the good old days

[tiger9roil 6]

Oh I remember the days... the days when you could pick what map you wanted, join 15, 30 and 60 minute games, when you could log on on a Saturday afternoon and have 100+ THOUSAND players online, when shaft didn't have the stupid laser and wobbled when you scoped it, when ISIDA HAD SELF REPAIR!!!, when Vulcan didn't exist thank God they balanced it, when drones and dum overdrives didn't exist, why devs? just why. And I remember when you didn't have to wait for the game to pick what match you were going to be in, when you actually saw maps like nightmare, silence, the sniper one where you lined up and shot each other, esplanade, 2042 now that was a fun one, noise, superhofe (i don't even remember how to spell it its been so long) the list goes on, when you could find the secret hidey places and sneak around, Ah yes, those were the days. I wonder, how much revenue the devs have lost since then. I will say i don't hate everything new, augments are great, containers are great, the missions actually made the game playable without buying after warrant 2, the monthly challenge: awesome, striker is one of my favorite turrets have it with the one shot lock modification,   I have three accounts and bought on all of them but until the game gets a serious re-do, it's just not worth it. IDK if anyone can tell but I'm an American, the devs have taken away our choices, and have tried to force new ideas on us similar to what is going on in my country right now. So i ask, anyone who sees this, repost, like tell your fellow tankers, make this discussion #1. and Devs, if you see this, PLEASE give us back the old tanki all of us veterans remember and love.

Edited May 1, 2021 by Maf

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

Oh I remember the days... the days when you could pick what map you wanted, join 15, 30 and 60 minute games,

Well, that's only for pro-battles, not in the old battle lists before matchmaking.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

 when you could log on on a Saturday afternoon and have 100+ THOUSAND players online,

Anything would experience its golden age and decline is inevitable. Plus the updates we are getting took the toll even harder.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

when shaft didn't have the stupid laser and wobbled when you scoped it,

Shaft's laser is needed anyway or it would be real OP. Even with laser, most Shafts learnt to hide them and score a kill in a split second. And what else, protection against it was common back then as well.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

when ISIDA HAD SELF REPAIR!!!

Its vampirism made a return, but as an Exotic auggy (a diminutive term for me to say "augment") that you have to spam Ultra Containers to get it.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

when Vulcan didn't exist

Well, Vulcan was balanced until the Heat Immunity +Incendiary Band exploit made it real OP.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

when drones and dum overdrives didn't exist

You have no idea that the old overdrive was far from balanced as well. Just have a whole team with their OD ready, chain-spam them to each other and still cause crazy blowouts on the other team. The current overdrive did alter the gamestyle, as a debatable issue. Good thing though, the current overdrive is accessible to every tankers.

Drones in the other hand, they are a lot more controversial and debatable. Some drones like Brutus, Driver, Assault and couple others are balanced, they do alter one's gameplay style but keeps the balance such a thing. Booster, Defender, Crisis and few others in the another hand are the real game-breakers, knocked out game balance as you mentioned.

And because the recent nerf to Double Power and Armor, you will need Drones to power them back to pre-nerfed state. That is if you can at least invest 500k crystals for Brutus, which unfortunately will hurt lower-rank players and to those who refuse to touch Drones.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

why devs? just why.

Sometime I look back what they done as well.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

And I remember when you didn't have to wait for the game to pick what match you were going to be in, when you actually saw maps like nightmare, silence, the sniper one where you lined up and shot each other, Esplanade, 2042 now that was a fun one, Noise, Serpuhov.

Things moving on... is a tragic yet cannot be avoided.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

Ah yes, those were the days. I wonder, how much revenue the devs have lost since then.

Based on the 100k+ players online as you mentioned to now, I predict Alternativa lost over 50% on their potential income. 

