Why to never ever play this game

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On 2/6/2020 at 5:53 AM, DieselPlatinum said:

No, I thought that if I used my hunter rather than go Viking, I would be terminated, because my hunter was m2 ( probably had 6 or 7 MUes in it at the time) and my Viking was m3 ( 3 or 4 MUes at the time). And last I checked, it was against the rules to use weaker equipment.

 

Even though the power difference was insignificant and I did not want to chance it.

 

On 2/6/2020 at 7:48 AM, Maf said:

That's not how that rule is enforced. First of all, I'm not sure if they enforce it at all anymore, especially in MM battles. But even if they do, it's only for large modification differences, like having a full M3 garage and using your only M0/M1 combo. So there's absolutely no issue with using equipment a couple Mk modifications lower than the best thing you own.

What in the actual hell? You could get banned for using equipment with lower power than your max? Guess you gotta throw more money in to get through the 7 upgrades the game forces you to go through at high rank if you want to use it at all. This kind of ridiculous crap is pushed out on a constant basis. RIP anyone who actually got banned for any period of time because of something this stupid.

You can equip and purchase equipment that is inferior to some of your other equipment, and to do the most lazy screw-over they could, they put a rule in that makes you susceptible to getting your account terminated, instead of making sure that you cannot, say, equip any equipment that is lower power than some other equipment you have, automatically equipping equipment that has the biggest full upgrade in your garage on purchase. Nah, just let people get banned because that's our best way of "fixing" mach-making. Seriously, who came up with this?

I am not suggesting to change this rule, for any staff members out there looking at this and thinking it's in the wrong section, no; by all means, make this game the most scammy thing in the world. This is a warning, to any unsuspecting people out there joining this game. Most people don't read EULAs and whatnot, and when they stuff this kind of garbage in and shove it under the rug whenever convenient, this is what you get.

And for the record yeah, I haven't been on the game myself in a long while, and I have no point to do so. Balance is so wrecked and economically viable options are much expensive overall to a point where everything is stacked against you unless you pay. This game deserves all the backlash it gets and then some.

[wolverine848 13,097]

52 minutes ago, DeathIsImminent said:

From: 

https://en.tankiforum.com/topic/384315-unpopular-opinion-if-youre-using-a-hull-for-its-overdrive-you-shouldnt-be-using-that-hull/?_fromLogin=1
 

What in the actual hell? You could get banned for using equipment with lower power than your max? Guess you gotta throw more money in to get through the 7 upgrades the game forces you to go through at high rank if you want to use it at all. This kind of ridiculous crap is pushed out on a constant basis. RIP anyone who actually got banned for any period of time because of something this stupid.

You can equip and purchase equipment that is inferior to some of your other equipment, and to do the most lazy screw-over they could, they put a rule in that makes you susceptible to getting your account terminated, instead of making sure that you cannot, say, equip any equipment that is lower power than some other equipment you have, automatically equipping equipment that has the biggest full upgrade in your garage on purchase. Nah, just let people get banned because that's our best way of "fixing" mach-making. Seriously, who came up with this?

I am not suggesting to change this rule, for any staff members out there looking at this and thinking it's in the wrong section, no; by all means, make this game the most scammy thing in the world. This is a warning, to any unsuspecting people out there joining this game. Most people don't read EULAs and whatnot, and when they stuff this kind of garbage in and shove it under the rug whenever convenient, this is what you get.

And for the record yeah, I haven't been on the game myself in a long while, and I have no point to do so. Balance is so wrecked and economically viable options are much expensive overall to a point where everything is stacked against you unless you pay. This game deserves all the backlash it gets and then some.

Did you even read the explanation MAF gave?

Just don't equip mk1 or mk2 items when you have mk6 or mk7 items in your garage.  

[Potdindy 866]

Just now, wolverine848 said:

Did you even read the explanation MAF gave?

Just don't equip mk1 or mk2 items when you have mk6 or mk7 items in your garage.  

darnit....I literally had the exact same response  word for word almost.

Reading Maf's response will explain Mafs response

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

You didn't know about that rules? I feel like it's been around forever.

 

Anyway here it is.

 

2.1.5. Sabotage — Any acts or omissions aimed at creating obstructions for the team where the User is a member, including in CTF, TDM and CP modes, fighting against the team of which you are a member (intentional selection of weak equipment, frequent pauses, inactivity or intentional failure to comply with map’s or game mode’s requirements, imitation of issues with internet connection), damaging/destroying an ally’s tank, fighting in the interest of the opponent’s team (conspiracy);

I don't mind it, I just wished the "intentional selection of weak equipment" part was specified in more detail. Like where's that line that crosses over to violation boundary?

[wolverine848 13,097]

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Like where's that line that crosses over to violation boundary?

What is "common sense?" for 500 Alex    

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

What is "common sense?" for 500 Alex    

Common sense is basic knowledge. I don't know what the 500 Alex is or how it relates to this topic. 

