Efficiency rating dropping like a stone

[Okami 3,041]

2 hours ago, DaringDeer said:

Another way it is gamed is via pro battles.  Imagine a semi-private battle.  The account trying to boost C/E makes no or minimal score but all other players leave before end of battle to give all crystals to this account with very little corresponding experience. 

I've seen really low experience but really high crystals on player profiles, and I've come to the conclusion that that's what people do.

But why does this happen? If you battle for quite a while and leave until the very end, you lose all your crystals, making it a huge waste of time. Maybe the account that gets all the crystals organizes a gold rain?

Edited June 1, 2020 by GrayWolf8733

[wolverine848 13,097]

30 minutes ago, GrayWolf8733 said:

I've seen really low experience but really high crystals on player profiles, and I've come to the conclusion that that's what people do.

But why does this happen? If you battle for quite a while and leave until the very end, you lose all your crystals, making it a huge waste of time. Maybe the account that gets all the crystals organizes a gold rain?

Unless their friends are doing this for them, it's a totally unreliable method.

How often are enough players leaving those battles to make it worth the while?  Almost every players needs to leave since you get funds based on ratio of contribution.  Even just one other player still in the battle means the mult still gets almost nothing as reward.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

its a useless stat. pursing a 9999 GS makes you a slave to any updates alternativa has in mind.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, GrayWolf8733 said:

I've seen really low experience but really high crystals on player profiles, and I've come to the conclusion that that's what people do.

But why does this happen? If you battle for quite a while and leave until the very end, you lose all your crystals, making it a huge waste of time. Maybe the account that gets all the crystals organizes a gold rain?

 

46 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Unless their friends are doing this for them, it's a totally unreliable method.

How often are enough players leaving those battles to make it worth the while?  Almost every players needs to leave since you get funds based on ratio of contribution.  Even just one other player still in the battle means the mult still gets almost nothing as reward.

A few years ago, I used to create arena Cp battles for just my high rank accounts. Make them run at point and shoot each other at point blank range using wasp and thunder and capping the point. Did this for 15-45 minutes a day depending on what I felt like doing. And when I was done, I made one account leave while the other one got all the funds.

Of course I stopped doing this because it was such a chore, not to mention I didn't want my accounts to be terminated.

 

But anyway, this might be what those players are doing to get such a high crystal per experience ratio.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

How do the top players have such a high efficiency rating?

Like this guy for example. Only 20 exp earnt this week but 15,776 crystals?

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Yrap_cool

Are they taking all of the fund from PRO battles (once everyone else leaves before the end)?

None of this is making sense to me because I play an active role in the battle instead of camping all the time, especially in CP.

[von_Cronberg 258]

33 minutes ago, ghost-guns said:

Like this guy for example. Only 20 exp earnt this week but 15,776 crystals?

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Yrap_cool

When I look at that profile, the player apparently uses much Dictator overdrive and Mechanic drone, both of which give battle score and thus crystal rewards without earning experience. Must be fun to meet this guy in battle, where he anxiously avoids to damage enemy tanks.

[DaringDeer 656]

17 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

exploitation do you mean cheating if so use the word cheat if not explain what the word refers to.

By exploitation of the efficiency formula I don't mean cheating necessarily.  I just mean that a player understands the main drivers of the calculation and is taking some action like

• playing only during crystal bonuses
• purposefully earning score (and consequently crystals) without gaining experience (e.g. some drones and dictator overdrive)
• playing in pro battles against mults who will build a crystal fund and give all crystals to you

I would only call the last one cheating if you are using multiple accounts simultaneously.

 

17 hours ago, von_Cronberg said:

@DaringDeer 

I use the opportunity to generally appreciate your enormous statistical efforts around this game. I do not least remember this forum comment of yours, a detailed snapshot of equipment used among active high ranked legends, as most interesting. You should make a regularly updated thread on this, I would find it more readworthy than anything else in this forum ...

Thanks!  I should do that.  It would be interesting to see a history.

[Viking4s 10,791]

1 hour ago, von_Cronberg said:

When I look at that profile, the player apparently uses much Dictator overdrive and Mechanic drone, both of which give battle score and thus crystal rewards without earning experience. Must be fun to meet this guy in battle, where he anxiously avoids to damage enemy tanks.

More like he uses Wasp: hour played 122, experienced earned only 38K.

