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On 12/16/2020 at 1:33 PM, Venerable said:

I believe it totally depends on ranks.

To a point yes, but your rank can only carry you so far in battle depending on what other ranks are against you, and if these other ranks are P2W/F2P.

I have a W04 with a g/s of over 6200, i would never go into battle against my own ranks because it is very weak. 

It is smokey MK6 with titan MK6 and a drone equipped. 

Why do i consider this weak, simple, i have only a few MK4 protections. 

I have MK6 because of the conversion from M to MK as my M2 was maxed out.

So yes a very high G/S but overall a very, very weak garage.

Only way to make this super OP is to spend a fortune in the shop to upgrade everything to at least MK5 maxed out, never ever going to happen.

P2W is the huge overriding factor in all of this, you got the cash you dominate battles, regardless of ranks, unless of course you get put against ranks way, way above you, then you just exit and wait for MM to put you in a battle were you are the dominant player, either way P2W will always be the main difference in the outcome of most battles until your cash driven garage gets to the point where it evens itself out at the higher legend ranks.     

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4 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

To a point yes, but your rank can only carry you so far in battle depending on what other ranks are against you, and if these other ranks are P2W/F2P.

I have a W04 with a g/s of over 6200, i would never go into battle against my own ranks because it is very weak. 

It is smokey MK6 with titan MK6 and a drone equipped. 

Why do i consider this weak, simple, i have only a few MK4 protections. 

I have MK6 because of the conversion from M to MK as my M2 was maxed out.

So yes a very high G/S but overall a very, very weak garage.

Only way to make this super OP is to spend a fortune in the shop to upgrade everything to at least MK5 maxed out, never ever going to happen.

P2W is the huge overriding factor in all of this, you got the cash you dominate battles, regardless of ranks, unless of course you get put against ranks way, way above you, then you just exit and wait for MM to put you in a battle were you are the dominant player, either way P2W will always be the main difference in the outcome of most battles until your cash driven garage gets to the point where it evens itself out at the higher legend ranks.     

True but in the same time, it really isn´t a weak garage. If you manage to upgrade the life out of that smoky and titan to boost it to M3 (Mk7) as well as your drone and protections, then that combo turns into a monster no matter what rank you play against. The main problem is diversity in gameplay but if you learn to play with that combo well, you can always pull good results or, fairly decent at least, no matter what map/ranks are in the match.

I speak that from experience. My garage is something like yours, rank Colonel. Railgun 2 steps from Mk8 and Hunter idk like Mk5.3, few prots and basic drones, GS 6400-6700 depending what I equip. Other than Rail and Hunter, I don´t have any other hull or turret that is competitive, so I am forced to learn and adapt with Railgun on every possible map and situation, which isn´t always fun but I don´t haver an alternative. The game is full of people who buy OP stuff and I just can´t spread out crystals on random equipment. I need powerfull combo that can do damage and score well. I chose Rail-Hunter and that is what I play with. I see myself forced to do this because of what Tanki turned into, so I really see this as only possibility and I think it´s fair to have that kind of garage, I don´t know. It is powerfull to me, I can compete with any rank IMO, maybe it´s more because it is Mk8 and yours is Mk6 but still, if you know your gun well and how to use it correctly, you are good if it´s MU level is good :)

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8 hours ago, Hungarian_Warriors10 said:

@Unleash so this article doesn't even matter to them? (it says 16th of March)

https://tankionline.com/en/2021/02/march-challenge-i-2/
Thanks for your answer in advance!

When the article contradict with the information in the game, you have to go with the info in the game over the article.

So the game says tomorrow the challenge will end and yes it will end tomorrow. The 16th of March that on the article is simply a mistake or something like 

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On 3/13/2021 at 2:18 AM, Stacker said:

 I am a railgun player. 99% of the time I use only railgun

Skill shot, I define that as a precisely timed shot, XP/BP players know what I am talking about.

Friendly reminder, if you want other players reading your article and agreeing with your opinions. Stop talking about XP/BP and stop assuming the skills are on there.

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25 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

Friendly reminder, if you want other players reading your article and agreeing with your opinions. Stop talking about XP/BP and stop assuming the skills are on there.

It's funny.  Isn't that how every rail player uses it?

