A poll for Tankers still clinging to Flash

[Joeguy 941]

 

My humble opinion about this newest affront from Tanki:

What can be said about an obnoxious tactic like this?  Well, besides being pointless, it is packed with exaggerations and outright lies.  It does no one any good and only detracts from an already declining game.  It begs the single question: WHY?

 

_{In the spoiler is a copy-n-paste from another post on a different thread further stating my opinion...you may have seen it before.}

Spoiler

 

I just watched the new VLOG.  They actually want this piece of trash in the game.  This just shows how out of touch these nitwit devs really are.  Do these fools actually think that this kind of hassle pop-up will motivate EVEN ONE PLAYER to migrate to HTML?????  These guys are lost in the dark at the bottom of a well with a bag over your head.  What a pointless piece of coding and a total waste of their time and now many of us players.

 

Don't goad me you pushy spin doctors.  The exaggerations and lies on this obnoxious pop up make me angry and are frustrating because there is no chance of redress for your pathetic and outrageous behavior.  We players can only sit here and take the garbage you fools dish out, or quit the game.  So far a few HUNDRED THOUSAND players have been way smarter than me and already quit.  This sort of trashy move is just one more straw on the camel's back.  Why don't you care about your customers?  If we want to play Flash until you get rid of it...let us do want we want ...it doesn't hurt you one tiny bit.  Leave a once-a-log-in click away notification about Flash's demise if you actually think there might be a player that doesn't know Flash is doomed (I sincerely doubt it) but stop with your abusive and pushy timer and popups.

 

If you think I'm OVERREACTING about this pop-up, LOOK at the INTERNET CONVENTION about TYPING IN CAPS.  We all know it and don't like it when someone does it.  It is CRINGEY at best because it means THEY ARE SHOUTING...even though they are obviously not actually shouting.  The STUPID POP-UP is the same sort of irritating internet kind of thing.   THE POP-UP IS RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO ALL PLAYERS STILL USING FLASH. 

 

 

 

Please  get rid of this very obnoxious pop up...it does absolutely nothing positive and only does harm to your game.

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by Joeguy

[AncientFire 1,894]

tldr; remove it pls

it is annoying

[SporkZilla 1,775]

I don't see how the hassle pop-up is going to win over the hearts and minds of people who still hate the HTML5 version, and might quit TO in December

I still use the Flash version to look at / change my daily missions every day or if I just want to look my garage because account switching is faster (and the garage has tables of parameters / prices), but I don't use it for playing any more because it's too unstable

(I still think the Flash version is better, but that's irrelevant because Flash is on borrowed time)

The hassle pop-up isn't going to stop me from using the Flash version (before December) for housekeeping until account switching is as easy in the HTML5 version

Edited August 17, 2020 by SporkZilla

[Maf 32,300]

That pop-up is not aimed at you. The very fact that you logged into the forum and are using it to post your opinions already means that you are more involved in this project and the community than, I'd guess, 90% of the players. The vast majority of people only log into their account to play some battles and complete missions. They don't care about having in-game friends, joining groups/clubs, doing eSports, or even following the V-logs and updates. Those are the people, who may not be aware about the situation with Flash, and who may be encouraged to switch to HTML5 after seeing it.

Regardless, I don't see the point in protesting and boycotting HTML5 so relentlessly. This isn't a matter of choice or opinion, because Flash WILL be shut down within a few months, and at that point you will only have two options: move to HTML5 or quit the game.

HTML5 will continue improving over time, but there obviously won't be any major changes (like adding an option for the old interface) that would instantly change your opinion about it. Yes, there are issues and design decisions you may not like — it is what it is. So if you want to continue playing Tanki, I would recommend trying HTML5 at least for short periods of time and gradually get used to it, so that you won't have to experience the sudden change when Flash becomes unavailable.

[Benefactor 6,888]

21 minutes ago, SporkZilla said:

I don't see how the hassle pop-up is going to win over the hearts and minds of people who still hate the HTML5 version, and might quit TO in December

I still use the Flash version to look at / change my daily missions every day or if I just want to look my garage because account switching is faster (and the garage has tables of parameters / prices), but I don't use it for playing any more because it's too unstable

(I still think the Flash version is better, but that's irrelevant because Flash is on borrowed time)

The hassle pop-up isn't going to stop me from using the Flash version (before December) until account switching is as easy in the HTML5 version

You must come to the dark side, it is your destiny....