[cosmic666 1,055]

6 hours ago, ghost-guns said:

How do the top players have such a high efficiency rating?

Like this guy for example. Only 20 exp earnt this week but 15,776 crystals?

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Yrap_cool

Are they taking all of the fund from PRO battles (once everyone else leaves before the end)?

None of this is making sense to me because I play an active role in the battle instead of camping all the time, especially in CP.

just looked at his profile. one word springs to mind CHEAT. these players couldn't get such a high efficiency rating playing normal MM they and others like them exploit the game unfairly to gain a high rating. In fair battles there precious rating would drop like a stone. Are they good players? who knows are they CHEATS in my opinion yes.

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

1 hour ago, cosmic666 said:

just looked at his profile. one word springs to mind CHEAT. these players couldn't get such a high efficiency rating playing normal MM they and others like them exploit the game unfairly to gain a high rating. In fair battles there precious rating would drop like a stone. Are they good players? who knows are they CHEATS in my opinion yes.

Listen, @Maf is at 401st place in efficiency, so I think we should trust him on this one. Unless admins have access to special cheats like the devs?

[Maf 32,300]

3 minutes ago, ILiveOnTheChatBox123 said:

Listen, @Maf is at 401st place in efficiency, so I think we should trust him on this one. Unless admins have access to special cheats like the devs?

I used to be at 340-ish around January, but then stopped playing for a few months and dropped to around 430. Now back up to 401, though I was at 400 just 2 days ago. This is serious business  

[ILiveOnTheChatBox123 936]

1 minute ago, Maf said:

I used to be at 340-ish around January, but then stopped playing for a few months and dropped to around 430. Now back up to 401, though I was at 400 just 2 days ago. This is serious business  

Beating-around-the-bush with the 'special cheats' question.

Maybe if @Maf is so proud of his numbers he must not have any special powers.

[Maf 32,300]

Just now, ILiveOnTheChatBox123 said:

Beating-around-the-bush with the 'special cheats' question.

Maybe if @Maf is so proud of his numbers he must not have any special powers.

No special cheats - I can tell you that much. Even if I had them, what's the point of boosting your number when you yourself will always remember that it's fake and means nothing?

[CyborgPenguin 282]

39 minutes ago, Maf said:

No special cheats - I can tell you that much. Even if I had them, what's the point of boosting your number when you yourself will always remember that it's fake and means nothing?

Spoiler

 

[TaffyTank 1,890]

13 hours ago, ILiveOnTheChatBox123 said:

Listen, @Maf is at 401st place in efficiency, so I think we should trust him on this one. Unless admins have access to special cheats like the devs?

Please check account of Closing as another example of a cheater.https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Closing

How have they got 41k crystals from 1exp last week? These guys are cheats....I don't care about ratings but the fact is people are actually paying money for a high rating and these dudes are cheating them. Should absolutely be clamped down on. They also easily obtain game currency through cheating that you and I have to fight for hours in competitive battles to get. Currency which is used to improve their equipment that they then use against honest players, especially during events.

13 hours ago, Maf said:

No special cheats - I can tell you that much. Even if I had them, what's the point of boosting your number when you yourself will always remember that it's fake and means nothing?

Could say that about all premium players tho. exp/cry ratio is always boosted by premium, especially during x2 funds. If you buy premium you are far more likely to get a higher rating for the exp/cry boost alone, let alone the fact that permanent premium boosts your garage too. Making it more likely you can get OP fad items when they're added to the game. Particularly things like a full MU defender drone which will inevitably boost KD of any decent player.

Only chance for non-premiums is gaming the system by stashing containers, opening during x2 funds and hoping for premium. This involves playing the game bare minimum during normal fund times and no-lifing x2 fund times. A game feature that discourages anyone from playing and encourages cheating is counter-productive. But it does trap buyers into blowing money on maintaining their ego efficiency rating, which keeps the game alive, so I guess that's a good thing. Quite a clever system when you think about it.

Edited June 2, 2020 by TaffyTank

[Maf 32,300]

26 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

How have they got 41k crystals from 1exp last week?

As far as I know, there's quite a few ways to increase that amount (i.e. earn crystals), from things like completing "use supplies" missions, to opening containers. For all we know, he could have opened a few weekly containers and killed 1 guy in a private PRO battle.

