removal of micro upgrade button does not benefit any player.

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

You are about to get marshal rank, smoky m6, with 9 upgrades, and you have 28500 crystals. 
You decide you'll play a game to get those last 500 crystals for the upgrade to have free m7.
You rank up in that battle. Now to get m7 you need to pay 150k crystals instead of 29k for exactly the same upgrade.

You may say `oh, but tanki will make it cheaper the more upgrades you have already` WRONG!
Cost of last 2 upgrades for smoky m6, including speed-ups is over 160k, the price of the piece is 150k. You will not get discounts.
Even if you have 1 upgrade on your smoky m6, micro upgrades are still cheaper if you micro upgrade, because all cost combined in micro upgrades is the same as the full upgrade. Tanki assumes you're ready to pour in hundreds of dollars, and you won't waste a second and in microupgrades ull spend 450k, instead of 150k, as shown in the video they announced it.

[cosmic666 1,055]

27 minutes ago, MEDlC_DageLV said:

You are about to get marshal rank, smoky m6, with 9 upgrades, and you have 28500 crystals. 
You decide you'll play a game to get those last 500 crystals for the upgrade to have free m7.
You rank up in that battle. Now to get m7 you need to pay 150k crystals instead of 29k for exactly the same upgrade.

You may say `oh, but tanki will make it cheaper the more upgrades you have already` WRONG!
Cost of last 2 upgrades for smoky m6, including speed-ups is over 160k, the price of the piece is 150k. You will not get discounts.
Even if you have 1 upgrade on your smoky m6, micro upgrades are still cheaper if you micro upgrade, because all cost combined in micro upgrades is the same as the full upgrade. Tanki assumes you're ready to pour in hundreds of dollars, and you won't waste a second and in microupgrades ull spend 450k, instead of 150k, as shown in the video they announced it.

I have a marshal account, every protection is at MK6 4/5. Have been waiting for the right time to do the final step on each module for quite awhile now.

The devs do not care about players, not if they can potentially make money, so shafting players with this blatant crystal sucking idea has probably earned the dev who came up with this idea a nice little earner in his pay check.

Stands to reason that i will not be doing the last upgrade.... EVER.

[alkyng 3,080]

For me I'm not curios about micro upgrading before Mk7, I just upgrade the item once it become available. Sometimes you upgrading your item and in middle of upgrading you reach the rank for the new Mk.. I can basically upgrade it to the new level, but you will wait to not waste your halfway effort.

But about Tanki assuming, I see it's and I'm really sorry for the word "trashtalk". Drones and Overdrives are more complicated than this button, oh and the Augments also.

Spoiler

It's completely obvious that my Dictator is Mk4-5. I can upgrade it manually Mk4-6 , Mk4-7. Or I can directly buy the next upgrade Mk5-0.

Except if Tanki want to make the game foolish and goofy and stupid friendly. I'm Asem, I'm not stupid, but it took from me a hard while to understand the drones/battery mechanics. You can call me stupid. But you can't ever convince me about a good regular player, who check the Wiki and understand your drones mechanics but not know that Mk4-6 is weaker than Mk5, and find it complicated.

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

55 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

For me I'm not curios about micro upgrading before Mk7, I just upgrade the item once it become available. Sometimes you upgrading your item and in middle of upgrading you reach the rank for the new Mk.. I can basically upgrade it to the new level, but you will wait to not waste your halfway effort.

But about Tanki assuming, I see it's and I'm really sorry for the word "trashtalk". Drones and Overdrives are more complicated than this button, oh and the Augments also.

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It's completely obvious that my Dictator is Mk4-5. I can upgrade it manually Mk4-6 , Mk4-7. Or I can directly buy the next upgrade Mk5-0.

Except if Tanki want to make the game foolish and goofy and stupid friendly. I'm Asem, I'm not stupid, but it took from me a hard while to understand the drones/battery mechanics. You can call me stupid. But you can't ever convince me about a good regular player, who check the Wiki and understand your drones mechanics but not know that Mk4-6 is weaker than Mk5, and find it complicated.

i was gonna say ive used maybe like 5 or so batteries and still got no clue how they work, turns out ive used 500 of them and still dont know how they work, drones sometimes seem to activate at random times, etc, so i just dont use em.

I checked how much drones ive used... ive used a drone for about 6 minutes. I used 500 bateries in 6 minutes....

