Augments for turrets, container changes, etc.

[Uh-Oh 99]

2 hours ago, Leztah said:

As one of the mods said, lets see what they say on Friday. If they do not address in the vlog.... well its sad to see that devs do not care about us...

[Mirza7 235]

Buyers:

Me:

 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

On 4/29/2020 at 12:33 PM, Son_Goku said:

LOL. Just because of no more XP/BP, does not mean you should quit. I mean, you can play unformatted XP/BP though, not the same but similar.

[iWillHealYou 220]

16 minutes ago, FrozenRailgun said:

LOL. Just because of no more XP/BP, does not mean you should quit. I mean, you can play unformatted XP/BP though, not the same but similar.

A lot of players love to ruin them (especially the ones who cannot be better at xp/bp). Also it's hard to make everyone remove protections meanwhile new people are joining in between so it's not really easy to bring everyone on the same page. 

Imagine a very intense battle is going on and after all the struggle everyone is finally playing without protections and then just one smoky enters and ruins everything. It really boils my blood.

Edited May 5, 2020 by iWillHealYou

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

On 4/29/2020 at 11:05 AM, Marcus said:

Changes in crystal fund mechanism of PRO battles

 

Quite a while ago, we disabled battle funds in private battles. The time has come to finally solve the problem of unfair battle fund boosting through the use of alternative accounts. We have decided to disable battle funds in clan and format battles. These modes are not for earning crystals but for improving your skills, so we hope that you will support us in this decision.

Funds in regular PRO battles and matchmaking battles will remain unchanged

This is actually a good update. I am seeing what Alternativa is doing. They are trying to encourage more tankers to matchmaking, which is good stuff. For real.

And yeah, XP/BP is still possible, but in unformatted. 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

14 minutes ago, iWillHealYou said:

A lot of players love to ruin them (especially the ones who cannot be better at xp/bp). Also it's hard to make everyone remove protections meanwhile new people are joining in between so it's not really easy to bring everyone on the same page. 

Imagine a very intense battle is going on and after all the struggle everyone is finally playing without protections and then just one smoky enters and ruins everything. It really boils my blood.

Well that's me myself though....

[TaffyTank 1,890]

This XpBp change needs to be reverted or if you want XpBp players in MM....
Have a daily recurring special mission where if you score 500 (or whatever)points in MM you unlock your share of the fund in XpBp battles for that day. If there are players in xpbp battles that haven't unlocked their fund, their share goes to waste and isn't shared amongst everyone else (or this will be exploited).

I would prefer the option of an incentive than a punishment for the majority of honest format players because of the actions of a few mult-using clowns. Fought in plenty of battles where some saddo mult dog would effectively help grow the fund for ages by actually trying, only to suddenly disappear into garage at the command of his master in the opposing team until the dogs team crumbles. Especially in xpbp Poly where every participant is crucial in a tight battle and holding the tunnel is decisive. Only thing was, it tended to even itself out over time, win some lose some cos of these fools.

Knew these plebs would ruin the game one day & Tanki haven't helped with their inablity to tackle them. They've been offered several Ideas on this forum from plenty of smart forumers on how to deal with "boosters", yet they've rejected them all in favour of a shambolic version of matchmaking and a nuke option on XpBp...which is a warning shot to cheaters elsewhere in the game but totally unfair on honest players.

Find a better way to deal with cheats and stop punishing the people that just wanna play the game honestly.

[Mirza7 235]

Augment in wiki shows reloading +20% but patch change log says it was removed. Which is correct ?

[iWillHealYou 220]

3 minutes ago, Mirza7 said:

Augment in wiki shows reloading +20% but patch change log says it was removed. Which is correct ?

It still has reload delay but the shot charge up is like stock, it was higher before. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

19 minutes ago, iWillHealYou said:

It still has reload delay but the shot charge up is like stock, it was higher before. 

So the patch notes are wrong?

"Augment for Railgun «Large caliber rounds»:   Reload time increase removed."

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

45 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

This XpBp change needs to be reverted or if you want XpBp players in MM....
Have a daily recurring special mission where if you score 500 (or whatever)points in MM you unlock your share of the fund in XpBp battles for that day. If there are players in xpbp battles that haven't unlocked their fund, their share goes to waste and isn't shared amongst everyone else (or this will be exploited).