Also for a clearer understanding of what I said in quote:

 

For a player that had m3 3/20 Viking and m2 9/10 hunter at the time. Would I get terminated if I used my hunter for that battle or would I still be fine?

[wolverine848 13,097]

52 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Common sense is basic knowledge. I don't know what the 500 Alex is or how it relates to this topic. 

Also for a clearer understanding of what I said in quote:

 

For a player that had m3 3/20 Viking and m2 9/10 hunter at the time. Would I get terminated if I used my hunter for that battle or would I still be fine?

Alex is Alex Trebek, host of the game show Jeopardy - where contestants must phrase their responses in the form of questions.

But really - if you apply common sense - is m2.9 very much inferior to m3.3 ?  Off by... 0.4...

I think we can all agree that 0.4 is a small number.  So - there is your "basic knowledge".

[Maf 32,300]

 

43 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

For a player that had m3 3/20 Viking and m2 9/10 hunter at the time. Would I get terminated if I used my hunter for that battle or would I still be fine?

Obviously not, especially if you were playing properly. If it were a simple case of not being allowed to use equipment X grades lower than your best owned item, then the punishment system could just be automatic. Or better yet, the system wouldn't let you equip or join with lower grade equipment in the first place.

Battle mods assess the whole situation before deciding that a punishment is justified, so there will never be an instant ban simply based on the equipment you are using. I myself sometimes changed to Mammoth Isida M0 for fun in normal MM battles (back when I still had that combo), but only did so when I was in first place and our team was winning by a large margin, meaning that my actions couldn't cause my team to lose. I'm sure of a battle mod were to see me, they would know that a ban isn't necessary.

[DeathIsImminent 153]

It doesn't matter if it's left up to the mods' interpretation, in fact that that may even be worse depending on the person. The fact that it's a rule to begin with and it isn't made clear of where the line is drawn, only a vague warning.

If you choose to play with lower upgraded equipment "just for fun" that defines intention of you using it. Doesn't matter if you didn't want to cause any issue in battle, it's all left to interpretation as the rule is unclear. Even if it was, the very fact that such a thing is part of the rules (last time I read them, the lower upgrade equipment usage part was not in there) is a clear indicator of developers having zero care about balance and more about forcing the player to keep up with their intention for the game rather than trying to integrate it so it becomes second nature to the player. You know, sort of what game design is all about? But of course that doesn't make enough money, does it? The game has to be "balanced" with aggressive microtransactions in mind.

3 hours ago, Maf said:

 

Obviously not, especially if you were playing properly. If it were a simple case of not being allowed to use equipment X grades lower than your best owned item, then the punishment system could just be automatic. Or better yet, the system wouldn't let you equip or join with lower grade equipment in the first place.

Battle mods assess the whole situation before deciding that a punishment is justified, so there will never be an instant ban simply based on the equipment you are using. I myself sometimes changed to Mammoth Isida M0 for fun in normal MM battles (back when I still had that combo), but only did so when I was in first place and our team was winning by a large margin, meaning that my actions couldn't cause my team to lose. I'm sure of a battle mod were to see me, they would know that a ban isn't necessary.

By the very nature of the rule as it stands, you yourself will have broken it and admitted to it in this post. I don't expect any repercussions for you, but since there is no clarification, what you did could be interpreted as intentional sabotague to your team regardless. Which is precisely why this rule is incredibly dumb. No need to sugar coat it, it's just a dumb-founded rule.

9 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Did you even read the explanation MAF gave?

Just don't equip mk1 or mk2 items when you have mk6 or mk7 items in your garage.  

I did, else I wouldn't be writing about it here. If you can only afford to buy the Mk1/Mk2, since now you are forced to buy those upgrades before you can get a higher upgrade, if you can't afford any higher upgrade and just want to try out a weapon, even if it's weak, it could be considered sabotague. And "common sense" is a moot point when it comes to ridiculous crap like this. Nonsensical rules can be made up on the go to meet a certain intention, which could lead to a bunch of unsuspecting players getting banned while having no clue as to why that happened. And by the time they would have realised it, it would have already been too late.

Edited February 12, 2020 by DeathIsImminent

[Maf 32,300]

59 minutes ago, DeathIsImminent said:

what you did could be interpreted as intentional sabotague to your team regardless

Out of context - yes. But that's exactly the reason why battle mods go through such extensive training and background checks, and the reason why game violation reports have so many strict requirements. Because if a battle mod saw me in that battle, they would check the score, check tab, and see that I am in no way a liability to my team.

While technically it does break the rules, but once again - battle mods are trained to correctly evaluate whether a player is unskilled, just messing around without harm, or actively trying to sabotage the team. As far as I know, actual false punishments are virtually non-existent.

Anyway, I'm not really qualified to talk about this subject, so I'll get someone from the battle mod team to clear things up here.