Spoiler

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by MEDlC_DageLV

[SporkZilla 1,775]

@MEDlC_DageLV

Drones use 1 battery per minute when you equip them

This is separate from the Drone's cool down time, so my Engineer Drone (10 second cool down time) doesn't use a battery every time I pick up a supply drop

(the time usage counter for Drones in players' profiles is broken)

I don't think this update was necessary, even though it simplifies the UI

Players should be able to upgrade items in their own time instead of having to worry about reaching the unlock rank before something is fully upgraded

Like @cosmic666, I was going to wait until the next 50% sale on MUs (probably three weeks tomorrow) before I finished upgrading some modules to MK6/5 from MK 6/4 on this account

But I upgraded them during the last 30% sale instead, costing 50,000+ crystals more (four modules) than it would have been in a 50% sale, because this account will probably rank up to Marshall during the next three weeks

(they will finish upgrading in 1d 04h)

It still might not get to Marshall, but I was worried about starting the upgrade in June and wasting even more crystals because the upgrade wouldn't be finished (takes almost 14 days) before the update

This is so unfair on Marshall + players that weren't in a hurry to finish upgrading Mk6 equipment

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by SporkZilla

[Poppy 422]

But you can't get the next mk for free if you reach the rank for it before making mkx-10

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

2 minutes ago, beachhouse said:

But you can't get the next mk for free if you reach the rank for it before making mkx-10

yes.
If you have the gear to 9 upgrades, ure paying a small proportion of it not the full cost.
Each time you microupgrade you pay a small slice, all adding up to the full price. when upgrading youre not paying 10 times the full price of that item. I do know ive given an awful idea to tanki which they may use, each microupgrade on smoky m6 costs 150k.... i wouldnt be suprised if tanki did it.

[alkyng 3,080]

1 hour ago, MEDlC_DageLV said:

i was gonna say ive used maybe like 5 or so batteries and still got no clue how they work, turns out ive used 500 of them and still dont know how they work, drones sometimes seem to activate at random times, etc, so i just dont use em.

I checked how much drones ive used... ive used a drone for about 6 minutes. I used 500 bateries in 6 minutes....

Drones are basically consume 1 battery per-minute

Every drone have its own character and indicators, when someone use Booster you can see an icon above him behind the double damage. If someone use Defender, you can see also a special icon. Blaster drone, can can make an explosion after the player die. Your Trooper drone can give you a temporarily full supplies when you respawn.

They're more complicated, but this is in general. Seems a bit harder than Upgrade button

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

This is truly a horrible update.

 

Also, I believe the developers are doing it to encourage more people to spend tankcoins/crystals on Product kits in the shop, instead of Micro-Upgrading. 

That's just my theory.

[wild001 1,424]

just dont MU until you get mk7,

the difference between mk is so tiny after they did breakup the m0-m1-m2-m3 gap.

it is just to discourage free player from upgrade at low ranks,

so buyer can have better advantage with mu max to next level,

the whole recent update of supply is to give buyer more advantage, so they can enjoy better to support tanki.

wait till legend rank, the level will be better balance when everyone is maxed.

[Maf 32,306]

On 5/15/2021 at 11:57 AM, MEDlC_DageLV said:

You are about to get marshal rank, smoky m6, with 9 upgrades, and you have 28500 crystals. 
You decide you'll play a game to get those last 500 crystals for the upgrade to have free m7.
You rank up in that battle. Now to get m7 you need to pay 150k crystals instead of 29k for exactly the same upgrade.

Well, if you already got into that situation, then your best bet is to just wait for a daily mission with a crystal reward that doesn't require you to gain experience, i.e. finish a battle or pick up supply boxes. Yes, it would cause you to "mult" in battles, but this is no longer banable, and MM is full of such players anyway.

Actually, forget that. With the shard update you can just wait a day or two and open free containers, from which you're quite likely to get 3500 crystals or more. 

But the update wasn't meant to benefit players financially. It's meant to simplify the UI and make it less confusing for new players, at the expense of making equipment upgrading less flexible.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

20 minutes ago, Maf said:

But the update wasn't meant to benefit players financially. It's meant to simplify the UI and make it less confusing for new players, at the expense of making equipment upgrading less flexible.

I don't think that was any problem with the UI and game-tutorials exist for a reason. They can teach how the game works for newbies. 

[Maf 32,306]

4 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

I don't think that was any problem with the UI and game-tutorials exist for a reason. They can teach how the game works for newbies. 

