Augments for turrets, container changes, etc.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

I don't think the devs play the game at all... if you're gonna power-level, you definitely won't be using XP/BP modes to do so. 

[N0O13 6]

Lol too late, its unlikely that we even get a response let alone removing the update 

 )) .  Trying wont even work

  Players : remove this update

  Tanki devs ; meh... 36 pages doesnt matter

[featwasath 267]

We're all waiting till you (developer) roll back this update.

DO IT, for the sake of game balance & player base

[jjg_the_dark 455]

19 hours ago, DocWho6 said:

Agree and if I get one I really dislike I just pay the 999 and change it.

Me too. Unfortunately, I get stuck in the Weekly one since I play only for fun with a Titan because I like to defend more than be aggressive and go after flag and such.  But I really do not care much as long as I can do the daily missions and get a few crystals so I can get some supplies because the way the game is made now, you do not survive long without supplies. Especially that you cannot get them any more in the garage.  This game is slowly becoming from Pay to Win to Pay to Play which it will be the death of it since only a fool would pay real money for a game that has so many "an error has occurred".  But hey the answer is: LET's HAVE ANOTHER SALE & DISCOUNT WEEK!  

[Benefactor 6,888]

On 5/1/2020 at 7:35 AM, featwasath said:

So, now we've being kicked out of battles due to server restarts in unusual times. What next.? Do we need to pay 2 tankoins to enter each battle.?

What is the matter with you? Don't give them any ideas.

[jjg_the_dark 455]

1 minute ago, Benefactor said:

What is the matter with you? Don't give them any ideas.

Oh, trust me on this! They already have thought of that and it is coming soon! These Tanki decision makers are so dumb that a rock can come up with better ideas!

[Devoid 2,601]

11 minutes ago, jjg_the_dark said:

Oh, trust me on this! They already have thought of that and it is coming soon! These Tanki decision makers are so dumb that a rock can come up with better ideas!

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

[Hanso2670 32]

39 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

No that update just made lots of buyers and players leave which is a lost revenue. I don't see this as a smart move but as a reckless one. If they are so smart as you say then why they didn't think of consequences of this update? Even EA and some other well known game developers don't go to this extent just to milk people.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Hanso2670

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

1 minute ago, At_Shin said:

Would you please assure us that any new hull or turret would be sold for crystals when they've been released?

People here are afraid that Ares will be sold in the shop and not in the garage....

Afraid? I'm sure

[wolverine848 13,097]

59 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people.

Donald Trump is/was a businessman.   Just sayin'....

[Gauss-Hornet 489]

2 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

Would you please assure us that any new hull or turret would be sold for crystals when they've been released?

When they have been released, then most probably they'll be available for crystals, but that doesn't mean they cannot make an early access bundle for that turret/hull one month before its actual release.

[Modesty 79]

1 hour ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

Yea, boost of profits, and loss of players... Interesting

[Joeguy 941]

57 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

I agree with you and think you have analyzed the dev's intent very accurately and succinctly in regards to this last update.

BUT, I believe their logic is off, way off. 

I don't know "whale" mentality, but it seems like there just couldn't be too many people in Tanki's entire payer base willing to buy container after container just to get the augment they want.  True, those that do buy tons of containers get lots of other stuff as well, but can the hope of getting that/those perfect augments  actually increase sales of containers by much...I doubt it...maybe  very small amount at best.

As far as BP/XP players go, what the devs have done is a really poorly conceived idea based in a disconnectedness to the game and a reality rooted in abject greed.  What you say is true,,,the devs think that by applying pressure to the BP/XP crowd they will coerce them into playing MM battles more.  I think they will just drive the BP/XP players away from the game.  I think they will lose more player base in the exodus of BP/XP than they will make up for in BP/XP playing more MM.  The BP/XP crowd was already kind of negative on MM, that's one reason why they thrived in BP/XP.  Take the income earning out of BP/XP and now a large portion of the player base can't keep up with equipment upgrades...they quit the game.  The devs think that doesn't really matter since the BP/XP players weren't contributing to the bottom line anyway, but the player base shrinks even further.  The BP/XP players still probably played some MM battles to generate more income, but many of those players will now be leaving the game.

