declined Crisis drone rework

[numericable 2,375]

Crisis drone changes: 

- speed boost nerf -> decrease from 70% to 30% (just like trickster)

- but at the same time, the drone enable 2 supplies at a time, the first one will be double armor (like defender), the double armor will never run out but after each 30 seconds, it will spend another 3 DA, so we will constantly have double armor with crisis. The second supply will be either the double damage (+50%, just like now) OR the speed boost (+30% like trickster) so we will just have the just to choose either having DD or SB. 

The reason i'm asking these changes is because crisis is an over rated drone, i got it the week when it got released but never (really) played with it, it is really a weak drone, only its speed is good. It is weak but at the same time a super rare drone, someone who got it, should be super excited and, should only play with it, i'm pretty sure that many people are in the same situation as me, having it taking dust in the garage. ( my crisis is 20/20 upgrade btw). The supply consuption is not the problem, even if i had 1M of each supplies i would not use it, the problem is that it is a super rare drone, but it isn't stronger than booster/ defender/ trickster, because those can handle many supplies at once.

Moreover, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to use this drone on mobile, it is so hard to manage to get an hand on the supplies, to put them at the right moment and another hand, on the shooting button, and all of this on a phone...

That pretty rare ultra-container-exclusif drone should be stronger than any other drone, and currently, it is not, it is pointless to play with it in many mode (cp, tdm, assault defending team etc) these changes would make this drone great again, and worth it. In that form i propose, it is a booster (future booster remake) conbined with defender and trickster. Everyone would fight for it and feel to be the most lucky tanker when he will get it.

Ps: Some tweak could be made for the supply consumption to balance it, like it spends 5 supplies each times instead of 3 if the drone is too powerful.

[Spy 14,900]

Under review

Declined

[Iron_Man 2,376]

I don't really think that the Developers would actually nerf the speed boost nor any aspects of Crisis. Well it is a premium item, solely intended to be Pay2Win.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

So 2 Boosted Aspects. Doesn't sound very good. TBH, the speed of Crisis is insane, but an EMP or AP Shot will shut Crisis users down pretty fast.

[numericable 2,375]

Well the problem of crisis is that +70% speed doesnt fit to most of the map and to the spirit of the game, it is too fast for a game with small map like tanki, even textures make the tank slowing down sometime, just like when a normal is running on the massacre map and get stuck on the textures.

[SulfuricAcid 504]

10 hours ago, Iron_Man said:

I don't really think that the Developers would actually nerf the speed boost nor any aspects of Crisis. Well it is a premium item, solely intended to be Pay2Win.

I agree.

3 hours ago, yellowghetto said:

So 2 Boosted Aspects. Doesn't sound very good. TBH, the speed of Crisis is insane, but an EMP or AP Shot will shut Crisis users down pretty fast.

I agree.

 

13 hours ago, numericable said:

Crisis drone changes: 

- speed boost nerf -> decrease from 70% to 30% (just like trickster)

- but at the same time, the drone enable 2 supplies at a time, the first one will be double armor (like defender), the double armor will never run out but after each 30 seconds, it will spend another 3 DA, so we will constantly have double armor with crisis. The second supply will be either the double damage (+50%, just like now) OR the speed boost (+30% like trickster) so we will just have the just to choose either having DD or SB. 

The reason i'm asking these changes is because crisis is an over rated drone, i got it the week when it got released but never (really) played with it, it is really a weak drone, only its speed is good. It is weak but at the same time a super rare drone, someone who got it, should be super excited and, should only play with it, i'm pretty sure that many people are in the same situation as me, having it taking dust in the garage. ( my crisis is 20/20 upgrade btw). The supply consuption is not the problem, even if i had 1M of each supplies i would not use it, the problem is that it is a super rare drone, but it isn't stronger than booster/ defender/ trickster, because those can handle many supplies at once.

Moreover, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to use this drone on mobile, it is so hard to manage to get an hand on the supplies, to put them at the right moment and another hand, on the shooting button, and all of this on a phone...

That pretty rare ultra-container-exclusif drone should be stronger than any other drone, and currently, it is not, it is pointless to play with it in many mode (cp, tdm, assault defending team etc) these changes would make this drone great again, and worth it. In that form i propose, it is a booster (future booster remake) conbined with defender and trickster. Everyone would fight for it and feel to be the most lucky tanker when he will get it.

Ps: Some tweak could be made for the supply consumption to balance it, like it spends 5 supplies each times instead of 3 if the drone is too powerful.

No changes needed really. It is currently at its best state.

[numericable 2,375]

11 hours ago, Iron_Man said:

I don't really think that the Developers would actually nerf the speed boost nor any aspects of Crisis. Well it is a premium item, solely intended to be Pay2Win.