I mean, I don't use Rail at all - but when I ever get to be the JUG, even I can do that.

"skill shot".   LOL.   I too am skilled!     ?

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1 hour ago, asem.harbi said:

Friendly reminder, if you want other players reading your article and agreeing with your opinions. Stop talking about XP/BP and stop assuming the skills are on there.

I did not say there is skill on XP/BP matches, I mentioned XP/BP while explaining what I call a "skill shot". I mean I don´t want anyone agreeing on my posts either, I don´t care what anyone has to say, I say what I think and thats it, agree or not I really don´t care, this isn´t a competition for likes or whatever, I just hope someone reads and understands what I say and maybe does something about those problems. And this is pissing me off, it is just a basic thing that should simply not happen in a game like Tanki is.

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

It's funny.  Isn't that how every rail player uses it?

I mean, I don't use Rail at all - but when I ever get to be the JUG, even I can do that.

"skill shot".   LOL.   I too am skilled!     ?

Well I won´t go into how others use it, I don´t really see players use railgun that much that is the point. All I see is drugging, hovering and jumping tanks, that is it. And one thing is to play it "that way", the other is to hit someone with a tough shot during a regular MM match. I just tried explaining the most simple way what I wanted to say without putting a video because I can´t be bothered to film a bug. Skill shot is when you hit someone by the way, so yeah, everyone can peak out behind a wall and shoot, but will they hit, and how far is the desired enemy, behind what obstacles and how big % of it´s hull and turret is visible to you while you peak is a different question. You probably don´t have many of these situations because, as you said, you don´t even play railgun ?‍♂️

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2 hours ago, Stacker said:

True but in the same time, it really isn´t a weak garage. If you manage to upgrade the life out of that smoky and titan to boost it to M3 (Mk7) as well as your drone and protections, then that combo turns into a monster no matter what rank you play against. The main problem is diversity in gameplay but if you learn to play with that combo well, you can always pull good results or, fairly decent at least, no matter what map/ranks are in the match.

I speak that from experience. My garage is something like yours, rank Colonel. Railgun 2 steps from Mk8 and Hunter idk like Mk5.3, few prots and basic drones, GS 6400-6700 depending what I equip. Other than Rail and Hunter, I don´t have any other hull or turret that is competitive, so I am forced to learn and adapt with Railgun on every possible map and situation, which isn´t always fun but I don´t haver an alternative. The game is full of people who buy OP stuff and I just can´t spread out crystals on random equipment. I need powerfull combo that can do damage and score well. I chose Rail-Hunter and that is what I play with. I see myself forced to do this because of what Tanki turned into, so I really see this as only possibility and I think it´s fair to have that kind of garage, I don´t know. It is powerfull to me, I can compete with any rank IMO, maybe it´s more because it is Mk8 and yours is Mk6 but still, if you know your gun well and how to use it correctly, you are good if it´s MU level is good :)

To be honestly blunt and without causing any friction between us, your garage would get wiped out by my colonel rank.

And as for competing against any rank, i'm afraid going up against 9999 legends is a non starter, not just for you, but my colonel rank also.

And my W04 is very weak. I have no augments whatsoever, no alts, no nothing. G/S at least at the very low ranks has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

TO is P2W. You have the cash you do well.   

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MM at it's finest. Capped one point to get us off the mark then i just spawned killed for the rest of the battle.

They had 2 legends at the beginning, they hightailed it after we capped 1st point.

And this is what a maxed out legend does to colonels......just stating a point for @Stacker 

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To be honest these low rankers should have left, no way they were ever going to make a impact on the outcome of the battle.

 

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1 hour ago, cosmic666 said:

To be honestly blunt and without causing any friction between us, your garage would get wiped out by my colonel rank.

And as for competing against any rank, i'm afraid going up against 9999 legends is a non starter, not just for you, but my colonel rank also.

And my W04 is very weak. I have no augments whatsoever, no alts, no nothing. G/S at least at the very low ranks has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

TO is P2W. You have the cash you do well.   

I mean look, as I said, I chose Rail-Hunter to go with. That isn´t really a game changing combo in todays MM I get that. Railgun it self is a powerfull weapon but in todays tanki with all the drugs it isn´t really that good. I have dealt with it in MM, I just drug and that is it, hope for the best.