[cosmic666 1,055]

Have to agree, using flash is way easier to navigate your account, i mean sooo much easier. html5 is just way to gimmicky, outlines of tanks....really, and trying to go to your garage if you need equipment change is a chore, and even when you get into your garage it is a hassle just to change 1 protection never mind all 3. And it takes you out of the battle altogether meaning you cant see the map at all whereas you can in flash. I honestly don't no how anyone can say in that regards html5 is better than flash, because it doesn't even come close. And yes the pop up is annoying, that's why the devs done it,no other reason just to get you off flash even quicker than the set date. I will not be playing html5 the way i play flash, at most i will do a specific mission and just stay on pause until i have no choice but re-enter the battle. I will not be wasting any supplies on that version, they can whistle dixie till the cows come home but i will not engage in a system that is lacking in so much compared to flash.  

[wolverine848 13,097]

22 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Have to agree, using flash is way easier to navigate your account, i mean sooo much easier. html5 is just way to gimmicky, outlines of tanks....really, and trying to go to your garage if you need equipment change is a chore, and even when you get into your garage it is a hassle just to change 1 protection never mind all 3. And it takes you out of the battle altogether meaning you cant see the map at all whereas you can in flash. I honestly don't no how anyone can say in that regards html5 is better than flash, because it doesn't even come close. And yes the pop up is annoying, that's why the devs done it,no other reason just to get you off flash even quicker than the set date. I will not be playing html5 the way i play flash, at most i will do a specific mission and just stay on pause until i have no choice but re-enter the battle. I will not be wasting any supplies on that version, they can whistle dixie till the cows come home but i will not engage in a system that is lacking in so much compared to flash.  

Why even bother continuing to play by that time?  What's the point?  They won't be bringing Flash back due to some in-game protests.  It's a done-deal.  Switch now and slowly get used it.  Otherwise you might as well quit and do something else.

[Maf 32,300]

32 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

outlines of tanks....really, and trying to go to your garage if you need equipment change is a chore, and even when you get into your garage it is a hassle just to change 1 protection never mind all 3

I disagree. Outlines of tanks are extremely useful, particularly in case of Hornet's radar. On Flash you just see a single symbol showing that a tank is there. You can't even tell the distance, which quite often leads you to believe that an enemy is behind a corner when in fact they are on the other side of the map. On HTML5 you can see the exact position of the tank, how far away it is (based on size of the outline), the direction it's moving, and exactly what kind of tank it is.

Even the normal red outline is useful, since it helps you see if you have enough elevation/depression in your turret to hit them from your current angle. It also helps in case of partially hidden enemies. I still remember the time a few weeks ago when I got a kill on an enemy on Stadium through one of those tiny gaps in the walls from the other side of the map with Railgun, only because I could see when my turret was aligned with their tank. There's other ways in which it can be useful, but I won't go into details.

As for changing, after a while you can get used to doing it faster and without using your mouse:
G for garage — E to scroll to modules — Del to remove your current protections — Q/E to scroll to modules — Space to equip — press Z to get back to battle.

I will agree though that it's annoying to have the garage interface completely cover the battlefield, and there's a few other issues like the scrolling feature acting weird. However, in my case personally, the advantages of HTML5 outweigh the issues, which is why I've been using HTML5 for the past 4 months.

[Joeguy 941]

11 minutes ago, Maf said:

That pop-up is not aimed at you. The very fact that you logged into the forum and are using it to post your opinions already means that you are more involved in this project and the community than, I'd guess, 90% of the players. The vast majority of people only log into their account to play some battles and complete missions. They don't care about having in-game friends, joining groups/clubs, doing eSports, or even following the V-logs and updates. Those are the people, who may not be aware about the situation with Flash, and who may be encouraged to switch to HTML5 after seeing it.

Regardless, I don't see the point in protesting and boycotting HTML5 so relentlessly. This isn't a matter of choice or opinion, because Flash WILL be shut down within a few months, and at that point you will only have two options: move to HTML5 or quit the game.