49 minutes ago, TaffyTank said:

Could say that about all premium players tho. exp/cry ratio is always boosted by premium, especially during x2 funds. If you buy premium you are far more likely to get a higher rating for the exp/cry boost alone, let alone the fact that permanent premium boosts your garage too. Making it more likely you can get OP fad items when they're added to the game. Particularly things like a full MU defender drone which will inevitably boost KD of any decent player.

I don't think Premium players care much about ratings. Premium helps you progress through ranks, which means you unlock equipment and save up for upgrades faster. This in turn allows you to become stronger and expand the variety of gameplay options available to you (via different drones, turrets, hulls, alts, etc.), which helps make the most out of the experience.

[TaffyTank 1,890]

36 minutes ago, Maf said:

As far as I know, there's quite a few ways to increase that amount (i.e. earn crystals), from things like completing "use supplies" missions, to opening containers. For all we know, he could have opened a few weekly containers and killed 1 guy in a private PRO battle.

Missions or container rewards wouldn't get added to profiles afaik. These guys are cheating by rigging funds in pro battles with their mates. So it's thanks to cheats like this that pro battle funds get removed. Game development will not accept this..it's not in the games interest to have a group of players gaining such an easy advantage. I've read on here about the drone/dictator exp/cry exploit but it doesn't stack up in this case. Most definately gonna end up with a situation where highest e-rated player in Tanki has easily gained that rating with advantages majority of the player base can never get honestly.

36 minutes ago, Maf said:

I don't think Premium players care much about ratings. Premium helps you progress through ranks, which means you unlock equipment and save up for upgrades faster. This in turn allows you to become stronger and expand the variety of gameplay options available to you (via different drones, turrets, hulls, alts, etc.), which helps make the most out of the experience.

Some care about it, some don't. It's inevitable that any kind of in-game rating is gonna appeal to at least part of the player base. Tanki knows this, that's why they added it and monetized it by giving advantage to premiumers.

Edited June 2, 2020 by TaffyTank

[cosmic666 1,055]

1 hour ago, Maf said:

As far as I know, there's quite a few ways to increase that amount (i.e. earn crystals), from things like completing "use supplies" missions, to opening containers. For all we know, he could have opened a few weekly containers and killed 1 guy in a private PRO battle.

I don't think Premium players care much about ratings. Premium helps you progress through ranks, which means you unlock equipment and save up for upgrades faster. This in turn allows you to become stronger and expand the variety of gameplay options available to you (via different drones, turrets, hulls, alts, etc.), which helps make the most out of the experience.

come on maf do you really believe what you have just said. And to the best of my knowledge the only crystals that count are the ones earned in MM. ANY PLAYER that has a crystal/xp of 50 which that yarp cool guy player has (he is 2nd in rating) is exploiting the game ie CHEATING. TAFFY is correct in his assumption these players don't deserve to be in ratings leaderboard as they are taking away all the hard work of decent honest players who graft for months to reach LEGEND and try their best for at least a top 100.spot. The DEVS in my opinion have a duty to uphold the ethics of the game for the honest players who try their best and to remove the unethical players from the game,at the very least from all ratings and any (TANKI RECORDS) they might have acquired. I think this more than anything would show these type of players that exploiting the game unfairly is unacceptable and will not be tolerated whithin the confines of the game (tanki).

Edited June 2, 2020 by cosmic666
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[cosmic666 1,055]

  15 hours ago, ILiveOnTheChatBox123 said:

Listen, @Maf is at 401st place in efficiency, so I think we should trust him on this one. Unless admins have access to special cheats like the devs?

Please check account of Closing as another example of a cheater.https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Closing

How have they got 41k crystals from 1exp last week? These guys are cheats....I don't care about ratings but the fact is people are actually paying money for a high rating and these dudes are cheating them. Should absolutely be clamped down on. They also easily obtain game currency through cheating that you and I have to fight for hours in competitive battles to get. Currency which is used to improve their equipment that they then use against honest players, especially during events. That player has more crystals than any legend10 i have ever seen. If thats not exploiting the game then i dont no what is. 

[Maf 32,300]

1 hour ago, cosmic666 said:

TAFFY is correct in his assumption these players don't deserve to be in ratings leaderboard as they are taking away all the hard work of decent honest players who graft for months to reach LEGEND and try their best for at least a top 100.spot.

