This is the reason why online tanki became a P2W game and the community is getting smaller and smaller.

[Potdindy 866]

2 minutes ago, Flaw said:

You do not understand, do you?  i am talking about buyers are able  to buy high level kits and abuse it. it is not available to non-buyers  because tanki is stupid enough to let buyers buy it but non-buyers to  not allowed it to buy  with crystals

I dont....spending money gives an advantage of course, but the f2p economy is very generous. I have several f2p ppl in my discord who have good accounts. The new mk update has actually helped f2p ppl out by keeping anyone from having equipment too far above their competition

[flaw03 25]

1 minute ago, Potdindy said:

I dont....spending money gives an advantage of course, but the f2p economy is very generous. I have several f2p ppl in my discord who have good accounts. The new mk update has actually helped f2p ppl out by keeping anyone from having equipment too far above their competition

what do you mean by f2p

[flaw03 25]

7 hours ago, Ethiaa said:

I think the continual barrage of forum topics like this don't do anything to help grow a community. If you are just starting out in TO then seeing this kind of stuff all the time isn't going to be a big draw. Sad times.

Man, im trying to give feeback to make the game better not worst. Soon, no one will give feeback  and their player cont of people playing has decreased over the past years of playing

[flaw03 25]

1 minute ago, Potdindy said:

I got flow in a container...I get those for free every week for playing the game

what about the paint " mint" u have to have 3k tankions  to buy the paint

[Potdindy 866]

1 minute ago, Flaw said:

what about the paint " mint" u have to have 3k tankions  to buy the paint

container...we can do this all day if you want. Dont ever buy paints...its a waste of crystals.

I buy battle pass, mainly so i can get batteries, and sometimes premium bc it is cheap

Edited February 24, 2020 by Potdindy

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, Benefactor said:

I thought the main reason people quit is because they've gone off to study, or started a family, or got a job/received a promotion - all  and things that require undivided attention and financial resources. Through the years I've seen complaints about the changes and yet they still remained in the game. The game has to evolve, and each time it probably happened sooner than we wanted it to but it was bound to happen eventually. However, combine this with the fact that they do not do ads (either outgoing or incoming) makes the game dependent on its userbase for income. 

The game is not P2W. Skill is still involved. One could have an entire M4 garage and still not crack the top half of the scoreboard in an all-Legends battle. *cough cough* 

A lot of ppl left because a number of changes were implemented poorly.  MM still has not been fixed - many issues with that.

As for m4 garage... sure.  By that time most players have comparable garages due to time in the game.

But that's not where the disconnect is.  it's at the low-to-mid levels where a buyer can quickly ramp up the equipment through all the avaiable kits and drones.

Game needs buyers for sure - but that area can be tweaked some more - by leaning more on exclusives such as non-performance buffs - skins and shot-colors for example.

[Potdindy 866]

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

Game needs buyers for sure - but that area can be tweaked some more - by leaning more on exclusives such as non-performance buffs - skins and shot-colors for example.

This sentence is great. I am glad they are monetizing skins....that new vulcan is $99, which is equal to like 20 people buying a week of premium, and doesnt change the game. Monetize skins and other cosmetics, so players with excess funds can make their account look cool, while f2p (free to play) ppl arent put too far behind. Right now, I think the only thing that f2p ppl dont have a lot of is batteries. Drugs are very easy to get, and I am actually liking the new mk system, once I realized that buying kits lets ppl skip all those levels

[flaw03 25]

ok, these comments i am seeing "how would devs make money"?. No dobut, tanki is a fantastic well-built  game  but p2w introduced, i got annoyed . Before, re-balance was introduced in December 2012, the game wasnt p2w. . Gold boxes were dropped and were worth 100 crystals  and dropped regularly, without any special events,   and hulls and  guns were affordable at a good price, the game was enjoyable and no one complained.  However after this re-balance , i started to see that contests were tankions, you had to buy it to have a powerful kit, which  in 2010 everyone were available to buy it. This game is not fair now, you have to buy to get the powerful kits and hornets and guns.   