HTML5 will continue improving over time, but there obviously won't be any major changes (like adding an option for the old interface) that would instantly change your opinion about it. Yes, there are issues and design decisions you may not like — it is what it is. So if you want to continue playing Tanki, I would recommend trying HTML5 at least for short periods of time and gradually get used to it, so that you won't have to experience the sudden change when Flash becomes unavailable.

OK, so let's say there actually are casual players that don't know flash is being discontinued (I sincerely doubt that there are many, if any).  What value is a pop-up with a timer that makes it keep popping up every couple of minutes and pop-up after spawning into a battle many times over a once a login type of notification pop-up?  Why punish flash players for playing flash?  They will either move to HTML or quit the game in Dec.  How does this annoying pop-up help them in any way what so ever.  Is there some sort of cosmic advantage of migrating to HTML in August that I am unaware of?  Tanki isn't going to shut down Flash until Dec even if players go to HTML now, so what is the point of hassling players in August?

The point of protesting and boycotting HTML is that HTML is lame compared to Flash no matter how many times in in what ways Tanki trys to tell us how much better it is than Flash.  It just plainly is not better than Flash and as long as Flash is better I intend to keep playing on it.  When the time comes to move to HTML I'm sure I will be playing much less Tanki unless they improve HTML between now and then. 

I will say that this pop-up has ticked me off enough to start looking at different games.  (I now see where Tanki has come up with their "modern ideas" of how a game should look...copying from bigger and better game developers)

"I would recommend trying HTML5 at least for short periods of time and gradually get used to it, so that you won't have to experience the sudden change when Flash becomes unavailable."  Do we need another poll to ask if players have tried HTML or use HTML at times?  Don't you think most or even all players that are reading this have tried or sometimes use HTML?  I recognize that your heart is in a good space but this seems kind of patronizing.

All I'm asking is to get rid of the timer on the annoying pop-up...once a login is enough.  Currently it is harassing your own players for no gain to anyone.  It is only causing harm, both in terms of lag/gameplay and Tanki/player relations.  One might even call it SABOTAGE.

[cosmic666 1,055]

5 minutes ago, Maf said:

That pop-up is not aimed at you. The very fact that you logged into the forum and are using it to post your opinions already means that you are more involved in this project and the community than, I'd guess, 90% of the players. The vast majority of people only log into their account to play some battles and complete missions. They don't care about having in-game friends, joining groups/clubs, doing eSports, or even following the V-logs and updates. Those are the people, who may not be aware about the situation with Flash, and who may be encouraged to switch to HTML5 after seeing it.

Regardless, I don't see the point in protesting and boycotting HTML5 so relentlessly. This isn't a matter of choice or opinion, because Flash WILL be shut down within a few months, and at that point you will only have two options: move to HTML5 or quit the game.

HTML5 will continue improving over time, but there obviously won't be any major changes (like adding an option for the old interface) that would instantly change your opinion about it. Yes, there are issues and design decisions you may not like — it is what it is. So if you want to continue playing Tanki, I would recommend trying HTML5 at least for short periods of time and gradually get used to it, so that you won't have to experience the sudden change when Flash becomes unavailable.

The pop up is pathetic,and with regards to html5, tried it several times don't like it. I will continue to play but on my terms until html5 is brought into line with flash which even though it might be old hat to you and the kids, it is still a far superior version than html5 is at this moment in time. And we have to be relentless because along with html5 there are other issues with TO that also need looking at, like MURDER HORNET, the woeful MM fiasco, rank balance in battles, etc etc. It's a shame players are leaving because the devs implement updates that for long periods do nothing to enhance the game one bit. Rather they cause more issues to players in general than actually enhancing anything. MM, rank balance in battles to name but 2 of the many updates the devs have made that have in no way been of any benefit to the majority of players. I have been at this for nearly 6 years now and in the last 6 months i have cut my game time down by a huge amount, all because of the many updates that have been added with no thought whatsoever as to how it has affected gameplay for the majority of players. The bad updates seem to be endless,.and as i have commented on many occasions about all of them there really is no need to go over them again. Fix the bad updates (html5 is among them) are bring in a new shiny hull for the kids to shout about, tough one that, i wonder what a sensible and considerate company would choose to do for it's remaining loyal customers, any thoughts on that mod, are will you still spin the half truths (at best) that the devs tell us are in the games and therefore our best interests. And before you say i don't no the half of what goes on (BEHIND CLOSED DOORS) then please tell us, what exactly does go on that we should no about, as we are the customers and it affects us a lot especially when the most important word in the tankI dictionary is involved, CASH. Without which there would not be a TO.

