declined Remove M3s from Warrant Officers' garages and give them crystals as a compensation

[BouDy 115]

Some people after the update gets m3 at Warrant Officers and then say " WHERE IS THE BALANCE ? / THE GAME IS UNBALANCED/ etc "

So my idea might make a lot of people angry but It will solve that unbalance problem  because new players won't be able to have fun if this problem isn't solved.

I suggest to Remove M3s from all people garages  and the price of the turret they made m3

For example : Let's say I got Freeze m3 at WO5, freeze mk7 costs 239 400  , so what will happen?
You'll remove mk7 freeze from my garage and replace it with the 239 400 

So this was an example.

Briefly, the idea is : removing the m3 turret from warrant officers and lieutenants garages,  giving them the price of that m3 they had as a compensation.

Advantages:

1- There will no m3s at low ranks , so if you implemented this idea in addition to the idea that I suggested before that ( Nerf Supplies) , the game will receive a huge balance and non buyers will be happier than before.

2- Modifications update will start making more balance in middle ranks..

3- 30% of the people will no longer be angry as you gave them a compensation.

 

Disadvantages:

1- 70% of players will be angry ( in both cases btw this is the only solution to solve the problem and players care only about themself )

 

share your opinions about this idea in the comments...

[Maf 32,855]

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This would be extremely damaging to the game's economy, so there will not be any crystal compensation for anything. Otherwise we'll have the same situation as in 2012, when everyone got their full garages refunded and had to suffer from low battle rewards for a year afterwards because the game didn't generate enough revenue.

[BouDy 115]

I wish then tanki solves the problem with even another manner because that problem might destroy the balance..

Buyers can make their equipement simply m4 , so m4 + supplies against m2 non buyers will be a very big problem..

How will the game gain players while there are m4 players at middle ranks?

[Maf 32,855]

Just now, BouDy said:

 

You're not wrong, but devs said that these people will quickly progress through ranks due to their advantage, so the problem will solve itself after a few months.

[DieselPlatinum 5,275]

I think the modification update was a bad one. Made saving up for something a lot more complicated and confusing. Now instead of having m3s vs m1s and even some m0s, it's m4s vs m1s kind m0s.

 

Also @Maf, you said that these players will quickly progress through the ranks. That's a lot of players that will have have to do just that.

 

It wouldve been better if they just made m1 mammoth unlock at sergeant major and m2 freeze at 3rd LT, then make the earliest kits be unlocked at WO5 for m2 and staff sergeant for m1.

 

And since j certain we are talking about it. All the m3 separates should be unlocked at LT General.

[wolverine848 13,152]

On 1/27/2020 at 3:56 AM, Maf said:

You're not wrong, but devs said that these people will quickly progress through ranks due to their advantage, so the problem will solve itself after a few months.

Still can't beileve they didn't make those m2.10 = mk6.10.  Would have minimized the problem.  6.10 is still powerful... but at least they would not be able to upgrade that.

 

As a user of m2.10 at the time that is what I was expecting - and thus would not have cried about being "stuck" with mk6.10.

[Dhikr 132]

22 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Still can't beileve they didn't make those m2.10 = mk6.10.  Would have minimized the problem.  6.10 is still powerful... but at least they would not be able to upgrade that.

 

As a user of m2.10 at the time that is what I was expecting - and thus would not have cried about being "stuck" with mk6.10.

Exactly what I was thinking. By doing that, they would of easily solved the problem of having M4 (Mk7+ now) at Warrant Officer ranks. Now overpowered players will just take their sweet time ranking to maximize the duration of the advantages. And there are legend players with/without M4 in legend rank MM...

[Maf 32,855]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Also @Maf, you said that these players will quickly progress through the ranks. That's a lot of players that will have have to do just that.

I absolutely agree that it was a weird decision to create such an imbalance of equipment, even if it's temporary. We only recently recovered from the imbalance caused by the very first kits (like the Viking Thunder Emerald one), but now it seems like this update made it even worse. Even if people play actively and rank up in 6 months, there will always be inactive alternate accounts coming back every now and again, so the equipment gap will never truly be gone. Oh well...

 

As for the prices - I'm pretty sure the new kits system in HTML5 gives you a pretty serious advantage for purchase of new equipment due to being able to buy it at the highest modification directly, AND them also having 15% discounts. So if you are high rank and want to try whole new turrets, waiting for a suitable kit might be a good way to go.