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

I will say I don't hate everything new, augments are great, containers are great, the missions actually made the game playable without buying after WO2, the monthly challenge: awesome, Striker is one of my favorite turrets have it with the one shot lock modification, 

I mean back then, augments were used to be known as "Alternations". Certain augments are fine, but others needs heavy rebalancing. Shard Container update was the beacon of hope to bridge the F2P-P2W gap. Striker before the recent buff was fine as it is until its Crit hit deals 2x of the normal damage (real OP BTW). And yes, Striker is also one of ma dude with Cyclone/Uranium equipped.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

 I have three accounts and bought on all of them but until the game gets a serious re-do, it's just not worth it.

I do know someone in this forum have 4 accounts and he is babysitting them very well as a F2P. 

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

IDK if anyone can tell but I'm an American,

Mainland Chinese here but my account is EU server based.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

the devs have taken away our choices,

So based on what I heard from their VLog, developer do claim that they listen to players' feedback. The main issue is: who's feedback they are listening to?

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

and have tried to force new ideas on us similar to what is going on in my country right now.

Keeping the old and rejecting the new is also not really a smart way to progress through. I mean, old but gold, as the term that we know.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

So I ask, anyone who sees this, repost, like tell your fellow tankers, make this discussion #1.

Everyone wants their topic to be in the top spot, like no kidding.

37 minutes ago, tiger9roil said:

and Devs, if you see this, PLEASE give us back the old Tanki all of us veterans remember and love.

The definition of "old Tanki" is very hard, if not, impossible to settle. Everyone has their own opinions of what was their "old Tanki". And even if dev is willing to bring back "old Tanki", we will have players bickering to each other of what and which "old Tanki" was the best and should be rejuvenated.

Edited May 1, 2021 by FrozenRailgun

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, tiger9roil said:

the days when you could pick what map you wanted

This is 100% possible to add in the game. You pick the map and wait for the matchmaking to put you and similar players in that map.

Unfortunately, Tanki only has like 1000-4000 players playing battles at a given moment, spread over 30 ranks or so. So, it won't work until Tanki becomes way, way, wayyy more popular.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

shaft didn't have the stupid laser and wobbled when you scoped it

So if Shaft had no laser....

Would you rather continue using your Isida and Ricochet or would you immediately switch to Shaft and invest in it?

Just now, tiger9roil said:

when ISIDA HAD SELF REPAIR!!!

This can be added back into the game as a balanced Alteration.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

when Vulcan didn't exist thank God they balanced it

Yeah, as you said, they balanced it. I guess it's 100% fine for it to exist now.
All they need to do is delete Heat Immunity and it'll be completely fine.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

when drones and dum overdrives didn't exist, why devs? just why

Agreed, just delete the overdrives. Or nerf them to oblivion so you can't be 100% godmode when using them.

As for the drones, they can be reworked to be more balanced and less buyer-friendly. Some improvements can be:

• Reduction of upgrade costs
• Reduction of initial prices
• Balance all the drones to be equal with each other (preferably nerf the strong ones, that way we won't die as fast against them in battles)
• Remove the extra supplies being consumed
• Remove batteries so drones can work no matter what

Just now, tiger9roil said:

And I remember when you didn't have to wait for the game to pick what match you were going to be in, when you actually saw maps like nightmare, silence, the sniper one where you lined up and shot each other, esplanade, 2042 now that was a fun one, noise, superhofe (i don't even remember how to spell it its been so long) the list goes on, when you could find the secret hidey places and sneak around

Yeah, we need more maps in matchmaking. 

Just now, tiger9roil said:

augments are great

You talking about Alterations or Augments?

Cause alterations were the ones that allowed you to continue using the Default turret if you didn't have the crystals to buy an alt. Because the Default turret would be just as good as it's alterations, most of the time.

Or Augments, which half of them are direct upgrades to the turrets, and so unbalanced that owning a Legendary or Exotic Augment gives you no reason at all to use the default or the Rare and Epic Augments.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

containers are great

One of the best updates ever :)

Just now, tiger9roil said:

the missions actually made the game playable without buying after warrant 2

2014 is highly overrated. It was too grindy without missions.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

the monthly challenge: awesome

Actually it sucked because it was so hard to finish the challenge and you needed to have no life and a premium account to finish it. And even though it was so hard to finish, the developers still nerfed the weekly mission rewards in 2019 as "compensation" for the new challenges, which completely sucked because casual players didn't manage to earn enough tiers that they could replace the lost weekly mission regular containers.