M4 railgun can compete with anything IMO, if you know how to use it. If I play against 5 or 6 legends then of course, no point in arguing will I do any impact, because clearly I wouldn´t.

If we take MM out of picture and play a PRO battle without overpowered stuff (supplies, overdrives and alterations), M4 rail will do just fine against any rank, that is a fact. Unless I play against a guy who has 50% rail prot on maps that cant handle more than 8 players in total, like Arena, Island idk those kind of small maps. Then of course, every turret has it´s boundaries, just like firebird won´t really fit Kungur or Palma, against a railgun. It is just how you look at things. It is all about cash at the end, in the cash mode called MM. When you take out that factor, your Mk5/6 combo and mine would do just fine against anyone, I can guarantee you that. And then, we could do a 1v1 to see if you really would destroy my garage, we would see whos MU-ed combo wins ? (Just kidding of course)

 

EDIT: A rare footage of some bad MM and actual impact I had in one battle, rare though: (I mean we lost but whatever, still okay if you ask me, didn´t screen the entire enemy team though, only our mixed lineup)IMG-20210309-122928.jpg

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3 hours ago, Stacker said:

I did not say there is skill on XP/BP matches, I mentioned XP/BP while explaining what I call a "skill shot". I mean I don´t want anyone agreeing on my posts either, I don´t care what anyone has to say, I say what I think and thats it, agree or not I really don´t care, this isn´t a competition for likes or whatever, I just hope someone reads and understands what I say and maybe does something about those problems. And this is pissing me off, it is just a basic thing that should simply not happen in a game like Tanki is.

Well I won´t go into how others use it, I don´t really see players use railgun that much that is the point. All I see is drugging, hovering and jumping tanks, that is it. And one thing is to play it "that way", the other is to hit someone with a tough shot during a regular MM match. I just tried explaining the most simple way what I wanted to say without putting a video because I can´t be bothered to film a bug. Skill shot is when you hit someone by the way, so yeah, everyone can peak out behind a wall and shoot, but will they hit, and how far is the desired enemy, behind what obstacles and how big % of it´s hull and turret is visible to you while you peak is a different question. You probably don´t have many of these situations because, as you said, you don´t even play railgun ?‍♂️

BUT I AM SKILLED!    ?

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9 hours ago, Stacker said:

I did not say there is skill on XP/BP matches, I mentioned XP/BP while explaining what I call a "skill shot". I mean I don´t want anyone agreeing on my posts either, I don´t care what anyone has to say, I say what I think and thats it, agree or not I really don´t care, this isn´t a competition for likes or whatever, I just hope someone reads and understands what I say and maybe does something about those problems. And this is pissing me off, it is just a basic thing that should simply not happen in a game like Tanki is.

Well I won´t go into how others use it, I don´t really see players use railgun that much that is the point. All I see is drugging, hovering and jumping tanks, that is it. And one thing is to play it "that way", the other is to hit someone with a tough shot during a regular MM match. I just tried explaining the most simple way what I wanted to say without putting a video because I can´t be bothered to film a bug. Skill shot is when you hit someone by the way, so yeah, everyone can peak out behind a wall and shoot, but will they hit, and how far is the desired enemy, behind what obstacles and how big % of it´s hull and turret is visible to you while you peak is a different question. You probably don´t have many of these situations because, as you said, you don´t even play railgun ?‍♂️

Oh, I understood that you haven't mentioned xp/bp as skill matches, and I know that. But what I wrote is just for all to read, wasn't dedicated for you. But true that I wronged, and I'm sorry for that.   By the way, from time to time an xp/bp player appear here and just criticize everything than xp/bp, so maybe I have threw the baby out with the bath water and considered you also as one of those annoying players.

By the way I mentioned you with a video about the problem watch it.

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8 hours ago, Stacker said:

I mean look, as I said, I chose Rail-Hunter to go with. That isn´t really a game changing combo in todays MM I get that. Railgun it self is a powerfull weapon but in todays tanki with all the drugs it isn´t really that good. I have dealt with it in MM, I just drug and that is it, hope for the best.

M4 railgun can compete with anything IMO, if you know how to use it. If I play against 5 or 6 legends then of course, no point in arguing will I do any impact, because clearly I wouldn´t.