I saw your comments about money, if they are not taking players feeback, obviously players will leave and loss in income. use your common.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Flaw
money

[flaw03 25]

On 2/23/2020 at 11:20 AM, Maf said:

25 minutes ago, Flaw said:

18 hours ago, sensei_tanker said:

The game is more generous than ever... it's legit handing out free crystals for all players because of such a high crystal-earning rate for all players. If you can't manage your crystals today, you wouldn't have made it back 5 years ago.

 

On 2/23/2020 at 3:43 PM, CabbageRoll said:

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

 

 

30 minutes ago, Flaw said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Benefactor said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

 

 

7 hours ago, Ethiaa said:

 

 

9 hours ago, Given said:

 

 

16 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

 

 

16 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

 

 

 

17 hours ago, Potdindy said:

 

 

Here all your answers above ^^^^^

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

I think the only thing that f2p ppl dont have a lot of is batteries.

Agreed.

It's not just the cost of buying and MU-ing the drones.  It's the batteries.  My Alt account has trooper drone - but - can't use it all the time as I will run out of batteries.

This is where P2W rears it's head, as the buyers are less concerned about running out of batteries.  And drones can be game-changers.

[Potdindy 866]

3 minutes ago, Flaw said:

ok, these comments i am seeing "how would devs make money"?. No dobut, tanki is a fantastic well-built  game  but p2w introduced, i got annoyed . Before, re-balance was introduced in December 2012, the game wasnt p2w. . Gold boxes were dropped and were worth 100 crystals  and dropped regularly, without any special events,   and hulls and  guns were affordable at a good price, the game was enjoyable and no one complained.  However after this re-balance , i started to see that contests were tankions, you had to buy it to have a powerful kit, which  in 2010 everyone were available to buy it. This game is not fair now, you have to buy to get the powerful kits and hornets and guns.   

Bruh....ugh. You have a k/d of 4 and m3's at Lieutenant Colonol (2 red stars)...I think you are doing fine. If you are f2p, you are an example of how generous tanki is, and how great free to play players have it in tanki

[flaw03 25]

1 minute ago, Potdindy said:

Bruh....ugh. You have a k/d of 4 and m3's at Lieutenant Colonol (2 red stars)...I think you are doing fine. If you are f2p, you are an example of how generous tanki is, and how great free to play players have it in tanki

Bruh, i feel bad for people who are not getting a voice, i searched it up and no one... did anything, a mod just reply and ended the topic

Edited February 24, 2020 by Flaw

[flaw03 25]

3 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

Bruh....ugh. You have a k/d of 4 and m3's at Lieutenant Colonol (2 red stars)...I think you are doing fine. If you are f2p, you are an example of how generous tanki is, and how great free to play players have it in tanki

Search my other accounts(iii_dopee_iii, Link_1119) i played so hard  and i realise buyers are so powerful

[Potdindy 866]

2 minutes ago, Flaw said:

Search my other accounts(iii_dopee_iii, Link_1119) i played so hard  and i realise buyers are so powerful

I'm not here to criticise your other accounts but compare your flaw account to your Link one. Im assuming your link is much older than flaw? It has way worse equipment than flaw does because tanki was a lot harder on everyone back then...now your account is really good. Maybe you spent money, idk but flaw is a really good account. Things are so much better for f2p ppl now than they were years ago

[Potdindy 866]

13 minutes ago, Flaw said:

Bruh, i feel bad for people who are not getting a voice, i searched it up and no one... did anything, a mod just reply and ended the topic

This is a very good goal. Make sure you get things right, when you do that. Put together a proposal with an accurate view of f2p position and then put it forward. I'd 100% support that

[flaw03 25]

2 minutes ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

The devs are not generous to F2P players. That is an illusion. They say “here’s all this cool stuff you will unlock with the battle pass”. Turns out you have to grind a ton to unlock it. Seems like in recent years all the so-called generosity towards players who don’t buy crystals/tankoins is actually hidden behind hundreds of hours of grinding. It’s pretty obvious actually.

 

The thing that really annoys me is how the devs are desperately trying to copy other games like Fortnite despite this making most players angrier and more likely to quit, because you can’t just copy ideas from a battle royale game and expect it to work in Tanki. That’s like replacing a car’s engine with that of a boat and expecting the car to work properly.