 

But, after October 2020 when stars was added to missions, then the Challenges did become awesome. Casuals can now finish the challenge by playing 3 missions a day. It's sad that the devs waited 20 months to fix it.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

striker is one of my favorite turrets have it with the one shot lock modification

Most underrated turret XD

 

Still though, I hate that it got massively buffed recently even though it was already perfectly balanced.

Just now, tiger9roil said:

IDK if anyone can tell but I'm an American

Me too 

 

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

So based on what I heard from their VLog, developer do claim that they listen to players' feedback. The main issue is: who's feedback they are listening to?

The 50 or so buyers that are willing to spend their life savings in the game:

Buyers: "We'll keep funding you as long as you make us the top players in the game. Give us something to work with."

Developers: "Okay. Well, since everyone wants Isida's vampirism back, we'll add it in as a new Alteration in Ultra containers. Only we'll buff it so it's really insanely broken and OP. You can buy the containers and we'll give you one of the strongest Alterations we ever made."

Buyers: "Okay, thanks! We'll go on the forums and youtube and say this new alt is really cool and dope so that other players will get the impression that you developers actually listen to players."

Each Buyer proceeds to buy $1000 dollars worth of ultra containers. Because there are 50 buyers and 1000 dollars is coming from each, this is enough to fund the developers' salary for the next few weeks. 

Buyers: "You devs know once the non-buyers find out this alteration is OP, then they will quit the game, right?"

Developers: "Oh yeah, you're right. What should we do to fix it then?"

Buyers: "Just nerf the alteration in one year. But by that time, make sure you release something else that's also OP so we can have a replacement item to use to help us be the top players. We're 100% willing to fund for it."

Also Buyers: "Or you can also make a new exclusive hull augment or something that cancels out the vampirism effect. We'd love to buy it with real money and it will serve as an illusion to the non-buyers that you guys know what you're doing when balancing the game."

Developers: "Sure thing. And the players can't complain that we don't listen to them, because we actually did listen. You buyers also count as players of the game."

Buyers: "We know :)"

 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

1 minute ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

Buyers: "We'll keep funding you as long as you make us the top players in the game. Give us something to work with."

Gonna be honest here, that used to be me. Heck, the last time I spent ma dollars on this game was in June 2019 for the Centaur kit (which is equivalent to today's Piranha kit).

3 minutes ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

Developers: "Okay. Well, since everyone wants Isida's vampirism back, we'll add it in as a new Alteration in Ultra containers. Only we'll buff it so it's really insanely broken and OP. You can buy the containers and we'll give you one of the strongest Alterations we ever made."

Balancing OP items using paywall as a countermeasure... did not work. And widen the gap between F2P-P2W.

3 minutes ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

Buyers: "Okay, thanks! We'll go on the forums and youtube and say this new alt is really cool and dope so that other players will get the impression that you developers actually listen to players."

*Gulp* So Alternativa only listen to buyers??? Not a good move man.

4 minutes ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

Each Buyer proceeds to buy $1000 dollars worth of ultra containers. Because there are 50 buyers and 1000 dollars is coming from each, this is enough to fund the developers' salary for the next few weeks. 

Meanwhile F2Ps are getting clapped repetitively...

8 minutes ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

Buyers: "You devs know once the non-buyers find out this alteration is OP, then they will quit the game, right?"

Developers: "Oh yeah, you're right. What should we do to fix it then?"

Buyers: "Just nerf the alteration in one year. But by that time, make sure you release something else that's also OP so we can have a replacement item to use to help us be the top players. We're 100% willing to fund for it."

Also Buyers: "Or you can also make a new exclusive hull augment or something that cancels out the vampirism effect. We'd love to buy it with real money and it will serve as an illusion to the non-buyers that you guys know what you're doing when balancing the game."