 

4 hours ago, yellowghetto said:

So 2 Boosted Aspects. Doesn't sound very good. TBH, the speed of Crisis is insane, but an EMP or AP Shot will shut Crisis users down pretty fast.

 

45 minutes ago, SulfuricAcid said:

I agree.

I agree.

 

No changes needed really. It is currently at its best state.

Globaly, im not asking for a nerf, im asking for a buff because it is a weak drone compared to booster defender trickster that can hold many supplies, it is an exotic item so it should be very strong, but the +70% speed isnt good, having it holding 2 supplies at once should make it strong enough BUT it should be accompagned WITH a speed nerf, otherwise it would be HELL OP. So im not asking for a nerf but for a buff. Also the +70% speed is too much, lot of time it is hard for people to manage it, they run in trees or in walls, it is good only for ctf rugby and gold boxes event with hopper. I hope that this idea could be forwarded to the developers to see what they think about it.  Also, one more time im not asking for a nerf but for a buff, even if in all of those change, i propose to nerf the speed of it to compensate other big changes.

Also, it would fix the "legal hack" that make people flying the whole map with the flag and the rugby ball making them impossible to counter, i dont think that this drone was intented to do these kind of things.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

I'd rather face someone with +110% speed than with +70% speed and not just double armour, but boosted double armour. 

[Blutchidoo 508]

I actually rather like how Crisis is powerful yet balanced thanks to its restriction of only one supply effect at a time. It can be extremely powerful when combined with the correct tank and used by a skillful tanker. I am of the opinion that the drone does not need a buff.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

5 hours ago, numericable said:

Well the problem of crisis is that +70% speed doesnt fit to most of the map and to the spirit of the game, it is too fast for a game with small map like tanki, even textures make the tank slowing down sometime, just like when a normal is running on the massacre map and get stuck on the textures.

The Drone while may be very powerful as you guys said, but it actually does require a certain amount of skill. 1 supply locked at a time, making you powerful in one, while vulnerable in others. You also cannot expect when to be shot when you are focused on sprinting, or taking on someone 1 on 1. Not to mention Status Effects.

 

16 hours ago, numericable said:

IMPOSSIBLE to use this drone on mobile

Controversial, that's your opinion, I can say playing tracked light Hulls are impossible to use. Just takes some skill and practice.

 

5 hours ago, numericable said:

just like when a normal is running on the massacre map and get stuck on the textures.

Happens to me sometimes, that's why you prevent this case from happening. 

2 hours ago, numericable said:

 

 

Globaly, im not asking for a nerf, im asking for a buff because it is a weak drone compared to booster defender trickster that can hold many supplies, it is an exotic item so it should be very strong, but the +70% speed isnt good, having it holding 2 supplies at once should make it strong enough BUT it should be accompagned WITH a speed nerf, otherwise it would be HELL OP. So im not asking for a nerf but for a buff. Also the +70% speed is too much, lot of time it is hard for people to manage it, they run in trees or in walls, it is good only for ctf rugby and gold boxes event with hopper. I hope that this idea could be forwarded to the developers to see what they think about it.  Also, one more time im not asking for a nerf but for a buff, even if in all of those change, i propose to nerf the speed of it to compensate other big changes.

Also, it would fix the "legal hack" that make people flying the whole map with the flag and the rugby ball making them impossible to counter, i dont think that this drone was intented to do these kind of things.

Very contradicting and confusing. Sounds pretty clear to me that this is a Crisis nerf. If you are so against it high-speed, and its single changing aspect, literally just use Trickster Drone. It is really what makes Crisis unique. <-- switching of Supplies, and having one powerful version at a time.

Even before I obtained Crisis, it wasn't so hard to deal with them. It is Defender Drones everywhere that give me a problem.

Me using it now, PC or Mobile, I never found it too challenging to use once you play the Drone after 2-3 times. Idk, but some people can't even turn their Turrets, so 

[yellowghetto 3,206]

Re-reading the main post.

1) Just because it is the rarest Drone in the game, it doesn't have to be the most OP Drone. Crisis is unique in its own way, and some players, including me, and I'd assume most, have already accepted what it does and use it for that specific reason.

2) Just because YOU find it hard to use, doesn't mean it needs a rework. Others find it extremely easy.

[numericable 2,375]

15 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

The Drone while may be very powerful as you guys said, but it actually does require a certain amount of skill. 1 supply locked at a time, making you powerful in one, while vulnerable in others. You also cannot expect when to be shot when you are focused on sprinting, or taking on someone 1 on 1. Not to mention Status Effects.

 

Controversial, that's your opinion, I can say playing tracked light Hulls are impossible to use. Just takes some skill and practice.

 

Happens to me sometimes, that's why you prevent this case from happening. 

Very contradicting and confusing. Sounds pretty clear to me that this is a Crisis nerf. If you are so against it high-speed, and its single changing aspect, literally just use Trickster Drone. It is really what makes Crisis unique. 