In my opinion, Ratings are currently a gimmick that not many people know or care about. First they must be made into a proper feature, which includes at the very least integrating them into the game, but hopefully also adding some kind of rewards system. And only after that we can talk about making them fair and balanced.

What are we talking about here anyway? The top-100 efficiency players who are probably using unfair strategies (like multing) to keep their efficiency up and stay on top-100 on weekly tables? Yeah, they probably do it, but it doesn't really matter because Ratings as a whole don't matter. Such cases should be treated like any other gameplay violation - recorded in real time and dealt with by battle mods.

 

6 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

I don't care about ratings but the fact is people are actually paying money for a high rating

Like I said in my other post, I don't think there's any significant number of players "paying money for a high rating". I just don't understand why anyone would care so much about RATINGS over seemingly much more important things like upgrading your equipment and expanding your garage.

[Viking4s 10,791]

42 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Please check account of Closing as another example of a cheater.https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Closing 
How have they got 41k crystals from 1exp last week? These guys are cheats....I don't care about ratings but the fact is people are actually paying money for a high rating and these dudes are cheating them. Should absolutely be clamped down on. They also easily obtain game currency through cheating that you and I have to fight for hours in competitive battles to get. Currency which is used to improve their equipment that they then use against honest players, especially during events. That player has more crystals than any legend 10 i have ever seen. If thats not exploiting the game then i dont no what is. 

8 millions, wow that is a lot. Unfortunately he does it in a way that Tanki allows it to happen, so it is not illegal.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Viking4s

[NooNooHead 121]

On 5/31/2020 at 6:33 PM, DaringDeer said:

Meant to include Yrap_cool stats too.  

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I recently had the pleasure to play with and against Yrap_cool. He uses a dictator with isida and plays only in assault as the defending team. His GS is not at the max. He shares the OD with teammates to gain xp. He has a premium account but with isida, he didn't get an exceptional DL ratio. Almost every match win/loss, he is at the top of the team. As for Yarik, the top gun, I suspect he is an insider with that spectrum protection and he is only playing in special events.

Edited June 2, 2020 by NooNooHead

[cosmic666 1,055]

6 hours ago, Maf said:

In my opinion, Ratings are currently a gimmick that not many people know or care about. First they must be made into a proper feature, which includes at the very least integrating them into the game, but hopefully also adding some kind of rewards system. And only after that we can talk about making them fair and balanced.

What are we talking about here anyway? The top-100 efficiency players who are probably using unfair strategies (like multing) to keep their efficiency up and stay on top-100 on weekly tables? Yeah, they probably do it, but it doesn't really matter because Ratings as a whole don't matter. Such cases should be treated like any other gameplay violation - recorded in real time and dealt with by battle mods.

 

Like I said in my other post, I don't think there's any significant number of players "paying money for a high rating". I just don't understand why anyone would care so much about RATINGS over seemingly much more important things like upgrading your equipment and expanding your garage.

The ratings are part of the game as they reflect your ability as a player, i agree they are not that important as such, but it does bother me that these type of players get recognised as (SKILLFUL) when actually there real skill is MANIPULATING UNFAIRLY the ratings which a lot of players try very hard to get into when they reach legend rank. And not all the top 100 are mults/cheats.The real issue here is they CHEAT. 

[cosmic666 1,055]

And you have seen his xp/cry ratio????? and your still praising him saying he is skillful. you actually believe he got all that cry for a tiny amount of xp playing MM battles.   

[DaringDeer 656]

When I tried to make top 100 I thought it was something interesting to shoot for.  As I tried to figure out how the system worked, I saw how lots of the top ranked were doing it.  When I peaked was right around the time dictator/mechanic allowed people to easily game the system.  I saw almost all the accounts above and below me taking advantage and that is when I decided to let it go.  I have no desire to spend my limited time on that.

A lot of the people who build these accounts to get top 10 efficiency are on alternate accounts and they have played on them for months or years, on and off, only during double/triple crystal fund days to get there.  They are paying for premium.  They are generally good for Tanki so I don't fault them or Tanki for allowing it.

I know a lot of players that do value efficiency ranking and are in top 500 and trying to move up.  I know a lot of players who could give 2 turds about the whole thing.  It's just another small corner of the community.