Developers: "Sure thing. And the players can't complain that we don't listen to them, because we actually did listen. You buyers also count as players of the game."

Buyers: "We know :)"

Another red flag man...

Holy crap... *Dumbfounded for 5 seconds* The way you described the scenario is a lot more grave than I thought. This means that buyers have the ultimate power as much as Alternativa do. Jesus man... I seriously need to figure a way to handle this as an ex-buyer.

 

[alkyng 3,080]

Yes I remember, the fun in the past was way more than it's now. Isida self-heal was a fun, regardless if it's OP or not (I don't see btw). They have killed the fun from the smallest things in the game..

Matchmaking maps are just pretty sucks now and completely perfect, you can't go nowhere than the battleground, you have to face the players face to face, all of the maps now whatever they differ from each others they still have the same concept and the same playrole. Though it seems a balanced and a good thing, but it killed the fun.

In example I remember before a years there was a hidden place in Polygon, I remember I go to it hundreds of times with my Wasp-Railgun in DM mode. And it was generate me a good number of kills, there was also many players who struggling and fighting each others to reach the place. The one who reach it is the winner to get this amount of kills.   This was a video of mine trying to kill a Hornet-Shaft who want to go to that place in 2013

And I remember there was also a hidden place in Highland map. Now Matchmaking is in a lack of the interesting maps, and even if they returned a map after a long ages of waiting, they do deliberately a horrible edits to make it suitable and perfect for MM. 

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

Gonna be honest here, that used to be me. Heck, the last time I spent ma dollars on this game was in June 2019 for the Centaur kit (which is equivalent to today's Piranha kit).

Hey, at least you spent it on something useful.

I used 40 dollars just to buy enough tankcoins for a clan pass XD

#BiggestWasteOfMyLife?

#SorryDad

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

Balancing OP items using paywall as a countermeasure... did not work. And widen the gap between F2P-P2W.

If the developers stop now, the gap will finally close in 10-20 years, when by then, the F2P people would've had enough time to open enough Ultra Containers to have a substantial amount of Legendary/Exotic stuff in their garages.

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

*Gulp* So Alternativa only listen to buyers??? Not a good move man.

Yep

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

Meanwhile F2Ps are getting clapped repetitively...

Exactly.

FunFact: I was playing the festive DM mode and since buyer Drones are disabled, I always got first place. 

It's so far the only gamemode we have right now that depends purely on skill and how balanced the default equipment/alterations are. There's no Crisis to help buyers there XD.

Just now, FrozenRailgun said:

Another red flag man...

Holy crap... *Dumbfounded for 5 seconds* The way you described the scenario is a lot more grave than I thought. This means that buyers have the ultimate power as much as Alternativa do. Jesus man... I seriously need to figure a way to handle this as an ex-buyer.

Money is power, as they say.

 

[LONDON.ENGLAND 302]

All fun and games until you play an hour long battle and the last 10 minutes a clan joins and takes over getting the majority of funds haha 

[wild001 1,424]

On 5/1/2021 at 2:35 PM, LONDON.ENGLAND said:

All fun and games until you play an hour long battle and the last 10 minutes a clan joins and takes over getting the majority of funds haha 

the old fund raiding clan, good fun for raiding side but not on the receiving side, lol

  * the "mult" drop technique to weaken enemy side

  * the old isida train in silence CTF

  * the crash of game in last min of 60 minute battle.

buy XT with crystal

Edited May 1, 2021 by wild001

[tiger9roil 6]

On 5/1/2021 at 3:07 PM, wild001 said:

buy XT with crystal

oh i remember that screen

 

On 5/1/2021 at 7:27 AM, Tanker-Arthur said:

This is 100% possible to add in the game. You pick the map and wait for the matchmaking to put you and similar players in that map.

Unfortunately, Tanki only has like 1000-4000 players playing battles at a given moment, spread over 30 ranks or so. So, it won't work until Tanki becomes way, way, wayyy more popular.

