being eliminated.

 

But all we are doing now is pretty much useless and the real War will start at Turn 13 and 14, and turn 14 will be 5 hours shorter.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, a7x_Pedro48 said:

Snowmen went from 38 to 33, so yeah, it's deducted.

 

Reduce the possibility of a blown out war? Who cares? If Santas are gonna win by 90 points, let them, they are stronger. I would hate to see a Faction like Elves win, as they do not deserve it compared to Santas.

Isn't it points per territory held per turn?  So cumulative...

Over 2 diff turns hold 38 regions and lose 5 in next turn so hold 33.  Total for 2 turns is 71.

Pretty sure that's how it was in last "map war".

[lssimo 1,559]

Elves are like Wolves, which were more like Chickens.

Running away from Santas.

Are they aiming for second place and the 20 containers?

Wait, what 20 containers? Second gets no containers.

About the same thing with Snowmen.

I think how the map is presented helps the faction on the top.

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

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[r_Given6 859]

5 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Isn't it points per territory held per turn?  So cumulative...

Over 2 diff turns hold 38 regions and lose 5 in next turn so hold 33.  Total for 2 turns is 71.

Pretty sure that's how it was in last "map war".

In this War, only capturing a region gives the faction points. There are no points from the regions defended. The total number of points of a faction depends only upon the territories it currently holds.

In the last War, the points from the regions defended were added to the total score. If you see the map of the last War, the Lions expanded so fast that they soon reached the winning limit of points. After the massive expansion, the Wolves and Bears were making their way really quickly into the Lions territory and might even have defeated them, if the War hadn't ended.

 

The Christmas War is definitely more unpredictable, but that's kind of nice, since it won't end quickly like last time. So we get more containers.

 

[lssimo 1,559]

What if we tie at the end?

Will we all get containers?

6 hours ago, Given said:

In this War, only capturing a region gives the faction points. There are no points from the regions defended. The total number of points of a faction depends only upon the territories it currently holds.

In the last War, the points from the regions defended were added to the total score. If you see the map of the last War, the Lions expanded so fast that they soon reached the winning limit of points. After the massive expansion, the Wolves and Bears were making their way really quickly into the Lions territory and might even have defeated them, if the War hadn't ended.

 

The Christmas War is definitely more unpredictable, but that's kind of nice, since it won't end quickly like last time. So we get more containers.

But last time, I think there was a goal of Stars, I think that was the problem. If there wasn't a goal of Stars and instead there was only a limit of time, then things would have been different.

Now it's counter intuitive. But lets see if the masses learn to play this format before the end.

If all it matters is the results of the final day, then that should be very clear in the first post.

Maybe Snowmen and Elves are saving their supplies for the last days, because it looks like this 2 factions are earning fewer Stars, I'm guessing, I'm not going to count.

Edited December 17, 2019 by lssimo

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

Santa 66 snow 26 elves 22.

Wow 

[Manix321 3]

Despite Santas have bigger territory, they only have to protect 11 territories, Elfs 14 and Snowmen 14. If we take into account that Santas have better players and more attack stars it seems that Santa will conquer the whole map before day 24, and Elfs and Snowmen can say goodbye to containers. To win the containers individual awards it is required to have at least ONE territory. Keep the good job Snowmen and Elfs...keep fighting each other and this war will end sooner and with it your rewards.

[gio_the_killer 836]

Elves and snowmen have to unite against santas or it's game over ;-;

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 hours ago, Given said:

In this War, only capturing a region gives the faction points. There are no points from the regions defended. The total number of points of a faction depends only upon the territories it currently holds.

In the last War, the points from the regions defended were added to the total score. If you see the map of the last War, the Lions expanded so fast that they soon reached the winning limit of points. After the massive expansion, the Wolves and Bears were making their way really quickly into the Lions territory and might even have defeated them, if the War hadn't ended.

 

The Christmas War is definitely more unpredictable, but that's kind of nice, since it won't end quickly like last time. So we get more containers.

 

I don't think there's a difference.  "defended" or "held" are the same thing.  All they did/do is count the # territories held at the end of each turn.

The # territoties a team holds can remain static, go up or go down.  But scoring would be cumulative from one turn to the next.

Example of territories held by a team at end of each turn over 5 turns

1) Gain 3 lose none... awarded 3pts

2) Gain 2 lose none... awarded 5 pts (3+2)... total = 3+5 = 8

3) Gain 2 lose 1... awarded 6 pts (5+2-1)    total= 3+5+6 = 14

4)  Gain 1 lose 3 ... awarded 4 pts (6+1-3)  total = 3+5+6+4 = 18

5) Gain 2 lose 2 ... awarded 4 pts (4+2-2)  total = 3+5+6+4+4 = 22 points over 5 turns.   This is how it worked in Lions/Bears/Wolves

 

You saying there's no cumulation?  How does thew war end?  Just count # territories held on last turn?

[Viking4s 10,791]

55 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

You saying there's no cumulation?  How does thew war end?  Just count # territories held on last turn?

Yes, no accumulation. The war end at the last turn on the 24th of December. Yes, count # maps on the last turn.

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

Tomorrow last day of war

[wolverine848 13,097]

43 minutes ago, Viking4s said:

Yes, no accumulation. The war end at the last turn on the 24th of December. Yes, count # maps on the last turn.

Does it seem better than Lions/Wolves/bears War doing it this way?

[r_Given6 859]

6 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Does it seem better than Lions/Wolves/bears War doing it this way?

The War actually has a chance of lasting the whole duration (if the factions manage to defend their capital) instead of just ending with the Santas getting the required 'cumulative limit'. 

In fact, Elves or Snowmen can even strike back and win this War, if they have the power and organisation. This would not have been possible if points were added at each turn.