Even before I obtained Crisis, it wasn't so hard to deal with them. It is Defender Drones everywhere that give me a problem.

Me using it now, PC or Mobile, I never found it too challenging to use once you play the Drone after 2-3 times. Idk, but some people can't even turn their Turrets, so 

I'm really wondering if you understood what i meant, i asked for a buff of crisis having 2 supplies at once, thats the main subject, BUT if the speed remains at 70%, it will be too OP, i dont want to use any other drone, i want to use crisis, not trickster.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

1 minute ago, numericable said:

I'm really wondering if you understood what i meant, i asked for a buff of crisis having 2 supplies at once, thats the main subject, BUT if the speed remains at 70%, it will be too OP, i dont want to use any other drone, i want to use crisis, not trickster.

[numericable 2,375]

12 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

Re-reading the main post.

 

2) Just because YOU find it hard to use, doesn't mean it needs a rework. Others find it extremely easy.

That's what the "idea and suggestion" topic is made for, everyone is free to give an opinion about something he would like to suggest, if i want to ask for any buff or nerf, i will do it. I talked for my case, i'm pretty sure that many tankers are in the same situation as me.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

5 minutes ago, numericable said:

That's what the "idea and suggestion" topic is made for, everyone is free to give an opinion about something he would like to suggest, if i want to ask for any buff or nerf, i will do it. I talked for my case, i'm pretty sure that many tankers are in the same situation as me.

Fair enough, but I think most people would prefer Crisis for how it is now. Using your idea, it makes no sense. How would it even work. Say I press 2 and 4. Boosted Speed Boost and Boosted Boosted Armor. What would happen if I hit 3? Does BBA or BSB go away??? If you think it could be like to press 4 again, to deactivate Speed Boost, then pressing 3 to activate Boosted Boosted Damage, it would require twice the amount of user-inputs as it does now. Making your other reasoning of it being hard-to-play on Mobile even more invalid.

If 70% speed boost without any other supply is OP, what do you have to say about BBD and BBA activated at the SAME TIME? 

[numericable 2,375]

On 10/1/2021 at 8:50 PM, yellowghetto said:

Re-reading the main post.

1) Just because it is the rarest Drone in the game, it doesn't have to be the most OP weapon. Crisis is unique in its own way, and some players, including me, and I'd assume most, have already accepted what it does and use it for that specific 

That's called logic, if it is the hardest thing to obtain, it should be stronger than any other drone available for crystals. 

Also, it would be unique in the way i proposed too, yeah some tanker gambled for what is it now, but nothing stopped tanki to change the trickster mechanics and all other drones mechanics that will come soon , so that's why i'm asking them to do it for crisis too. Your logic should apply to all drones, not only crisis.

Now, i can easily name 10 tankers that own a crisis drone but never played with them, one is boris4311, another one is RIDDLER_8 and so on

 

On 10/1/2021 at 9:09 PM, yellowghetto said:

Fair enough, but I think most people would prefer Crisis for how it is now. Using your idea, it makes no sense. How would it even work. Say I press 2 and 4. Boosted Speed Boost and Boosted Boosted Armor. What would happen if I hit 3? Does BBA or BSB go away??? If you think it could be like to press 4 again, to deactivate Speed Boost, then pressing 3 to activate Boosted Boosted Damage, it would require twice the amount of user-inputs as it does now. Making your other reasoning of it being hard-to-play on Mobile even more invalid.

If 70% speed boost without any other supply is OP, what do you have to say about BBD and BBA activated at the SAME TIME? 

It makes sense, i said the boosted armour will be infinite but each 30 seconds it would spend additional supplies (3 or 5) so we will just have to worry about choosing either boosted damage OR speed boost (+30%) this would be a way easier, either we press boosted damage and the speed boost will go away and vice versa but the Boosted armour will not go away.

Once again, the problem is NOT +70% speed of crisis, but combined with the change i proposed, it wont be stopable so I HAD to propose a speed nerf TOO otherwise it would have been already declined sooner.

And YES, having boosted armour and damage at the same time would be OP but that's what i want, i want it to be the strongest drone, soon booster will have a long boosted damage (maybe +50% for 20 seconds) along with a boosted armor and speed boost, so it has to be stronger than booster or defender, that's why i made the topic, as a super rare drone, it should worth it, and currently, it just a waste, i'm a way more efficient with Booster than crisis, and that's not normal for a crystal drone to be stronger than crisis. And i'm the most experienced player with booster in tanki (5M exp in case you were thinking i'm a noob). I can clearly affirm than booster/defender more efficient than crisis in their globalities. Now enough said, i'll pratice my stamina irl.