I agree with you, but our situation is different because we're already familiar with how the upgrading system works. A new user can genuinely find it difficult to grasp, which could contribute to them losing interest in the game.

[alkyng 3,080]

24 minutes ago, Maf said:

Well, if you already got into that situation, then your best bet is to just wait for a daily mission with a crystal reward that doesn't require you to gain experience, i.e. finish a battle or pick up supply boxes. Yes, it would cause you to "mult" in battles, but this is no longer banable, and MM is full of such players anyway.

Regardless of the update. I completely disagree with this. I think for any players, if you near to reach the new rank after the update, just reach it in expense of your lost upgrades. Playing in this way means you take the game more seriously which is disgusting and quickly-boring. Except if your upgrades are like 8/10 so two upgrades left.

For me, I remember in an event I reached 1800/2000 kills. 200 kills left for me, I was really bored and lazy to complete though of the prize. Honestly I left it, nothing force me to complete.

[Maf 32,306]

16 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

Except if your upgrades are like 8/10 so two upgrades left.

But that's exactly the sort of situation the OP is taking about.

Either way, who cares how people choose to play the game. If they want to create 30 accounts and collect a free container on each one of them every day — let them. If they want to spend 10 thousand hours sitting in parkour battles on their one account — let them. Doesn't do any harm to others.

[alkyng 3,080]

27 minutes ago, Maf said:

But that's exactly the sort of situation the OP is taking about.

Either way, who cares how people choose to play the game. If they want to create 30 accounts and collect a free container on each one of them every day — let them. If they want to spend 10 thousand hours sitting in parkour battles on their one account — let them. Doesn't do any harm to others.

I'm not harming anyone by name. I said my opinion/advice in general, if the one don't agree with it, he can give me his opinion or simply ignore it.

[cosmic666 1,055]

52 minutes ago, Maf said:

Well, if you already got into that situation, then your best bet is to just wait for a daily mission with a crystal reward that doesn't require you to gain experience, i.e. finish a battle or pick up supply boxes. Yes, it would cause you to "mult" in battles, but this is no longer banable, and MM is full of such players anyway.

Actually, forget that. With the shard update you can just wait a day or two and open free containers, from which you're quite likely to get 3500 crystals or more. 

But the update wasn't meant to benefit players financially. It's meant to simplify the UI and make it less confusing for new players, at the expense of making equipment upgrading less flexible.

So upgrading a piece of equipment is so complicated for new players the devs thought, hold on lets ditch upgrades and make players just buy the next MK level instead.

And if that particular player does not have the cry, what then. Getting the next MK level is very costly which is why most players just upgrade gradually with no speed ups, BECAUSE it's to EXPENSIVE.

And 3500K cry goes nowhere in this game. Devs changed the upgrading system to obtain more money, nothing to do with keeping it simple for new players.

Why do you spin the obvious untruths the devs bombard us with every time they bring out a update that affects players in a negative way.

You no well enough that the intelligent players that read your posts and that of other mods, dissect it every time and point out the obvious reasons....EVERYTIME. CASH.

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, Maf said:

Actually, forget that. With the shard update you can just wait a day or two and open free containers, from which you're quite likely to get 3500 crystals or more. 

 

Yeah but you'll be sacrificing daily missions which means you'll lose stars from your challenge.

Just now, Maf said:

But the update wasn't meant to benefit players financially. It's meant to simplify the UI and make it less confusing for new players, at the expense of making equipment upgrading less flexible.

Huh....

I mean, would it be way better if the developers did one of the following things:

• Increase the font size so players can easily read what each button says
• Change the colors of the Upgrade and Micro-Upgrade buttons so they will better contrast each other so that players can easily tell the difference between the two
• Add a confirmation pop-up whenever you press the micro-upgrade button so you don't accidentally micro-upgrade things you don't want

I mean, they could've done one of the aforementioned things and it would benefit both new and old players. And at the same time, keep the upgrade system as flexible as it always has been for the past 5 or 6 years.

Edited May 17, 2021 by Tanker-Arthur

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

4 hours ago, Maf said:

I agree with you, but our situation is different because we're already familiar with how the upgrading system works. A new user can genuinely find it difficult to grasp, which could contribute to them losing interest in the game.