I really don't know the gaming industry but from what I've witnessed as a consumer, AP/Tanki is far from the only company to take advantage of their player base and take their player base for granted.  That being said, in every business model I do know or have studied, taking care of your customer is of paramount importance.  The customer is king.  The customer is always right.  Most businesses fall all over themselves trying to keep customers and tying to keep their company's reputation in high regard.  This customer/company relationship has gone on since commerce began.  I really doubt that online gaming is any different...they are just behind the curve because the industry is still in it infancy...and Tanki is way behind many of the others that are behind the curve.

 

 

[Gauss-Hornet 489]

Just waiting to see buyers using Sledgehammer Thunders and LCR Railguns in the lower ranks...

[jjg_the_dark 455]

1 hour ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

Sir, I beg to differ! In the course of my professional work as an employee and a consultant to major Fortune 100 companies all over the world, I have met many dumb decision makers that outnumber the intelligent ones! As far as the Tanki developers goes, I am sorry to say that they are the most unintelligent people that I have ever had the unfortunate luck to come across! Besides that fact that as programmers are proven over and over they are not all that they pretend to be, they are even worse as business managers.  I understand wanting to make money.  every business, even non-profit organizations, have a goal to make money because that's the way a business survives.  The key to it, is knowing how to go about making that money. Certainly, not listening to your customers and making decisions that severely impact your number of customers  is not one of them.  You will not deny that the player number has dwindled for over 70000 to under 20000 and based on the comments of most people here this number is going to be reduced even more.  Besides, before pushing people to Matchmaking they need to make sure that Matchmaking works.  The system that the Tanki developers call Matchmaking is a hodge-podge of code so buggy, that makes the game at times unplayable. Let me put it in a way that you will understand:

1. Reducing the time of battles to 7 min is just not working for any skill development or strategy.

2. Dumping players in unbalanced battles that end within mere seconds of entering the game is criminal.

3. Having from a few seconds to a few minutes to get "1st 3 places in a winning team" mission cannot be considered "intelligent" decision by the developers.

5.  Pitting players against players 5 ranks higher is not a fair game.

6. Perhaps profit have been boosted in the short term but I highly doubt it as these moves seems to come out of desperation for money rather than improving the game itself.

In a nutshell, if Tanki wants to make money, then perhaps should listen more to the customers and make it worthwhile to spend money instead of making changes based on a simple speculation that more players will play in a flawed MM game! I guess the "intelligent" developers do not have the common sense to realize that more people play XP/BP (I am not one of them) and Pro battles because they DO NOT like the MM system! (at least not in its present format)

I can write an entire dissertation on what Tanki is doing wrong to squeeze more money out of the little loyal base they have but it is not worth my time.

All I am saying is, compared to other Multiplayer games, Tanki is ranked among the worst as far errors and stability goes.  

So, try as much as you want to explain the dumb ass decisions, they still remain dumb ass decisions!

enough said.

[Blunt-Knife 55]

1 hour ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. The Developers are definitely not as dumb as you think, they had a reason in this update: To make money. By making players purchase containers to get augments, it is more likely that people will spend money on this game, and the game's profits increase. Similarly, by not allowing Battle Funds in XP/BP and other format battles, they are trying to push players to play in Matchmaking battles more, and when old XP/BP players, for example, try to play in Matchmaking, they may want to expand their combo to include other turrets/hulls, and because of this, they may make a purchase to get crystals to micro-upgrade this new combo. All in all, this update was well designed to increase profits, and I am sure there was a sudden boost in profits as a result.

Thanks for admitting that tanki is corrupt and doesn't care much about their players, but rather they care about filling their pockets.

[Blunt-Knife 55]

All these sales during coronavirus....  Shameful how they decide to prey on the pockets of players during these difficult times for many.

