declined Making new server

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 hour ago, LambSauce said:

Then why did the World of Warcraft developers (Blizzard) as well as the Runescape developers (Jagex) create 'classic' or 'old-school' versions of their games? These servers are actually more popular than the current iterations of those games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft_Classic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_School_RuneScape

EDIT: From the second link above; "Despite having a smaller development team and a slower relative update schedule, Old School RuneScape has a larger player-base than RuneScape."

This already happened for this game. The game we play today is tanki online, the classic, and the "upgraded" version, aka tanki x is already closed. Also, let's not forget that tx was F2P friendly, yet it's already closed....

[LambSauce 1,898]

5 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

This already happened for this game. The game we play today is tanki online, the classic, and the "upgraded" version, aka tanki x is already closed. Also, let's not forget that tx was F2P friendly, yet it's already closed....

What? Tanki X was a spin-off game, in other words, a different game.

I just don't understand why the devs are so dumb as to not recognise that nostalgia is a big selling factor - let's say if they made a 'classic' version of TO and to play, you needed to pay five bucks or something like that, quite a lot of people would buy that (as long as the game has no P2W elements).

[mjmj5558 2,346]

54 minutes ago, LambSauce said:

What? Tanki X was a spin-off game, in other words, a different game.

Hmm- and the games you listed aren't different games? They are. They have different mechanism, but similar to each other in the main things - just like tx with turrets, hulls, maps - all the stuff you first recognise.

[artc 1,119]

20 hours ago, Yveltal9 said:

 

If all u want to do is play old tanki, u could go to gtanks or mytanks ,which are based off of the old version.

[fghjkl54 1,521]

Just now, artc said:

 

i heard that they support flash version so it won't work if they didn't updated it to HTML5

[artc 1,119]

1 hour ago, fghjkl54 said:

 

I yhink you just need to download something, cause other people are still plaing them

[artc 1,119]

@fghijkl54 u just need to install flash, as in says on the game websire

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 hours ago, BloodPressure said:

All games should be challenging and to an extent a bit complex to make the game more diverse and fun. Things are always changing, whether you like it or not, your opinion on it is irrelevant. Best you can do is to make suggestions to new ideas instead of looking back and scrapping what has been part of the game's development. 

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It bothers me that a lot of people don't want to accept changes, they are afraid of what's unknown and always prefer things they understand and are familiar with. It is people like this who prevent things from development and growth. 

And yet they removed the MU button because it was too confusing...

If changes are good/balanced I don't think players would have so many complaints.  Unfortunately, this is not the case.  There have been many bad, even horrible changes to the game.

In many cases, no changes are better than bad changes.  It has nothing to do with "the unknown".  We already know that allowing critical hits to bypass modules franks over the players that have spent millions of crystals to upgrade them.  We also already know that new players needing to buy module slots with TKs and needing to buy and upgrade drones puts them at a huge disadvantage.

The Devs are horrible at testing their own implementations.  Can you blame players when they see the results on the battle-field?

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

Also, let's not forget that tx was F2P friendly, yet it's already closed...

Was no more F2P friendly than TO was 2 years ago.

[LambSauce 1,898]

3 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

Hmm- and the games you listed aren't different games? They are. They have different mechanism, but similar to each other in the main things - just like tx with turrets, hulls, maps - all the stuff you first recognise.

Thanks for proving my point.

Tanki X wasn't the definitive 'upgraded' version of Tanki Online - it was a different game, using a different game engine and on different platforms.

The current TO is not the same as what the 'classic' TO would be, as you stated, that would be the TO that existed when it was first released in 2009.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

19 minutes ago, LambSauce said:

The current TO is not the same as what the 'classic' TO would be, as you stated, that would be the TO that existed when it was first released in 2009.

This is not true. As you said about the classic versions of those games they have updates. Aka classic TO wouldn't be equal to TO in 2009, but it equals to...current TO. Accept it or not, tanki x was tanki 2.0 project that've "restarted", and it was an upgraded version of the current TO. The one we have now is the classic one.