If we take MM out of picture and play a PRO battle without overpowered stuff (supplies, overdrives and alterations), M4 rail will do just fine against any rank, that is a fact. Unless I play against a guy who has 50% rail prot on maps that cant handle more than 8 players in total, like Arena, Island idk those kind of small maps. Then of course, every turret has it´s boundaries, just like firebird won´t really fit Kungur or Palma, against a railgun. It is just how you look at things. It is all about cash at the end, in the cash mode called MM. When you take out that factor, your Mk5/6 combo and mine would do just fine against anyone, I can guarantee you that. And then, we could do a 1v1 to see if you really would destroy my garage, we would see whos MU-ed combo wins ? (Just kidding of course)

 

EDIT: A rare footage of some bad MM and actual impact I had in one battle, rare though: (I mean we lost but whatever, still okay if you ask me, didn´t screen the entire enemy team though, only our mixed lineup)IMG-20210309-122928.jpg

Playing with Railgun every time will put you into two problems.. First I wonder how you don't get bored by playing with the same turret, I play with 7 turrets and I feel I lack in the turrets and I want to upgrade more I just get quickly bored. Second if the enemies are using protections against Railgun, you're in a trouble. But for me I can easily change my Railgun to any other turret I have.

Battles without Supplies to be honest are sucks, I couldn't play any battle without supplies. Yes I'm f2p and I have a lack on supplies. But the battles without supplies are just extremely boring and cold, really slow. Look about the pro-battles that without supplies and how it last hours before capturing a flag, especially Serpuhov or Noise, they last forever.

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6 hours ago, asem.harbi said:

Playing with Railgun every time will put you into two problems.. First I wonder how you don't get bored by playing with the same turret, I play with 7 turrets and I feel I lack in the turrets and I want to upgrade more I just get quickly bored. Second if the enemies are using protections against Railgun, you're in a trouble. But for me I can easily change my Railgun to any other turret I have.

Battles without Supplies to be honest are sucks, I couldn't play any battle without supplies. Yes I'm f2p and I have a lack on supplies. But the battles without supplies are just extremely boring and cold, really slow. Look about the pro-battles that without supplies and how it last hours before capturing a flag, especially Serpuhov or Noise, they last forever.

I just like the gameplay with railgun, it is very fun and demanding in the same time, I guess it just doesn´t bore me idk. True that about railgun protection. I mean by the time this account hits legend rank, I do plan to have one or two more turrets that can be competitive, also one extra hull. So yeah, it is right what you say about diversity, but as I said, I really don´t have crystals to push other turrets to a competitive-enough level, at least not at this rank.

I have to disagree with you on those no-supplie battles. It looks to me that you haven´t really played many good of those-kind of battles. I played an amazing few matches on Poly CP a day or two ago.

Listen to this. It was a match to 101 CP, I switched teams in the middle of a battle just to equalize teams, later on we saved a 100-83 deficit, 1 point to a lost match! I pulled the team back into lead and we won the match at the end, it was amazing, many nice people who loved it no matter the end result, even though I actually did not earn a single crystal because game kicked me out 30s before the match. end. Just tried to share the great atmosphere on those matches, if you have fairly equal teams, it will always be a top-noch match and high intensity gameplay on those Poly CP battles. Noise is there as well but the map itself isn´t well balanced. You have Island matches, Arena, Serpuhov, Hill, Sandbox (XPBP or regular), all of these without supplies really do produce a great gameplay. Many more maps that kind of got left over because battle list is kinda dead so yeah.

They do last long, that is the point by the way. Not this new concept of "spam supplies, earn quick, rank quick", that is just BS that Tanki forced on us. Game gets boring much faster and skill level iz equivalent to 0 because the actual time you spend in matches is far less than you should.

I watched the video, exactly that what you showed.

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8 hours ago, Stacker said:

I just like the gameplay with railgun, it is very fun and demanding in the same time, I guess it just doesn´t bore me idk. True that about railgun protection. I mean by the time this account hits legend rank, I do plan to have one or two more turrets that can be competitive, also one extra hull. So yeah, it is right what you say about diversity, but as I said, I really don´t have crystals to push other turrets to a competitive-enough level, at least not at this rank.