[cosmic666 1,055]

9 minutes ago, Maf said:

I disagree. Outlines of tanks are extremely useful, particularly in case of Hornet's radar. On Flash you just see a single symbol showing that a tank is there. You can't even tell the distance, which quite often leads you to believe that an enemy is behind a corner when in fact they are on the other side of the map. On HTML5 you can see the exact position of the tank, how far away it is (based on size of the outline), the direction it's moving, and exactly what kind of tank it is.

Even the normal red outline is useful, since it helps you see if you have enough elevation/depression in your turret to hit them from your current angle. It also helps in case of partially hidden enemies. I still remember the time a few weeks ago when I got a kill on an enemy on Stadium through one of those tiny gaps in the walls from the other side of the map with Railgun, only because I could see when my turret was aligned with their tank. There's other ways in which it can be useful, but I won't go into details.

As for changing, after a while you can get used to doing it faster and without using your mouse:
G for garage — E to scroll to modules — Del to remove your current protections — Q/E to scroll to modules — Space to equip — press Z to get back to battle.

I will agree though that it's annoying to have the garage interface completely cover the battlefield, and there's a few other issues like the scrolling feature acting weird. However, in my case personally, the advantages of HTML5 outweigh the issues, which is why I've been using HTML5 for the past 4 months.

Knock yourself out, it's still pants.

[Maf 32,300]

2 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Why punish flash players for playing flash? [...]  Is there some sort of cosmic advantage of migrating to HTML in August that I am unaware of?

Because maintaining the Flash version of the game causes significant extra costs for the project and delays releases of new content. It hurts the project economically, which is why developers are becoming more and more persistent with moving players to HTML5.

4 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Tanki isn't going to shut down Flash until Dec even if players go to HTML now, so what is the point of hassling players in August?

December is the official date stated by Adobe and various browsers. I believe that devs could even keep the Flash version working into 2021, but it would be impossible to use in browsers and extremely hard to maintain, so they will not do that. On the other hand, if everyone migrated to HTML5 today, devs could get rid of the outdated version and focus 100% of their effort on improving HTML5, instead of trying to maintain and troubleshoot two versions of the game in parallel.

7 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

I will say that this pop-up has ticked me off enough to start looking at different games.

Maintaining a healthy variety of options is always a good thing. Might be a good idea to take a break and come back in a few months because by that time it's possible that many improvements and fixes would have been made in HTML5.

9 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Do we need another poll to ask if players have tried HTML or use HTML at times?  Don't you think most or even all players that are reading this have tried or sometimes use HTML?  I recognize that your heart is in a good space but this seems kind of patronizing.

Might be interesting, though the limited forum population doesn't reflect the general mass of Tanki users.

[Maf 32,300]

5 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

And we have to be relentless because along with html5 there are other issues with TO that also need looking at, like MURDER HORNET, the woeful MM fiasco, rank balance in battles, etc etc

You won't change any of those things by playing in Flash instead of HTML5. In fact, like I said in my previous post, forcing developers to continue maintaining two separate versions of the game means that they have less time and resources to solve the other issues you mentioned.

[Joeguy 941]

7 minutes ago, Maf said:

I disagree. Outlines of tanks are extremely useful, particularly in case of Hornet's radar. On Flash you just see a single symbol showing that a tank is there. You can't even tell the distance, which quite often leads you to believe that an enemy is behind a corner when in fact they are on the other side of the map. On HTML5 you can see the exact position of the tank, how far away it is (based on size of the outline), the direction it's moving, and exactly what kind of tank it is.

Even the normal red outline is useful, since it helps you see if you have enough elevation/depression in your turret to hit them from your current angle. It also helps in case of partially hidden enemies. I still remember the time a few weeks ago when I got a kill on an enemy on Stadium through one of those tiny gaps in the walls from the other side of the map with Railgun, only because I could see when my turret was aligned with their tank. There's other ways in which it can be useful, but I won't go into details.

