declined " Modification Locked " Feature

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, Soulto said:

so the other one is complicated but can be done if dev wanna do

that is if you are fighting in mk4 range and you have a mk7+

then your mk7+ will be temporarily downgraded to mk4 for that battle to maintaine balanced game play

Rank-Ranges can be quite wide (up to 8 ) during non-peak times.

That means a mid-level player (mk4) can be placed in battles with high-levels (mk7).  What decides if a "downgrade" should happen?  Why should the higher rank suffer penalites to their equipment when they've put in time and crystals to upgrade them?

And buyers would reject this outright - they won't spend $$ to have equipment exactly the same as non-buyers (or lower ranks).  The game will fold without the $$.

[Maf 32,352]

7 hours ago, BouDy said:

If you didn't get smoky mk6 or mk5 you will also get your smoky m3 for free at marshal.

You won't have to pay your m3  again so You won't lose anything.

Dude, I get if people are using the old system (M0 - M4) because everyone is used to it, but at least don't start mixing the two in one post! Gets incredibly confusing.

@wolverine848 What if instead of forcing you to buy Mk1-Mk5 in order to play with Smoky because the Mk7 you aready own is unavailable, doesn't it make more sense to turn your Mk7 into Mk5 and give you higher modifications for free as you progress through the ranks? This makes a lot more sense to me.

[Maf 32,352]

16 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

That means a mid-level player (mk4) can be placed in battles with high-levels (mk7).  What decides if a "downgrade" should happen? 

In any battle your turret would get downgraded to the highest modification possible. If there high rank players with Mk7 and your rank only allows Mk5 (but you have Mk7 purchased), then you will play with Mk7.

[wolverine848 13,097]

33 minutes ago, Maf said:

Dude, I get if people are using the old system (M0 - M4) because everyone is used to it, but at least don't start mixing the two in one post! Gets incredibly confusing.

@wolverine848 What if instead of forcing you to buy Mk1-Mk5 in order to play with Smoky because the Mk7 you aready own is unavailable, doesn't it make more sense to turn your Mk7 into Mk5 and give you higher modifications for free as you progress through the ranks? This makes a lot more sense to me.

 

We definitley should not have to re-buy anything.  That is a non-starter.

 

So this "down-grade" only happens to those with mk7 who are below rank where mk7 should be available?  What about kits?  Why buy an mk7 kit f you can be downgraded?

 

How many of these "super-players" are there?  They had to be of rank to acquire an actua m2 (not m1.9) and then upgrade that to m2.10 to "prematurely" get an mk7.  What is the lowest rank possible and is there really an epidemic of these specific players?

 

32 minutes ago, Maf said:

In any battle your turret would get downgraded to the highest modification possible. If there high rank players with Mk7 and your rank only allows Mk5 (but you have Mk7 purchased), then you will play with Mk7.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

8 hours ago, BouDy said:

Also, how is the current balance fair?

This idea stops people from using m3s at low ranks, which means obligating them to buy any modification suitable for their rank, but if they want to play with smoky m3s , they are not obligated to buy previous modifications, They just have to wait and reach marshal so they can equip it agin for free with the same micro-upgrades and alterations.

After the Modifications update, modifcations prices has become cheaper so you don't have to save a lot of crystals like before..

The balance has become a mess bro, and there isn't a lot of solutions to eliminate this mess, with this idea you won't lose anything.

Ex: A Major had freeze m3 and isida m3, he upgraded both of them to 10/20 and he bought an alteration of freeze

After the update he won't be able to equip his freeze and isida m3 unless he reaches the rank where freeze and isida m3 unlock ( Marshal )

When he reaches marshal , he will be able to play with freeze and isida m3 with the same micro-upgrades and alterations.What if he wants to play with freeze Before Marshal ?

He will have to buy a previous modification suitable for major ( it'll be cheap for him and don't forget that the majority of people who made their turrets m3s at these small ranks are buyers so they can buy again and again to buy a  previous modification )

That will be same for all ranks  ( except Marshal to legend because they already have m3s and m4s ) a player cannot equip a turret modification before its unlockable rank so that makes it fair for all players in the current ranks. ( especially NON BUYERS )

Like I said, this update should never have happened. This will be unfair for players between brigadier and General as they are powerless against marshals and higher ranked players. 

 

I have already said that marshal is too much of a requirement to have m3s because it is and should be brought down to LT General.

 

But then again you are higher than marshal, so it wouldn't affect you. You would get the benefit of facing weak enemies more often, that's the sole purpose of of this idea, so you can have that benefit and you of all people complain how unfair it is, but don't realise how much more unfair it'll be.

 

I really thought you were a reasonable player, but you just proved me wrong.

[BouDy 110]

1 minute ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Like I said, this update should never have happened. This will be unfair for players between brigadier and General as they are powerless against marshals and higher ranked players. 

 

I have already said that marshal is too much of a requirement to have m3s because it is and should be brought down to LT General.

 

But then again you are higher than marshal, so it wouldn't affect you. You would get the benefit of facing weak enemies more often, that's the sole purpose of of this idea, so you can have that benefit and you of all people complain how unfair it is, but don't realise how much more unfair it'll be.