I have to disagree with you on those no-supplie battles. It looks to me that you haven´t really played many good of those-kind of battles. I played an amazing few matches on Poly CP a day or two ago.

Listen to this. It was a match to 101 CP, I switched teams in the middle of a battle just to equalize teams, later on we saved a 100-83 deficit, 1 point to a lost match! I pulled the team back into lead and we won the match at the end, it was amazing, many nice people who loved it no matter the end result, even though I actually did not earn a single crystal because game kicked me out 30s before the match. end. Just tried to share the great atmosphere on those matches, if you have fairly equal teams, it will always be a top-noch match and high intensity gameplay on those Poly CP battles. Noise is there as well but the map itself isn´t well balanced. You have Island matches, Arena, Serpuhov, Hill, Sandbox (XPBP or regular), all of these without supplies really do produce a great gameplay. Many more maps that kind of got left over because battle list is kinda dead so yeah.

They do last long, that is the point by the way. Not this new concept of "spam supplies, earn quick, rank quick", that is just BS that Tanki forced on us. Game gets boring much faster and skill level iz equivalent to 0 because the actual time you spend in matches is far less than you should.

I watched the video, exactly that what you showed.

For sure it's a personal opinion and yes it's hard to have a multiple turrets in Colonel.

When I talk about the No-supplies matches I exclude any mode than CTF and I exclude xp/bp battles. Because xp/bp and other modes like CP or TDM (which is pretty sucks) don't last long like CTF.

To be honest the (101 CP battle you said) it's CP and it not bad like CTF without supplies imo. Imagine me in Serpuhov, going without supplies to the enemy team walking slowly and they all are watching me taking the flag?  You have the answer, for sure I wont capture it. And repeating this many times will give me an easily a K/D of 50 deaths and a few kills, getting wrecked and crushed by the players who are just sitting and shooting with Thunder non-stopping. Why did I have to give them free kills, walking in the middle while I get sniped by all of the turrets. And repeating this thing many times in a cold and sucks battle will just be an extremely boring and give you a death after death. I'm the one who trying without stopping to capture the flag, and in these battles I die many many many times, while the other players are just grinding the kills and even they forgot that the game is CTF either my teammates or enemies.      Island - Arena - Hill are a small maps, Sandbox is also a small and mostly xp/bp so they're all finishing faster. But Heck, how you dare to say Noise. Have you ever played in the blue team (the lower team) and get blasted 24/7 by Magnums? they just spreading their shots in your base nonstopping without any tiring.

Supplies are a main character of Tanki and it's one of the game components from its initials.. Please note when I talk about supplies it isn't not like when I talk about Overdrives. Overdrives is just a sucks thing for the noobs to give them a free kill and I strongly disagree. 

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I have rank Brigadier but I have gs just 5600 how can I play with someone who have gs 9999 ? This game is no longer the fact that if you get a better rank then you're stronger now it's just about gear score if someone who is Warrant Officer 5 have 8700gear score and kill me with 2shots.
Change the game so that in MM it searches according to the gear score and not according to the rank.
 

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2 hours ago, FEDO said:
 

Topic merged.

The issue has been reported to the devs already.

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16 hours ago, asem.harbi said:

1. Imagine me in Serpuhov, going without supplies to the enemy team walking slowly and they all are watching me taking the flag?  You have the answer, for sure I wont capture it. And repeating this many times will give me an easily a K/D of 50 deaths and a few kills, getting wrecked and crushed by the players who are just sitting and shooting with Thunder non-stopping. Why did I have to give them free kills, walking in the middle while I get sniped by all of the turrets. And repeating this thing many times in a cold and sucks battle will just be an extremely boring and give you a death after death. I'm the one who trying without stopping to capture the flag, and in these battles I die many many many times, while the other players are just grinding the kills and even they forgot that the game is CTF either my teammates or enemies.

2. But Heck, how you dare to say Noise. Have you ever played in the blue team (the lower team) and get blasted 24/7 by Magnums? they just spreading their shots in your base nonstopping without any tiring.

3. Supplies are a main character of Tanki and it's one of the game components from its initials.. Please note when I talk about supplies it isn't not like when I talk about Overdrives. Overdrives is just a sucks thing for the noobs to give them a free kill and I strongly disagree. 