Because some dude who can't gasp the concept of m6 worse than m7... everyone in the entire game must suffer.... And as you said, it's not made to benefit users profit wise.
Also, I don't think someone who can't grasp the concept that 5 is less than 6 is old enough to play tanki, nor to buy crystals.

And.... what would make a newbie more pissed, that he ranked up and has to pay like 2k to get his equipment to his rank, or if he is slapped with a 30k cost for the exact same item?

Also, do you mind going in a bit more in depth on what is said here? Timestamp included.

 

[Maf 32,306]

1 hour ago, MEDlC_DageLV said:

some dude

"Some dude" = a lot of potential new users/customers, who have dozens of apps advertised to them on a daily basis. If faced with even a minor frustration, such as seeing too many buttons on the interface and having to figure out what they do, they won't think twice before switching to a different app. That's what the competition is like on the online app/software market.

1 hour ago, MEDlC_DageLV said:

And.... what would make a newbie more pissed, that he ranked up and has to pay like 2k to get his equipment to his rank, or if he is slapped with a 30k cost for the exact same item?

This is not important for the type of users in question. An experienced player will figure out the system and take necessary steps to save crystals and avoid situations where they are forced to pay more. On the other hand, a casual player that's not too invested into the upgrade process, will just press the upgrade button whenever they see that there's an upgrade they can afford. Having less buttons actually does help them make decisions faster.

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

15 minutes ago, Maf said:

"Some dude" = a lot of potential new users/customers, who have dozens of apps advertised to them on a daily basis. If faced with even a minor frustration, such as seeing too many buttons on the interface and having to figure out what they do, they won't think twice before switching to a different app. That's what the competition is like on the online app/software market.

This is not important for the type of users in question. An experienced player will figure out the system and take necessary steps to save crystals and avoid situations where they are forced to pay more. On the other hand, a casual player that's not too invested into the upgrade process, will just press the upgrade button whenever they see that there's an upgrade they can afford. Having less buttons actually does help them make decisions faster.

Youre really saying that because a guy has spent multiple hours in the game, he is going to leave the game, because upgrade button didnt disapear when he ranked up?
Are you serious?
And youre saying that because a guy who has leveled up to sergant willl leave the game, if he is allowed to continue upgrading his tank and the single button isnt removed....

Edited May 17, 2021 by MEDlC_DageLV

[Akame 4,580]

All I can say is...

Welcome to Tanki Online.

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

1 minute ago, Akame said:

 

ive quit the game for multiple years now, but still check up on it, havent missed a single vlog since they began etc XD.
I remember the times they tried to hide theyre p2w, but theyve given up on it.

[cosmic666 1,055]

19 minutes ago, Maf said:

Having less buttons actually does help them make decisions faster.

There is another interpretation to this. 

Less time to think about what they are doing, is it the right or wrong decision. Does it matter if i spend all these cry now, are wait awhile for a better offer etc.

Devs never miss a trick do they @Maf 

Why don't the devs just explain in a tutorial how the game works on a basic level to get them started. I'm sure they can work out the rest as they go along. Although the game has become very complicated over these last couple of years, a well thought out beginners guide would be the better option as opposed to scrapping the upgrade option.

Would you kindly forward this to the chief dev and lets see what he thinks of this most sensible and alternative idea. TA.

[MEDlC_DageLV 35]

2 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

There is another interpretation to this. 

Less time to think about what they are doing, is it the right or wrong decision. Does it matter if i spend all these cry now, are wait awhile for a better offer etc.

Devs never miss a trick do they @Maf 

Why don't the devs just explain in a tutorial how the game works on a basic level to get them started. I'm sure they can work out the rest as they go along. Although the game has become very complicated over these last couple of years, a well thought out beginners guide would be the better option as opposed to scrapping the upgrade option.

Would you kindly forward this to the chief dev and lets see what he thinks of this most sensible and alternative idea. TA.

The entire point he made is just.... false.

That upgrade button is there since registration, if I like smoky and I can upgrade it, I will upgrade it, ill spend hours in to the game to get sergeant rank, and maf says then ill leave the game, if they don't remove upgrade button then.

 

 

@maf, older players know how it works etc, and you're saying a newbie who has just spent few thousand crystals to micro upgrade his favourite gear just to level up and realize he has done it for nothing will appreciate it?
Back in 2015 or earlier, I used to log in almost daily to upgrade firebird and Viking, on another account I constantly upgraded thunder and Viking. Didn't quit the game because a button wasn't removed a few hours in game.