Find a better way to deal with cheats and stop punishing the people that just wanna play the game honestly.

The problem is many Hornet/Wasp Railgun dude(ttes) are using that mode to prevent matchmaking. I saw complaints of "MM takes forever...", that's because there are less tankers. What I am seeing is Alternativa are trying to bring those guys to matchmaking.

An incentive hm.... 

[iWillHealYou 220]

11 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

So the patch notes are wrong?

"Augment for Railgun «Large caliber rounds»:   Reload time increase removed."

Just the person who was updating the info was half awake.

[iWillHealYou 220]

14 minutes ago, FrozenRailgun said:

The problem is many Hornet/Wasp Railgun dude(ttes) are using that mode to prevent matchmaking. I saw complaints of "MM takes forever...", that's because there are less tankers. What I am seeing is Alternativa are trying to bring those guys to matchmaking.

An incentive hm.... 

They're not trying to bring them to MM, they're trying to make them quit.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Just now, iWillHealYou said:

They're not trying to bring them to MM, they're trying to make them quit.

Why do you say that?  Of course they want them in MM - more players means MM will work better.

Whether or not they (xp/bp) players willingly make the transition is another matter...

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

Just thinking.. drone should not be in container? 

[TaffyTank 1,890]

18 minutes ago, FrozenRailgun said:

The problem is many Hornet/Wasp Railgun dude(ttes) are using that mode to prevent matchmaking. I saw complaints of "MM takes forever...", that's because there are less tankers. What I am seeing is Alternativa are trying to bring those guys to matchmaking.

An incentive hm.... 

If they mean MM takes forever to load into battle then that problem is made worse by having so many modes. This reduces the pool of players queuing to join battle on any mode at one time, especially at off-peak times of day. There have been strictly XpBp players in this game for years, why the sudden push to get them in MM?.

And the point of my incentive is simple, to get xpbp players to actually join MM battles to score enough points so they can get back to XpBp, rather than simply quit the game for good, what use is it if they quit?. I've played enough XPbp to know its a different game to MM. If you really want to play XpBp as your main route of progression then this fund nuke is utter garbage, something you will quit over, I can guarantee that.

[jjg_the_dark 455]

14 hours ago, Heptapod said:

Nope, Augments for turrets as well as for hulls can no longer be bought from the Garage. The only way to get them is from containers.

Which mean that you will be getting useless alterations that you do not even use since you will be getting for turrets that you do not even have! Just like the shot effects. Oh, look I got a container after completing a weekly mission and I got the Belgium paint! Now I would be ecstatic if I were Belgian, but I am not! So there goes another useless paint in my garage that will NEVER be used! Boy them developers are so "intelligent"! They cannot even write proper code to check if you have the turret before they give you the  shot effect.  Or at least fix the "en error has occurred" message.  But hey, who cares? Let's have another sale/discount celebration and lets have a contest to design another useless paint!

 

Edit to this post: And just as I was saying, I just got my 1st useless Alteration/Augmentation or whatever stupid thing they will call it next for a turret that I do not have and I have no intention of getting either.  But hey I got Blood Shot for shot effect for my M0 Hammer to go along with my Belgian paint that I will never use!   Now these are the "intelligent" developers that some dumb player here was trying to defend! Tanki Developers = dumb as a rock! 

Edited May 6, 2020 by jjg_the_dark

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

If they mean MM takes forever to load into battle then that problem is made worse by having so many modes. This reduces the pool of players queuing to join battle on any mode at one time, especially at off-peak times of day. There have been strictly XpBp players in this game for years, why the sudden push to get them in MM?.

And the point of my incentive is simple, to get xpbp players to actually join MM battles to score enough points so they can get back to XpBp, rather than simply quit the game for good, what use is it if they quit?. I've played enough XPbp to know its a different game to MM. If you really want to play XpBp as your main route of progression then this fund nuke is utter garbage, something you will quit over, I can guarantee that.

Everythig changes over time - we know by now nothing is sacred in this game.

MM is in trouble with not enough players.  So they need anyone wanting to earn crystals to play MM. 

They can also play xp/bp as well - they just won't earn crystals.  it's their way of contributing to the F2P game.