1. I agree, I actually never played Serpuhov CTF no supplies, I just mentioned it because it used to be popular among people for, to me, unknown reason.

2. As I stated, Noise is unbalanced. Used to be popular as well, before magnum was added, as I mentioned magnum is one of the core problems and a reason that many maps started to be unbalanced and required bunch of new map changes. See the pattern. They add stuff, that stuff carries new problems that later need fixing (patching), they patch those and those are just unwanted changes that no one asked for. So with each "new" update, we get problems, instability, more unbalanced gameplay and "new" stuff that no one wanted in first place.

3. They are main part, but today the only part of the game, where they give them away for free, promoting their consumption and reducing their worth. Overdrives are just an example of "no one asked for it" update as well.

4 hours ago, FEDO said:
I have rank Brigadier but I have gs just 5600 how can I play with someone who have gs 9999 ? This game is no longer the fact that if you get a better rank then you're stronger now it's just about gear score if someone who is Warrant Officer 5 have 8700gear score and kill me with 2shots.
Change the game so that in MM it searches according to the gear score and not according to the rank.
 

That is exactly the goal of Tanki development, to destroy ranking system and to make any rank worthless, as you said, you can be WO5 and have a gear score of legend, you will be matched against othe WOs and be 1st every time. They will patch this by MM that looks at GS instead of rank, thus patch the core issue with creating a new one, instead of fixing that issue. Patching won´t improve a thing. What you request is exactly what needs to be done to patch the issue but what is next? No ranks?

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It's taking three or four times as long to log an get into the lobby.  It takes forever to load just the login page...like two or three minutes, just to get the login page.   Then it can take four or even five minutes to actually access your account.  Many times you end up in an infinite loading screen.   Over all, I'd say it is averaging more than seven minutes to login from bringing up a browser to spawning in your lobby.

That is way too long.  It was bad yesterday, but is impossible today.

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Stacker said:

1. I agree, I actually never played Serpuhov CTF no supplies, I just mentioned it because it used to be popular among people for, to me, unknown reason.

2. As I stated, Noise is unbalanced. Used to be popular as well, before magnum was added, as I mentioned magnum is one of the core problems and a reason that many maps started to be unbalanced and required bunch of new map changes. See the pattern. They add stuff, that stuff carries new problems that later need fixing (patching), they patch those and those are just unwanted changes that no one asked for. So with each "new" update, we get problems, instability, more unbalanced gameplay and "new" stuff that no one wanted in first place.

3. They are main part, but today the only part of the game, where they give them away for free, promoting their consumption and reducing their worth. Overdrives are just an example of "no one asked for it" update as well.

That is exactly the goal of Tanki development, to destroy ranking system and to make any rank worthless, as you said, you can be WO5 and have a gear score of legend, you will be matched against othe WOs and be 1st every time. They will patch this by MM that looks at GS instead of rank, thus patch the core issue with creating a new one, instead of fixing that issue. Patching won´t improve a thing. What you request is exactly what needs to be done to patch the issue but what is next? No ranks?

G/S does not always mean a strong garage.

Doing a ranking system according to G/S would create really BIG problems.

The entire way MM is set up has to be dismantled and a new better balanced system put in place, G/S is only a part of it.

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22 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

1. G/S does not always mean a strong garage.

2. Doing a ranking system according to G/S would create really BIG problems.

3. The entire way MM is set up has to be dismantled and a new better balanced system put in place, G/S is only a part of it.

Sorry for adding numbers, I only do it so you don´t misunderstand me.

1. Strong garage has nothing to do with having an overpowered combo that will get you 1st place by miles in a MM battle. So I believe it does matter, GS only highlights the equipment OP-ness of a certain combo.

2. It absolutely would, that is what I am saying. But right now, I don´t see how else would they patch the problem, only if they want to just leave it like that. Their main problem is lack of players so players can´t be matched according to their GS and rank, only by rank now, sometimes not even that, as we all know you can meet legends in WOs.

3. True. They just need players to actually create the system that can group them. When they don´t have enough players like now, no system will work. See, they f****d them selves with those updates, now even MM can´t work and they need a new one ?

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