[Yele 3,982]

In my opinion Maf has explained the rule very well. In fact, we monitor many things besides the equipment, because intentional use of weak weapons is usually supported be being in last place in the score table and the presence of much stronger weapons in the garage. If a player has 1000 hours played with Thunder Mk7 and suddenly changes it to Shaft Mk0 — he will probably be punished, but this must be confirmed by the battle statistics.

The rule does not oblige you to buy anything, but to use the best equipment you have to contribute to winning the battle.

[AudimasLTU 62]

3 hours ago, DeathIsImminent said:

It doesn't matter if it's left up to the mods' interpretation, in fact that that may even be worse depending on the person. The fact that it's a rule to begin with and it isn't made clear of where the line is drawn, only a vague warning.

If you choose to play with lower upgraded equipment "just for fun" that defines intention of you using it. Doesn't matter if you didn't want to cause any issue in battle, it's all left to interpretation as the rule is unclear. Even if it was, the very fact that such a thing is part of the rules (last time I read them, the lower upgrade equipment usage part was not in there) is a clear indicator of developers having zero care about balance and more about forcing the player to keep up with their intention for the game rather than trying to integrate it so it becomes second nature to the player. You know, sort of what game design is all about? But of course that doesn't make enough money, does it? The game has to be "balanced" with aggressive microtransactions in mind.

By the very nature of the rule as it stands, you yourself will have broken it and admitted to it in this post. I don't expect any repercussions for you, but since there is no clarification, what you did could be interpreted as intentional sabotague to your team regardless. Which is precisely why this rule is incredibly dumb. No need to sugar coat it, it's just a dumb-founded rule.

I did, else I wouldn't be writing about it here. If you can only afford to buy the Mk1/Mk2, since now you are forced to buy those upgrades before you can get a higher upgrade, if you can't afford any higher upgrade and just want to try out a weapon, even if it's weak, it could be considered sabotague. And "common sense" is a moot point when it comes to ridiculous crap like this. Nonsensical rules can be made up on the go to meet a certain intention, which could lead to a bunch of unsuspecting players getting banned while having no clue as to why that happened. And by the time they would have realised it, it would have already been too late.

Well if that ever happens, they can always email tech support at help@tankionline.com

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 hours ago, DeathIsImminent said:

If you can only afford to buy the Mk1/Mk2, since now you are forced to buy those upgrades before you can get a higher upgrade, if you can't afford any higher upgrade and just want to try out a weapon, even if it's weak,

You could...

- wait until you can buy the next mk-version

- try it out in Pro-battles for a while where the impact will be less as it does not involve contests, missions or Stars

- using 1 low item in combination with other good items for a little bit will not get you banned.  I  end up on teams with players not equipping any modules and nothing happens to them.

[Potdindy 866]

Essentiall what they don't want is a player knowingly choosing bad equipment, maybe not caring how he does in battle, and then getting the rest of the team wrecked as they play down one person. Knowing MM, the battle would probably already be 6v8 so then essentially it would be 5v8. Its just a game, but ppl who get slaughtered because their teammates are multing with bad equipment, ill be less likely to stick around for the long haul

Edited February 12, 2020 by Potdindy

[Guest]

Look I don't like tanki anymore but this is blowing something out of proportion.

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11 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

 

- using 1 low item in combination with other good items for a little bit will not get you banned.  I  end up on teams with players not equipping any modules and nothing happens to them.

Yeah, this is a MAJOR problem.  I'm playing with 7k GS and I still have 1k GS players on my team doing absolutely nothing.  Usually, half of my team is at 4-5k...

[Guest]

Nope, you guys have to be joking. The original poster is 100% correct and I commend him for posting. What kind of game forces you to have a certain level of equipment to play a regular match? What happened to the old Tanki, where you could enter a normal match and use whatever the hell you want, and not be threatened or punished for using it? I’ll tell you what happened, the devs got greedy and planned how to exploit and milk this game of as much money as possible. At this point, I would rather have Tanki turn into some kind of MOBA where everyone has equal stats than watch this endless crap the devs are spewing. But then again, I don’t even play Tanki anymore, I’m just left with the nostalgic memories of the good old days when the devs weren’t trying to actively destroy their own game.

[Maf 32,300]

1 hour ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

What happened to the old Tanki, where you could enter a normal match and use whatever the hell you want, and not be threatened or punished for using it?

The rule for sabotage was always present, and enforcement of it used to be a lot more severe. Read the replies again — you will NOT be punished for using weak equipment if your intention isn't to explicitly sabotage your team. That's besides the fact that the chance of you being reported by teammates AND a battle mod coming to check the report is extremely low.

[Maf 32,300]

Relevant answers have already been given, so there's no point continuing this discussion. If you have any more questions about battle moderation or gameplay violations, please use the topic Ask a Battle Mod.

Closed.