[DieselPlatinum 5,275]

54 minutes ago, Maf said:

I absolutely agree that it was a weird decision to create such an imbalance of equipment, even if it's temporary. We only recently recovered from the imbalance caused by the very first kits (like the Viking Thunder Emerald one), but now it seems like this update made it even worse. Even if people play actively and rank up in 6 months, there will always be inactive alternate accounts coming back every now and again, so the equipment gap will never truly be gone. Oh well...

 

As for the prices - I'm pretty sure the new kits system in HTML5 gives you a pretty serious advantage for purchase of new equipment due to being able to buy it at the highest modification directly, AND them also having 15% discounts. So if you are high rank and want to try whole new turrets, waiting for a suitable kit might be a good way to go.

We just need to accept the fact that unless the company is rich enough without having to resort to P2W features to generate enough revenue for server maintenance, then the P2W features are necessary. You don't to like it, but you have to respect it. Which means the P2W gap will never leave. But at least you can narrow it a bit. 

 

People having m3s at first sergeant was never an MU problem. It was a kit problem.

[wolverine848 13,152]

3 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

People having m3s at first sergeant was never an MU problem. It was a kit problem.

In old system, if Kit access was changed, what is to stop a "buyer" from getting smoky m1 & Titan m1 at Master Sergeant then MU-ing those to m1.10 (or is it 20?)  ?

A kit-buyer could not get that upgraded any further than a buyer doing it piece by piece.  I guess they can get the kit a bit earlier - but the max upgrade level remains the same.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,275]

25 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

In old system, if Kit access was changed, what is to stop a "buyer" from getting smoky m1 & Titan m1 at Master Sergeant then MU-ing those to m1.10 (or is it 20?)  ?

A kit-buyer could not get that upgraded any further than a buyer doing it piece by piece.  I guess they can get the kit a bit earlier - but the max upgrade level remains the same.

 

But at least if my suggestion was in the game it would've been m3 at WO5 and m2 at staff sergeant instead of m3 at first sergeant and m2 at gefreiter.

 

On my VikingPrime account I had my m1 smoky MUed to 9/10 at WO2 without spending a single penny on it.

[wolverine848 13,152]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

But at least if my suggestion was in the game it would've been m3 at WO5 and m2 at staff sergeant instead of m3 at first sergeant and m2 at gefreiter.

 

On my VikingPrime account I had my m1 smoky MUed to 9/10 at WO2 without spending a single penny on it.

How was m3 available at first sergeant?  There's no kit that gives m2 at that rank.  And you can't MU smoky past m1.10 until Colonel.  I suppose you buy a kit again ($$) to get m2 at a lower rank than Colonel... but that is still >> than 1st Sergeant.

[Dhikr 132]

49 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

How was m3 available at first sergeant?  There's no kit that gives m2 at that rank.  And you can't MU smoky past m1.10 until Colonel.  I suppose you buy a kit again ($$) to get m2 at a lower rank than Colonel... but that is still >> than 1st Sergeant.

He said m3 at first sergeant is available now, due to the Mk update. There's no kit, but a player who had purchased a m1 kit before the update, micro-upgraded it to m1 10/10 (essentially m2), it became an m3 (mk7) following the new update.

[DieselPlatinum 5,275]

55 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

How was m3 available at first sergeant?  There's no kit that gives m2 at that rank.  And you can't MU smoky past m1.10 until Colonel.  I suppose you buy a kit again ($$) to get m2 at a lower rank than Colonel... but that is still >> than 1st Sergeant.

My bad, Siberian kit was available for master sergeant. But not much of a difference there.

1 minute ago, Dhikr said:

He said m3 at first sergeant is available now, due to the Mk update. There's no kit, but a player who had purchased a m1 kit before the update, micro-upgraded it to m1 10/10 (essentially m2), it became an m3 (mk7) following the new update.

No I'm talking about the old kits before this whole modification mess.

[Dhikr 132]

3 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

My bad, Siberian kit was available for master sergeant. But not much of a difference there.

No I'm talking about the old kits before this whole modification mess.

Oh lol my bad, it seemed to me as if he was confused as to why players why mk7 at such low ranks after the update.

[Shwax 64]

4 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

On my VikingPrime account I had my m1 smoky MUed to 9/10 at WO2 without spending a single penny on it.

My other account, Taxes, had M1 rico max upgraded as well (Yeah, without paying real cash) at Master Sergeant. It's now mk5, and upgradable to mk 6.