 

 

yeah uhmm tanki used to have so many players that not finding a battle you wanted to be in was impossible

 

so i was looking at the new ultra containers(i haven't played in about a year) and the Striker augment looks supremely broken also the vampirism doesn't look too stupid because isida was broken to begin with but that's what made it fun

back when Isida was original, the self healing was insane. You could go up to a much bigger tank and destroy them especially if they had slow turret traverse i will admit it was a little broken but now... now it's just sad because you HAVE to P2P to get something that originally was in the game

I remember one of the last things i bought before i quit was the isida m2 hornet m2 fracture paint kit, man that was a sexy tank and then i would sit at the bottom of noise and heal my teammates as enemies dropped on top of us. Oh it was so fun sure i died, but that's all part of the game

[LambSauce 1,891]

13 hours ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

The 50 or so buyers that are willing to spend their life savings in the game:

Buyers: "We'll keep funding you as long as you make us the top players in the game. Give us something to work with."

Developers: "Okay. Well, since everyone wants Isida's vampirism back, we'll add it in as a new Alteration in Ultra containers. Only we'll buff it so it's really insanely broken and OP. You can buy the containers and we'll give you one of the strongest Alterations we ever made."

Buyers: "Okay, thanks! We'll go on the forums and youtube and say this new alt is really cool and dope so that other players will get the impression that you developers actually listen to players."

Each Buyer proceeds to buy $1000 dollars worth of ultra containers. Because there are 50 buyers and 1000 dollars is coming from each, this is enough to fund the developers' salary for the next few weeks. 

Buyers: "You devs know once the non-buyers find out this alteration is OP, then they will quit the game, right?"

Developers: "Oh yeah, you're right. What should we do to fix it then?"

Buyers: "Just nerf the alteration in one year. But by that time, make sure you release something else that's also OP so we can have a replacement item to use to help us be the top players. We're 100% willing to fund for it."

Also Buyers: "Or you can also make a new exclusive hull augment or something that cancels out the vampirism effect. We'd love to buy it with real money and it will serve as an illusion to the non-buyers that you guys know what you're doing when balancing the game."

Developers: "Sure thing. And the players can't complain that we don't listen to them, because we actually did listen. You buyers also count as players of the game."

Buyers: "We know :)"

 

Someone translate this to Russian and send it to Hazel, please. And thank you.

[Snafu 139]

On 5/1/2021 at 8:39 AM, LambSauce said:

Someone translate this to Russian and send it to Hazel, please. And thank you.

He can read English just fine. He even learnt few words! Like 'So toxic'. On the other hand, Hazel (Semen Strigak) is the dude responsible for all this. The best thing would be to just fire him.

[Snafu 139]

On 4/30/2021 at 5:28 PM, tiger9roil said:

why devs? just why.

Here is why - devs made 3 big bets:

• mobile - cuz everybody has a phone!
• MM - because of mobile and because it's simpler and more fair, in theory
• gameplay variety - new hulls, turrets, alts, drones, etc. - because players always ask for it (supposedly)

Turns out, all three went against the original game philosophy and vision, effectively killing it. Players got pissed and left. The current team just don't get it. I wish they sold the project to some startup.

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

4 hours ago, Snafu said:

 

Not ok man.

[dogm45 10,593]

The good old days when my Mammoth ran like a Hornet. I was playing the game around 2009 as a guest before I created an account. Then someone wanted me to join the forum so I did in 2012. I just came back and noticed a lot of players rely on their technology more than skill but I'm not judging, It's a new time and day things change. I remember being in battles for hours it's was a blast there were some great battles we had back then. I guarantee you I owned the battlefield back then a long with some other great players. Yes I remember the good old days they were awesome!!! 

Spoiler

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by dogm45

[LambSauce 1,891]

6 hours ago, Snafu said:

He can read English just fine. He even learnt few words! Like 'So toxic'. On the other hand, Hazel (Semen Strigak) is the dude responsible for all this. The best thing would be to just fire him.

At first I thought you misspelled his name, then I realised why you wrote it like that  

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

1 minute ago, LambSauce said:

At first I thought you misspelled his name, then I realised why you wrote it like that  

It's an insult to Opex-Rah that's why.