[LambSauce 1,898]

1 minute ago, mjmj5558 said:

This is not true. As you said about the classic versions of those games they have updates. Aka classic TO wouldn't be equal to TO in 2009, but it equals to...current TO. Accept it or not, tanki x was tanki 2.0 project that've "restarted", and it was an upgraded version of the current TO. The one we have now is the classic one.

A simple way to disprove your statement - if the current Tanki were indeed the 'classic' version then how come the graphics aren't THE SAME as they were during the early years (2009-2012)?

[mjmj5558 2,346]

28 minutes ago, LambSauce said:

Thanks for proving my point.

Tanki X wasn't the definitive 'upgraded' version of Tanki Online - it was a different game, using a different game engine and on different platforms.

The current TO is not the same as what the 'classic' TO would be, as you stated, that would be the TO that existed when it was first released in 2009.

Just to add one more thing, this is a quote from the page you linked:

"When Old School RuneScape launched, it was originally an August 2007 build of RuneScape. However, it has since received engine improvements, new content, and quality of life updates largely decided by in-game polls" (sadly we don't have the remove format on mobile for an unknown reason)

Aka: the callsic runscape isn't equals with ild run scape.

The only thing that confuses you is that TO was released first, and then it got upgraded to TX, and it remained as a classic version.

 

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 minute ago, LambSauce said:

A simple way to disprove your statement - if the current Tanki were indeed the 'classic' version then how come the graphics aren't THE SAME as they were during the early years (2009-2012)?

See the reply above. Classic version isn't equal with no changes.

[Blutaar 1,904]

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

And yet they removed the MU button because it was too confusing...

If changes are good/balanced I don't think players would have so many complaints.  Unfortunately, this is not the case.  There have been many bad, even horrible changes to the game.

In many cases, no changes are better than bad changes.  It has nothing to do with "the unknown".  We already know that allowing critical hits to bypass modules franks over the players that have spent millions of crystals to upgrade them.  We also already know that new players needing to buy module slots with TKs and needing to buy and upgrade drones puts them at a huge disadvantage.

The Devs are horrible at testing their own implementations.  Can you blame players when they see the results on the battle-field?

Sure it is. Reverting all updates from past years is most practical to counter these bad changes

[mjmj5558 2,346]

@Yveltal9 @LambSauce @wolverine848 I have an idea: let's collect all electronic equipments, new vechiles, etc on the earth and destroy them, so we can go back to the classical middle age. The air was sooo clean, and we don't had these stupid traffic jams each day.....

[DMR 693]

3 hours ago, artc said:

If all u want to do is play old tanki, u could go to gtanks or mytanks ,which are based off of the old version.

It's too unbalanced because freeze m3 we can unlock it at warrant officer ranks

[LambSauce 1,898]

39 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

Just to add one more thing, this is a quote from the page you linked:

"When Old School RuneScape launched, it was originally an August 2007 build of RuneScape. However, it has since received engine improvements, new content, and quality of life updates largely decided by in-game polls" (sadly we don't have the remove format on mobile for an unknown reason)

Aka: the callsic runscape isn't equals with ild run scape.

The only thing that confuses you is that TO was released first, and then it got upgraded to TX, and it remained as a classic version.

 

 

38 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

See the reply above. Classic version isn't equal with no changes.

 

Yours is a typical straw man argument. Most of the updates by far in WoW Classic and OSRS are quality of life updates. Just because you found one example showing otherwise doesn't disprove the fact that the whole point of these games is to capture the essence of what the original games were like when they were first released.

Tanki X doesn't exist anymore - and you're only looking at the fact that TX and TO have very similar gameplay and directly assume that TX must be the 'upgraded' or 'evolved' version of TO, but that is not the case. TX was a SPIN-OFF game, meaning it was inspired by TO but it is not necessarily a 'sequel' or direct evolution of TO. I'm guessing that you probably never played TX, if you had you would know that it featured an actual story unlike TO, hence it had some RPG elements and differed greatly in that respect. The current iteration of TO is is NO WAY attempting to capture the essence of gameplay as it was during the early years of Tanki, just look at all the drones, ODs and other features which did not exist in an even remotely similar fashion compared to now. Just to reiterate, TX was never a sequel to TO, nor was it the 'main' game that developers were intending to replace TO with. Remember that initially the developers actually intended to upgrade TO using the Unity engine, however issues such as the fact that Unity doesn't work viably well in browsers caused them to change this approach and make the new project into an ENTIRELY NEW game called "Tanki X".