As for changing, after a while you can get used to doing it faster and without using your mouse:
G for garage — E to scroll to modules — Del to remove your current protections — Q/E to scroll to modules — Space to equip — press Z to get back to battle.

I will agree though that it's annoying to have the garage interface completely cover the battlefield, and there's a few other issues like the scrolling feature acting weird. However, in my case personally, the advantages of HTML5 outweigh the issues, which is why I've been using HTML5 for the past 4 months.

Isn't the point of map obstructions like walls, bushes, and buildings to provide places to HIDE?  Why have different maps at all (well MM has mostly homogenized the maps anyway, but you know what I mean)?  The lines (both colors) have just removed one more bit of strategy from the game further degrading it and turning into more of a kiddie shoot-shoot game.

[Maf 32,300]

2 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Isn't the point of map obstructions like walls, bushes, and buildings to provide places to HIDE?  Why have different maps at all (well MM has mostly homogenized the maps anyway, but you know what I mean)?  The lines (both colors) have just removed one more bit of strategy from the game further degrading it and turning into more of a kiddie shoot-shoot game.

You can still hide. Outlines for enemy tanks only show when Hornet's OD is enabled. Whether or not that ability is too powerful is a question of internal game balance, not Flash vs HTML5. As for the red outline — I agree that it can be too OP sometimes. In some cases it completely ruins the ability to hide in bushes, for example.

[cosmic666 1,055]

20 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Why even bother continuing to play by that time?  What's the point?  They won't be bringing Flash back due to some in-game protests.  It's a done-deal.  Switch now and slowly get used it.  Otherwise you might as well quit and do something else.

Easy answer, just to be annoying,(within the rules of course). They introduce html5 and shove it down our throats without even getting it right before hand and have the temerity to say it's superior,yeah yeah whatever. I won't ever conform to something i am dead set against just because others say so. I will continue to carry on as i have earned the right to, but like i said i do it my way and don't give a rats what anyone thinks along the way. So on that note i think i will stay and see how it pans out.

[SporkZilla 1,775]

10 minutes ago, Maf said:

You won't change any of those things by playing in Flash instead of HTML5. In fact, like I said in my previous post, forcing developers to continue maintaining two separate versions of the game means that they have less time and resources to solve the other issues you mentioned.

And I doubt Hornet's OD will get any adjustments by people screaming MURDER HORNET either instead of a more reasonable approach

I, like everyone else, have issues with lots of things in TO too, but I think my complaints have always been civil

I was anxious about the Flash > HTML5 transition when I found the HTML5 version unplayable, but I've used it almost exclusively for battles since the camera was fixed

(I don't like the outlines either and was capable of doing pixel precision shots with Smoky without them, just involved a bit of trial and error, but I think mobile players need them in order to compete with the PC crowd and their huge screens)

I just don't think the pop-up achieves much, and might have the effect of just annoying the Flash rebels instead of persuading them to switch before December

Edited August 17, 2020 by SporkZilla

[cosmic666 1,055]

9 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Isn't the point of map obstructions like walls, bushes, and buildings to provide places to HIDE?  Why have different maps at all (well MM has mostly homogenized the maps anyway, but you know what I mean)?  The lines (both colors) have just removed one more bit of strategy from the game further degrading it and turning into more of a kiddie shoot-shoot game.

LOL looks like it's you and i against all of tanki, REBELS to the core.

[Joeguy 941]

7 minutes ago, Maf said:

Because maintaining the Flash version of the game causes significant extra costs for the project and delays releases of new content. It hurts the project economically, which is why developers are becoming more and more persistent with moving players to HTML5.

December is the official date stated by Adobe and various browsers. I believe that devs could even keep the Flash version working into 2021, but it would be impossible to use in browsers and extremely hard to maintain, so they will not do that. On the other hand, if everyone migrated to HTML5 today, devs could get rid of the outdated version and focus 100% of their effort on improving HTML5, instead of trying to maintain and troubleshoot two versions of the game in parallel.

Maintaining a healthy variety of options is always a good thing. Might be a good idea to take a break and come back in a few months because by that time it's possible that many improvements and fixes would have been made in HTML5.