 

Therefore, in fact, the drone would be more powerful, but that's how it should be. A better version of booster/defender/trickster.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

2 hours ago, numericable said:

Therefore, in fact, the drone would be more powerful, but that's how it should be. A better version of booster/defender/trickster.

Crisis is fine how it is. Depending on how you play it, you can dominate matches with it. Maybe you are just bad with the Drone but idk, 

After reading your last statements. Promoting P2W. Definitely a downvote. 

[numericable 2,375]

37 minutes ago, yellowghetto said:

Crisis is fine how it is. Depending on how you play it, you can dominate matches with it. Maybe you are just bad with the Drone but idk, 

After reading your last statements. Promoting P2W. Definitely a downvote. 

Does anyone talked to you? If you  can't make a proper answer without profanity or provocating or whatever you did, to make your last response get deleted by a moderator, don't try to argue with me. Come back (or not) when you will learn respect and other valors. Weak people can only fight other weak people behind a computer, i will let you fight other people like you.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

1 hour ago, numericable said:

Does anyone talked to you? If you  can't make a proper answer without profanity or provocating or whatever you did, to make your last response get deleted by a moderator, don't try to argue with me. Come back (or not) when you will learn respect and other valors. Weak people can only fight other weak people behind a computer, i will let you fight other people like you.

What got deleted? Also search the dictionary for a definition of profanity dude. Welcome to the internet. Like you said, I can share what I think, and if you can’t accept hard criticism, get out of the kitchen. If my words, "maybe you are bad,"  hurt your feelings, let me reword it. "Maybe you aren't as skilled with the Drone." I will get straight to the point, and not sugarcoat my words.

Now, let me lecture you, if you still don’t understand.

Who made the post? YOU.

Who is the post created for, the Community and Administrators.

You wrote the topic to your own belief, and the Community will react to it to their own belief.

Discuss and leave opinions. The reactor has the right to leave exactly what they think.

Everything that I said, is based from what you have written in this thread, and you suddenly leave a remark against my behavior. Wow.

The fact that you took this so personally and lashed back, is just insulting. You are the one provoking me.

[PirateSpider 1,491]

4 hours ago, numericable said:

Therefore, in fact, the drone would be more powerful, but that's how it should be. A better version of booster/defender/trickster.

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, crisis gives out weaker power ups than defender and booster. But on the other hand, its ability is more flexible than defender, booster, and trickster because it can switch between modes quickly.

[yellowghetto 3,206]

4 minutes ago, PirateSpider said:

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, crisis gives out weaker power ups than defender and booster. But on the other hand, its ability is more flexible than defender, booster, and trickster because it can switch between modes quickly.

Exactly. 

If Crisis were to have the aspects described in the main post, what is even the point of using the other Drones?

Quick correction. Crisis gives the same boosts as Defender, however, unlike Defender, it can ONLY use the defense boost. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 hours ago, numericable said:

 

 

Globaly, im not asking for a nerf, im asking for a buff because it is a weak drone compared to booster defender trickster that can hold many supplies,

Crisis gets the exact same Armor bonus as Defender.

It's not erven close to "weak".  You think the players generating high scores during battles are doing that because it's weak?

Overall Crisis needs a nerf to speed.  The extra bonus should be no more than 40%.  That gives it a net +80% speed boost which more than plenty to do what it needs to do.

11 minutes ago, PirateSpider said:

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, crisis gives out weaker power ups than defender and booster. But on the other hand, its ability is more flexible than defender, booster, and trickster because it can switch between modes quickly.

 

[numericable 2,375]

5 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Crisis gets the exact same Armor bonus as Defender.

It's not erven close to "weak".  You think the players generating high scores during battles are doing that because it's weak?

Overall Crisis needs a nerf to speed.  The extra bonus should be no more than 40%.  That gives it a net +80% speed boost which more than plenty to do what it needs to do.

 

"Weak" compared to its rarity, not compared to other drones, globaly, booster and defender are better than crisis, but i respect your opinion about it. I can get way higher performance with booster and defender so either they should buff crisis or nerf, booster/defender.

[numericable 2,375]

25 minutes ago, PirateSpider said:

Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, crisis gives out weaker power ups than defender and booster. But on the other hand, its ability is more flexible than defender, booster, and trickster because it can switch between modes quickly.

Switching between modes doesnt really make it so strong, but i am aware that the drone, with the changes i proposed would be hell OP, but that's what tanki intended when they first released it, after a year, i realised that i would never play crisis over booster because the last one give me way better performances.

[wolverine848 13,097]

14 minutes ago, numericable said:

"Weak" compared to its rarity, not compared to other drones, globaly, booster and defender are better than crisis, but i respect your opinion about it. I can get way higher performance with booster and defender so either they should buff crisis or nerf, booster/defender.

Maybe you are not using Crisis to it's best effect.

Many others can get great scores with it.

A potent done shouldn't be buffed just because you are not excelling with it.