[Thomas11239 366]

1 minute ago, Leztah said:

All these sales during coronavirus....  Shameful how they decide to prey on the pockets of players during these difficult times for many.

Many games do this + you don't have to buy

[Blunt-Knife 55]

23 minutes ago, Thomas11239 said:

Many games do this + you don't have to buy

Thats true, im just having a go at TO Devs because they took away crystals from xp/bp xD

 

On a side note though, many games don't try to lure and entice people by removing other aspects of the game so they are kinda forced to buy.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Leztah

[iWillHealYou 220]

I've never seen a business that makes greedy and stupid decisions every now and then, sell their customers the things they Don't Want and take away the things they like and their customer still stick to them

Wait a minute...

[featwasath 267]

3 hours ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

It is actually a generally well-known fact that business owners and managers are some of the most intelligent people. 

Ever heard about Donald Trump.? The orange man 

[Tethorakismeno 56]

1 hour ago, jjg_the_dark said:

Sir, I beg to differ! In the course of my professional work as an employee and a consultant to major Fortune 100 companies all over the world, I have met many dumb decision makers that outnumber the intelligent ones! As far as the Tanki developers goes, I am sorry to say that they are the most unintelligent people that I have ever had the unfortunate luck to come across! Besides that fact that as programmers are proven over and over they are not all that they pretend to be, they are even worse as business managers.  I understand wanting to make money.  every business, even non-profit organizations, have a goal to make money because that's the way a business survives.  The key to it, is knowing how to go about making that money. Certainly, not listening to your customers and making decisions that severely impact your number of customers  is not one of them.  You will not deny that the player number has dwindled for over 70000 to under 20000 and based on the comments of most people here this number is going to be reduced even more.  Besides, before pushing people to Matchmaking they need to make sure that Matchmaking works.  The system that the Tanki developers call Matchmaking is a hodge-podge of code so buggy, that makes the game at times unplayable. Let me put it in a way that you will understand:

1. Reducing the time of battles to 7 min is just not working for any skill development or strategy.

2. Dumping players in unbalanced battles that end within mere seconds of entering the game is criminal.

3. Having from a few seconds to a few minutes to get "1st 3 places in a winning team" mission cannot be considered "intelligent" decision by the developers.

5.  Pitting players against players 5 ranks higher is not a fair game.

6. Perhaps profit have been boosted in the short term but I highly doubt it as these moves seems to come out of desperation for money rather than improving the game itself.

In a nutshell, if Tanki wants to make money, then perhaps should listen more to the customers and make it worthwhile to spend money instead of making changes based on a simple speculation that more players will play in a flawed MM game! I guess the "intelligent" developers do not have the common sense to realize that more people play XP/BP (I am not one of them) and Pro battles because they DO NOT like the MM system! (at least not in its present format)

I can write an entire dissertation on what Tanki is doing wrong to squeeze more money out of the little loyal base they have but it is not worth my time.

All I am saying is, compared to other Multiplayer games, Tanki is ranked among the worst as far errors and stability goes.  

So, try as much as you want to explain the dumb ass decisions, they still remain dumb ass decisions!

enough said.

Couldn't be better described the problems caused by those who put in grave TX. Soon TO will end up at the same grave.

R.I.P. TX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpF2AM0xods

[jjg_the_dark 455]

1 hour ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

The devs aren't stupid. They know exactly what they're doing. Plus, on a side note, I heard Russian people have on average some of the highest IQs in the world.

They are not stupid. They are dumb as a rock and compared to the dumber than a rock buyers, the developers seem to be "geniuses". But the rest of us know better. 

[Blunt-Knife 55]

1 hour ago, Ap3xA1pha said:

The devs aren't stupid. They know exactly what they're doing. Plus, on a side note, I heard Russian people have on average some of the highest IQs in the world.

Not calling the devs stupid, I'm calling them corrupt.

[4MATIC 10]

I was 9999 GS, all maxed out

 

Now 9899

 

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/4MATIC

 

what is missing now?

 

 

$100?

Edited May 2, 2020 by 4MATIC