Might be interesting, though the limited forum population doesn't reflect the general mass of Tanki users.

Is there any chance, in any realm, where all the players using Flash now or in the next few weeks would all move to HTML?  Tanki has already drawn a tine in the sand and said Dec 1st...OK, it's their game and the "too difficult to keep maintaining Flash" has merit.  It actually sounds like the truth (which is always subject to scrutiny when coming from Tanki devs).   But they are going to keep Flash until Dec 1

So leave us alone until Dec 1st.  Why hassle your own players?  Tanki is not going to shut down Flash until Dec because there are now and will continue to be players using it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

32 minutes ago, Maf said:

I disagree. Outlines of tanks are extremely useful,

For noobs (beginners) maybe.  But should not be there for any rank above WO.  What's the point of having foliage when the enemy can still "see" you through it - even though they should not be able to.

Garage - very sluggish - I rarely visit it during a 6.5 minute battle (as an aside I can't remember the last time I had a 7 minute battle.  Maybe 1 year ago?)

[cosmic666 1,055]

Here is an idea, the devs like pop ups, no probs. How about doing one with do you prefer FLASH or HTML5. there you go you will get a very good reflection on how many want the new version are not.

[wolverine848 13,097]

13 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Easy answer, just to be annoying,(within the rules of course). They introduce html5 and shove it down our throats without even getting it right before hand and have the temerity to say it's superior,yeah yeah whatever. I won't ever conform to something i am dead set against just because others say so. I will continue to carry on as i have earned the right to, but like i said i do it my way and don't give a rats what anyone thinks along the way. So on that note i think i will stay and see how it pans out.

It currently is not 100%.  But it is more playable than when first introduced.  

Team-mates will just love you if you sit there on pause for half a battle.  It just adds to all the other crap.  Makes no sense for you or for other players.

[Joeguy 941]

7 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Easy answer, just to be annoying,(within the rules of course). They introduce html5 and shove it down our throats without even getting it right before hand and have the temerity to say it's superior,yeah yeah whatever. I won't ever conform to something i am dead set against just because others say so. I will continue to carry on as i have earned the right to, but like i said i do it my way and don't give a rats what anyone thinks along the way. So on that note i think i will stay and see how it pans out.

I think what you are saying is exactly what I feel too.  It's not the move to HTML or the discontinuing of Flash.  It's not even the decision to implement MM or it's poor iteration or other toxic updates.  It's the way Tanki goes about things with their bold faced lies, half truths, exaggerations, and the insanely outrageous spins they attach to their agendas.

What they could do with honesty and truth they choose to do with coercion, dishonesty, and unethical practices.  They go for the con over rational explanation every single time without fail....every time.  And that whole con-schtick is typified by this obnoxious and needless pop-up.  And they do it with a big smile and tell us how great whatever trash they are spewing is.

[Maf 32,300]

2 minutes ago, Joeguy said:

Is there any chance, in any realm, where all the players using Flash now or in the next few weeks would all move to HTML?  Tanki has already drawn a tine in the sand and said Dec 1st...OK, it's their game and the "too difficult to keep maintaining Flash" has merit.  It actually sounds like the truth (which is always subject to scrutiny when coming from Tanki devs).   But they are going to keep Flash until Dec 1

So leave us alone until Dec 1st.  Why hassle your own players?  Tanki is not going to shut down Flash until Dec because there are now and will continue to be players using it.

I assume the aim is to accelerate migration to HTML5, because having just 5% of players using Flash until the end if better than 50%. It will make the transition more smooth for everyone involved. Don't know how exactly, but that's the most likely reason.

[Joeguy 941]

22 minutes ago, Maf said:

You can still hide. Outlines for enemy tanks only show when Hornet's OD is enabled. Whether or not that ability is too powerful is a question of internal game balance, not Flash vs HTML5. As for the red outline — I agree that it can be too OP sometimes. In some cases it completely ruins the ability to hide in bushes, for example.

It is HTML vs Flash.  It is a mis-feature of HTML and completely missing from Flash.  The outlines are one of the things that is wrong with HTML whether it is intended, an oversight, or just bad coding.  Flash is superior to HTML in respect to outlines because Flash doesn't have them.