[Dhikr 132]

13 minutes ago, Dark.Angel said:

My other account, Taxes, had M1 rico max upgraded as well (Yeah, without paying real cash) at Master Sergeant. It's now mk5, and upgradable to mk 6.

Nice, I also had something similar happen to me: my m2 10/10 became mk7 allowing me to get m4. The game isn't really p2w if your a player, and it's possible not be left behind buyers if you're smart. People who constantly says the game is p2w is because they fail to turn their turret or something, and even if you give them good equipment, they would still be struggling.

[DieselPlatinum 5,275]

45 minutes ago, Dhikr said:

Nice, I also had something similar happen to me: my m2 10/10 became mk7 allowing me to get m4. The game isn't really p2w if your a player, and it's possible not be left behind buyers if you're smart. People who constantly says the game is p2w is because they fail to turn their turret or something, and even if you give them good equipment, they would still be struggling.

I think it's P2W. But like I told Maf, it has to be, because the company is way too small to be able to financially support the game without having to resort to it.

 

If it was a big company like Roblox, then it wouldn't need the P2W features, and can just rely mostly on the cosmetic items that they sell.

[Dhikr 132]

5 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

I think it's P2W. But like I told Maf, it has to be, because the company is way too small to be able to financially support the game without having to resort to it.

 

If it was a big company like Roblox, then it wouldn't need the P2W features, and can just rely mostly on the cosmetic items that they sell.

Yeah, I agree that the overall state of the game could be classified as p2w, espicially in the perspective of brand new players when they get constantly obliterated by highly upgraded players (aswell as skilled players of course). I'm just saying that if your a knowledgable all-around player, you should be able to disregard this fact and still be able to perform on a similar, if not better, level than players who spend real money.

[Potdindy 870]

8 hours ago, Maf said:

I absolutely agree that it was a weird decision to create such an imbalance of equipment, even if it's temporary. We only recently recovered from the imbalance caused by the very first kits (like the Viking Thunder Emerald one), but now it seems like this update made it even worse. Even if people play actively and rank up in 6 months, there will always be inactive alternate accounts coming back every now and again, so the equipment gap will never truly be gone. Oh well...

 

It is concerning that the response of the devs to further screwing up the midranks is "it will fix itself in six months". (That is a quote that is made up by what is said above :D)

 

Thats a looong time of getting wrecked. I guarantee if I had to spend even a month of getting wrecked every day by m3s, id be like "adios!"

 

What would be relieving to see would be "Folks we botched the conversion..the update was huge and we messed up this part...we will be moving all mk7s to mk6 10/10 and rewarding them with the proper crystals".

Such would show them taking responsibility and wanting to grow good will among their players. The fact that their current stance is, "well you got screwed...sorry mate. At least in half a year you will be ok".

 

Not trying to be bitter at all. Still love this noob game that wont let me quit, so its frustrating that devs know they can get away with anything.

[wolverine848 13,152]

2 hours ago, Dhikr said:

my m2 10/10 became mk7 allowing me to get m4. The game isn't really p2w if your a player, and it's possible not be left behind buyers if you're smart.

You know this is pure luck right?

[Dhikr 132]

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

You know this is pure luck right?

Are you referring to the fact that 10/10 stuff became the next modification (ie. m2 10/10 mk7). If so, it wasn't really luck, I know a few players who were thinking that this would happen beforehand and it made sense at that moment in time. For m2 10/10, there were two possibilities: mk7 or mk6 10/10, anything else would decrease the damage done by the turret/hull, a fact that they stated would definitely not occur.

[wolverine848 13,152]

9 minutes ago, Dhikr said:

Are you referring to the fact that 10/10 stuff became the next modification (ie. m2 10/10 mk7). If so, it wasn't really luck, I know a few players who were thinking that this would happen beforehand and it made sense at that moment in time. For m2 10/10, there were two possibilities: mk7 or mk6 10/10, anything else would decrease the damage done by the turret/hull, a fact that they stated would definitely not occur.

I benefited too.  And it made no sense - should have been converted to mk6.10.

So... pure luck.

[Maf 32,855]

42 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

and rewarding them with the proper crystals

Like I said in my other posts - the only way anyone is getting crystals back is if we suffer elsewhere, such as reduced battle rewards for X period of time.

[Dhikr 132]

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

I benefited too.  And it made no sense - should have been converted to mk6.10.

So... pure luck.

Yeah, I mean, I agree, sense wise, mk7 definetely wasn't a good idea, but now it's too late to go back. I doubt anyone, with the exception of a very few people, were expecting this to happen.