[Russty 368]

Even though I would love the old version of the game back, I feel like it wouldn't be the exact same. I'm sure the game will definitely be better in certain ways but there are some things you can't bring back (e.g all those players who are now gone). The atmosphere was just so different back then and it'd be almost impossible to replicate that.

Even age would prevent you from having that enjoyable feeling. I woke up on Saturday morning to play several battles with my good friends. I was stress free with almost no work and living well. I'm older now and life has changed. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone but I'm just trying to get across the point that the feeling of playing the old game MAY NOT be the same as it once was.

The game may end up being more enjoyable than it currently is though 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Russty

[LambSauce 1,891]

16 minutes ago, Russty said:

 

I often tell myself the same thing.

A lot of what you described is actually nostalgia.

[Snafu 139]

4 hours ago, FrozenRailgun said:

It's an insult to Opex-Rah that's why.

Wow it's funny Believe it or not but I meant no insult. Semen is a perfectly valid name and a direct transliteration from Cyrillic. But if you think it's insulting I'm totally cool with that 

[Snafu 139]

On 5/1/2021 at 2:05 AM, LONDON.ENGLAND said:

All fun and games until you play an hour long battle and the last 10 minutes a clan joins and takes over getting the majority of funds haha 

You probably joined the game after the 60/30/15 minutes limits were introduced. Before that you could play for many hours (999 flags CTF anybody?) and get raided by a clan. Sometimes  even one clan could setup a honeypot trap 'battles' for other clans. Where is all that fun now 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

3 hours ago, Snafu said:

Wow it's funny Believe it or not but I meant no insult. Semen is a perfectly valid name and a direct transliteration from Cyrillic

Oh... Didn't know that 

[Russty 368]

On 5/3/2021 at 10:19 PM, Snafu said:

You probably joined the game after the 60/30/15 minutes limits were introduced. Before that you could play for many hours (999 flags CTF anybody?) and get raided by a clan. Sometimes  even one clan could setup a honeypot trap 'battles' for other clans. Where is all that fun now 

Lol that reminds me of a legendary battle I had several years ago. I'll try and keep it short. I was playing on the Platforms map, 300 flags. The battle was great. Two full teams properly fighting it out for victory. Everyone in the battle had M1 or M2 equipment. After a while, my team began to dominate and we began to capture flags continuously. Players from the enemy team slowly left and by the time we had captured 200 flags (they had around 60), their whole team had left. As a team (when everyone spoke the same language and could understand each other...), we decided to end the battle and share the fund between ourselves. We captured around 5 flags and suddenly, a whole gang of M3s joined and brutally destroyed our tanks, non-stop. They were just too powerful for us. I remember some huge Mammoth and Twins (M3) slowly approaching our base and flag. Our whole team gathered together and fired everything we had at this monster. It was 7 vs 1. His teammates were on the top floors, ready to jump down and help him take the flag back to their base. No matter what we did, we couldn't defeat this tank. This was when we realised we had NO chance at winning the battle. The Mammoth destroyed us all and his teammates jumped down and occupied our base. We captured a few more flags because of great teamwork and outsmarting them at times, but it wasn't enough. They dominated and captured around 240 flags. I was proud of myself and the team for staying in the battle and still trying. We honestly did our best. Although we lost, I made many great memories, had a lot of fun and made many friends (I even knew some of them up until 2019/2020, when they finally left the game). Those battles were awesome. So much action... so much fun. It's the one thing I truly miss about Tanki. Playing battles with a great story behind them.

[Snafu 139]

9 hours ago, Russty said:

It's the one thing I truly miss about Tanki. Playing battles with a great story behind them.

Exactly. No skins, paints or whatever else devs invented recently can replace the adrenaline of tooth and nail fighting. How is this not obvious to Alternativa is beyond me.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

19 minutes ago, Snafu said:

No skins, paints or whatever else devs invented recently can replace the adrenaline of tooth and nail fighting. How is this not obvious to Alternativa is beyond me.

Content sells.