At least someone agrees with me 

[flaw03 25]

24 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

I'm not here to criticise your other accounts but compare your flaw account to your Link one. Im assuming your link is much older than flaw? It has way worse equipment than flaw does because tanki was a lot harder on everyone back then...now your account is really good. Maybe you spent money, idk but flaw is a really good account. Things are so much better for f2p ppl now than they were years ago

yes i spent money, and now i realise i am stupid for buying and wasted my money.

Link  was my fun account to do xp/bp, and never really used as my main. but then u see, III_dope_III i have grind so  much( look how many gold boxes i have catched)

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Flaw
sorry mods

[flaw03 25]

14 minutes ago, Potdindy said:

This is a very good goal. Make sure you get things right, when you do that. Put together a proposal with an accurate view of f2p position and then put it forward. I'd 100% support that

What do you mean by putting things together, i  have but people just disagree because of these mods just trying to persuade them 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

43 minutes ago, Flaw said:

1) Ok then, tell me why tanki is adding powerful kits and lets buyers abuse it. Surely,they  can add kits available for non-buyers to buy with crystals. 

2) They can make money  both ways. Ok, let me give you an example "fornite".  fornite has to pay more money  to devs, even though it doesnt give  a significant advantage; they add skins, which gives no advantage   at all to buyers and non-buyers

1) this already exists. At least in HTML5. The crystals kits can be found in the shop.

2) you really don't know how economy works do you? Not everyone gets paid the same. Comparing tanki to fortnite is like comparing Bill gates to a homeless man. Fortnite is Bill gates while tanki is the homeless man. Homeless man gets like maybe 4 cents a month while Bill gates gets like maybe $4000 an hour (Idk how much he earns exactly but it's certainly a lot more than the homeless man). Fortnite is a large corporation while tanki is a very small company. It's also not a fair comparison because you're comparing a new game (fortnite) to an old game (tanki).

14 minutes ago, Flaw said:

Search my other accounts(iii_dopee_iii, Link_1119) i played so hard  and i realise buyers are so powerful

Ever heard of life? It's a like a huge game, but it's really P2W.

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 minutes ago, Flaw said:

but people just disagree because of these mods just trying to persuade them

What?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

 

Ever heard of life? It's a like a huge game, but it's really P2W.

 

[flaw03 25]

21 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) this already exists. At least in HTML5. The crystals kits can be found in the shop.

2) you really don't know how economy works do you? Not everyone gets paid the same. Comparing tanki to fortnite is like comparing Bill gates to a homeless man. Fortnite is Bill gates while tanki is the homeless man. Homeless man gets like maybe 4 cents a month while Bill gates gets like maybe $4000 an hour (Idk how much he earns exactly but it's certainly a lot more than the homeless man). Fortnite is a large corporation while tanki is a very small company. It's also not a fair comparison because you're comparing a new game (fortnite) to an old game (tanki).

Ever heard of life? It's a like a huge game, but it's really P2W.

1) Crystals cost money, and so do kits do,

2) Ok first, bill gates doesn't own a fps game, so i dont know why are you comparing to him.  I mean fornite is a fps game and so is tanki so fornite is not a p2w because  they add skins which doesnt give an advantage, whereas tanki  adds kits which are powerful but not available  to non-buyers 

Get your facts right before you talk, the information is right in front of you though you compare it to bill gates, and tanki  does make alot (10k-20k a day maybe)

 

[flaw03 25]

Alright let me post all my points all together tomorrow , and  then you will know this game is p2w.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, Flaw said:

Alright let me post all my points all together tomorrow , and  then you will know this game is p2w.

Keep it simple and to the point.  Or you will have many TLDR responses.

 

FYI - it's always been P2W.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

True, since it’s a free to play game. But it was never this P2W as it is now, which is destroying the game. That’s literally the whole point of this thread.

I beg to differ. 

When I started in 2015 I was getting wrecked by buyers who had a ton of supplies.  I had little to none.

I also ran up against buyers with preadtor Kit at a low rank - they easily dominated.

Buyers have been around for years.

 

What (for me) is harming the game is things like MatchMaker.  Maybe it was needed - but they have done an absolutely awful job of implementing it.