 

 

12 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

@Yveltal9 @LambSauce @wolverine848 I have an idea: let's collect all electronic equipments, new vechiles, etc on the earth and destroy them, so we can go back to the classical middle age. The air was sooo clean, and we don't had these stupid traffic jams each day.....

 

Yeah, this part is just stupid. My suggestion isn't to revert to the "old Tanki", it is to create a SEPARATE server/iteration of the game (just like WoW Classic and OSRS) which attempts to capture the essence of what Tanki Online looked like and how it was played in the early period of the game.

There's nothing to lose here; a separately existing version of Tanki is not a wildly unrealistic proposal given that many other game companies have successfully done just that.

[alkyng 3,081]

Some players after a tons of complaints. Think when they beat the drum and kiss the ss. for every P2W update, they become more cultured and matured.

I have noticed ALOT players of this type

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, mjmj5558 said:

This is not true. As you said about the classic versions of those games they have updates. Aka classic TO wouldn't be equal to TO in 2009, but it equals to...current TO. Accept it or not, tanki x was tanki 2.0 project that've "restarted", and it was an upgraded version of the current TO. The one we have now is the classic one.

What?

"classic" always refers to an earlier version of whatever you are talking about.

As for TX ... maybe it originally was supposed to be TO 2.0.  But they altered the released product so much it only resembled TO.  The modules and progression were way too different.  They became different games.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, BloodPressure said:

Sure it is. Reverting all updates from past years is most practical to counter these bad changes

Well a place to start would to stop introducing dumb updates in the first place.

And I don't recall advocating ALL updates be reversed.  Just the idiotic ones. Too bad there's a LOT of those...

But let's let the shrinking player-base decide if the game is still palatable, shall we?

1 hour ago, mjmj5558 said:

@Yveltal9 @LambSauce @wolverine848 I have an idea: let's collect all electronic equipments, new vechiles, etc on the earth and destroy them, so we can go back to the classical middle age. The air was sooo clean, and we don't had these stupid traffic jams each day.....

Don't need to do that. 

If you think comparing a game to real life seems reasonable, you are free to become an Amish or Menonite and swear off the modern age.  Good luck with that.

[alkyng 3,081]

@mjmj5558 If the new updates who kill the routine and add a new interesting things in the game were like.. Helicopters - Unsolid map object - Falling rocks, or water in the maps like old Tribute (Beta) - or like a new suggestion one suggested today for a Replay feature. And many many other ideas

Though I don't like any of what I suggest but it's way more better and routine killer than the new killer routine updates for your opinion who allowed the player to one-shot others with Zero skills.

(Overdrives)

17 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

sometimes often a new playstyel (talking about rare-epic rarity.)

  Umm though I don't like these Augments, but common let's assume they're interesting!! I haven't get a one of them

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

10 hours ago, LambSauce said:

I just don't understand why the devs are so dumb as to not recognise that nostalgia is a big selling factor - let's say if they made a 'classic' version of TO and to play, you needed to pay five bucks or something like that, quite a lot of people would buy that (as long as the game has no P2W elements).

I don't really know if this is true. Nostalgia can only attract old players and not new players, and I feel there are a lot more new players to attract than old players. There's also the risk of fragmenting the playerbase.

[LambSauce 1,898]

19 hours ago, ThirdOnion said:

I don't really know if this is true. Nostalgia can only attract old players and not new players, and I feel there are a lot more new players to attract than old players. There's also the risk of fragmenting the playerbase.

I feel like a lot of the old players would come back if they made an old version of the game.

[awesomepeter 33]

On 5/25/2021 at 5:53 PM, Yveltal9 said:

The only way to make Tanki Online Developpers stop releasing updates based with 100% money included is to convince buyers to stop buying in TO, but we need a miracle to make that happen

But wouldn't that make it worse, since TO would not get any profit? At worst this would shut down the game.