 

I really thought you were a reasonable player, but you just proved me wrong.

I just wanted to think for an idea to solve instantly the problem of having m4 at Lieutenants. This is a big serious problem - Devs said that the problem will solve itself, but I didn't think that some players might be inactive, because of studies and work etc.. So the problem will be available for a very long time which is not good at all.

So I tried to think about an idea , but actually there isn't any solution in my mind apart from this. I suggested to give a compensation before that but compensations always harm the economy of the game. But better keep the problem as it is and give it time to solve itself. May be yes, doing something might make the problem bigger than how it is right now.

I never thought about the problem of Lieutenant Generals vs Marshals that might happen because of my idea ( I kept thinking about m4 and 9900 GS at First Lieutenant ) - but remember, it won't be big because Lieutenant Generals should have mk6 at that rank so mk6 vs mk7 ( there is no big difference between both of these marks ). But it would be a huge problem if it became mk6 vs mk8 ...... Developers should be careful while making balance updates - because also other balance problems may happen like this.

Anyway, about the problem in small ranks, keeping the problem solving itself is a solution - But a solution very slow with a small effect. Just let developers take the good decision...

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

44 minutes ago, BouDy said:

I just wanted to think for an idea to solve instantly the problem of having m4 at Lieutenants. This is a big serious problem - Devs said that the problem will solve itself, but I didn't think that some players might be inactive, because of studies and work etc.. So the problem will be available for a very long time which is not good at all.

So I tried to think about an idea , but actually there isn't any solution in my mind apart from this. I suggested to give a compensation before that but compensations always harm the economy of the game. But better keep the problem as it is and give it time to solve itself. May be yes, doing something might make the problem bigger than how it is right now.

I never thought about the problem of Lieutenant Generals vs Marshals that might happen because of my idea ( I kept thinking about m4 and 9900 GS at First Lieutenant ) - but remember, it won't be big because Lieutenant Generals should have mk6 at that rank so mk6 vs mk7 ( there is no big difference between both of these marks ). But it would be a huge problem if it became mk6 vs mk8 ...... Developers should be careful while making balance updates - because also other balance problems may happen like this.

Anyway, about the problem in small ranks, keeping the problem solving itself is a solution - But a solution very slow with a small effect. Just let developers take the good decision...

HHHHH, I'll take back what I said about you.

 

Yes, seeing m4s at WO ranks is unreal and unfair. But yes they did botch the conversion. But yes again, it was a botch from the moment it was suggested.

 

This goes back to TO listening to those that constantly whine about the game being P2W and those that suggest ridiculous ideas in how to fix a problem rather than those that have a really good solution to a problem.

[123tim456back 195]

A better suggestion would just to change mk7.4, mk7.8 etc to mk6.10 and either compensate for MUs, accounting for sales, or lock the usage at mk6.10 and when the first kit of that equipment unlocks, they get their mk7.8 back.  

 

Same thing with mk6.  Make it mk5.10 or something.  

[Dhikr 132]

14 minutes ago, 123tim456back said:

A better suggestion would just to change mk7.4, mk7.8 etc to mk6.10 and either compensate for MUs, accounting for sales, or lock the usage at mk6.10 and when the first kit of that equipment unlocks, they get their mk7.8 back.  

 

Same thing with mk6.  Make it mk5.10 or something.  

It's too late for any kind of reversal, unless they compensate with crystals, which isn't going to happen.

[BouDy 110]

3 hours ago, 123tim456back said:

A better suggestion would just to change mk7.4, mk7.8 etc to mk6.10 and either compensate for MUs, accounting for sales, or lock the usage at mk6.10 and when the first kit of that equipment unlocks, they get their mk7.8 back.  

 

Same thing with mk6.  Make it mk5.10 or something.  

I suggested a compensation, but they declined that idea because they don't want to make the problem they made in 2012 ( they gave compensations to everybody and they could not give high rewards for the rest of the year ).

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

7 hours ago, 123tim456back said:

A better suggestion would just to change mk7.4, mk7.8 etc to mk6.10 and either compensate for MUs, accounting for sales, or lock the usage at mk6.10 and when the first kit of that equipment unlocks, they get their mk7.8 back.  

 

Same thing with mk6.  Make it mk5.10 or something.  

But the best suggestion would be to never have implemented the whole modification update in the first place.

[The-Kill-Switch 96]

On 1/31/2020 at 8:09 AM, BouDy said:

The game cares about the balance, that's why they do  balance changes and that's why they released Modifications Update,

But Modifications update had a big Advantage and A BIG disadvantage:

Big Advantages : The game will be more balanced because modifications are so close from each others ( then the difference between each player's power is not high like before )

Big Disadvantage : Buyers got m3 at low ranks and some of them made their equipement already m4 with 9900 GS!

i havnt seen any magnum nerfs or alteration nerfs for the right alterations. i do understand what you are saying above. this upgrade thing is important, but it doesnt matter when you can have what gear when some gear is still just overpowered ooverall. i think other balance changes must be implemented before full focus on this. i know alot of people who have had the fun stripped away from the game with certain alterations and magnum, just to name a few things. 

[Thiedes 1,106]

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