[TaffyTank 1,890]

20 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Everythig changes over time - we know by now nothing is sacred in this game.

MM is in trouble with not enough players.  So they need anyone wanting to earn crystals to play MM. 

They can also play xp/bp as well - they just won't earn crystals.  it's their way of contributing to the F2P game.

Thing is though, there's plenty of XpBp players that pay or have payed into the game with premium. Poly CP & Sandbox CTF yielded good crystal rewards, so players would buy premium and grind there with x2 premium funds. Pointless buying this premium now.

[wolverine848 13,097]

18 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

Thing is though, there's plenty of XpBp players that pay or have payed into the game with premium. Poly CP & Sandbox CTF yielded good crystal rewards, so players would buy premium and grind there with x2 premium funds. Pointless buying this premium now.

You can play that now for free though - premium no longer needed.

Without more players in MM, it will not work.    Without MM, TO will fold for sure.

Then they will not be able to play xp/bp at all.  They can still play that with their own groups for fun.  It's not being taken away.

[Uh-Oh 99]

This is TO devs..

Edited May 5, 2020 by Uh-Oh

[TaffyTank 1,890]

39 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

You can play that now for free though - premium no longer needed.

Without more players in MM, it will not work.    Without MM, TO will fold for sure.

Then they will not be able to play xp/bp at all.  They can still play that with their own groups for fun.  It's not being taken away.

But you don't get x2 premium funds, renders buying premium pointless for the Xpbp lot. This game needs ways of getting new money from players. One way for a player to progress was to aim to effectively unlock XpBp by getting the xpbp gear and a suitable rank where there are enough battles around to grind in. The grind is made much shorter with Premium(obviously), crucially in a format you enjoy. XpBp premium earnings can then be used to improve your garage until you're guaranteed to be competitive in other formats for a relatively small amount of cash, but still a better-than-nothing amount of cash. Also worth remembering that an Xpbp buyer can unlock their preferred combo as a shop kit at an earlier rank. So 1 kit and premium and you're likely to be set in the game in all formats. Personally, I think this update is counter-productive and costs Tanki money.

As I said earlier, you're more likely to get the XpBp crowd into MM with an incentive. As it currently stands, they'll quit as XpBp is the polar opposite to current MM which is so unbalanced. So no extra players in MM, compared to many if they were encouraged to join 2-3 battles a day with an incentive.

I'll put it this way, Tanki Devs are asking many XpBp players to play this game the complete opposite to what they enjoy. It's a killjoy update.

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

As I said earlier, you're more likely to get the XpBp crowd into MM with an incentive.

You still get x2 funds playing in MM if you buy Premium.

I did not really understand how your incentive worked... what does "unlock your share of funds" mean?  What "share"?

You suggesting they "do some time" in MM and that qualifies them to earn crystals in xp/bp? That won't fly for a couple reasons...

1) gives more income to players (as opposed to current) and Devs never accept those suggestions

2) won't keep xp/bp players around in MM long enough each day to actually make a difference. Milestone reached and... adios muchachos...

Killjoy update?  Welcome to the real world.  We've had a ton of those in MM - why should xp/bp not suffer like everyone else?  Misery loves company...

[iWillHealYou 220]

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Why do you say that?  Of course they want them in MM - more players means MM will work better.

Whether or not they (xp/bp) players willingly make the transition is another matter...

MM and xp/bp are two different worlds, if you just shut down the xp/bp completely than I can guarantee you that most of the players will quit instead of switching to garbage MM, even the players who do daily missions sometimes and switch back to xp/p.

They're just demotivating the players to quit instead of switching, if they really wanted them to switch they had created a battle mode called "xp/bp" in MM instead of creating the useless modes that are hardly played by anyone and just increase the queue time, at least they'd have a continuous stream of players in that mode.

And if they're too desperate to earn money from pro-battle players then they should do something like reserving top/bottom bar of the screen for ads in pro-battle modes and if someone don't like the ads they can buy a "premium pro subscription" for a little money each month. Irritating but win-win situation. 
I don't really understand they think that milking the players is the only way to make money.

Edited May 5, 2020 by iWillHealYou

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 minutes ago, iWillHealYou said:

I don't really understand they think that milking the players is the only way to make money.

Same here.