declined Reports in Parkour mode

[hoIavisonofsharmuta 17]

I want to pay attention to the problem of the "Parkour" mode associated with a huge amount of violators - hackers. My english is kinda broken since im not native speaker, so I will duplicate the text in russian language. I kindly ask you to publish this, I am sure that players of this mode will support me/agree with me.

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Here we start. As you know, cheaters appeared in this mode almost from the very creation of parkour wars. However, it is not necessary to be a member of any clan or a participant in parkour wars to cheat in this mode. Before, you could report cheater on map or report him after map by uploading video-proof on forum. Later, You stopped accepting videos from Parkour mode. It's reasonable, because you cant 100% confirm hacks on someones video(unless, of course, it is not made on behalf of the cheater himself as in the case of player - Sir), behavior of tank depends on many things starting with the PC configuration/internet of guy who reported ending with visual problems related to the location of the suspect. Also there are many guys who abused this and made soft to visually change the behavior of the tank. After this decision(i mean removing possibility to report with video), the number of cheaters increased.

But now, few months ago you literally gave green light to all hackers from this mode by removing possibility to report hacker on map. Every 3rd player in parkour is hacker nowadays. You may say it was also reasonable decision because of this:

1.  A lot of players complaining about hackers every day and it gives hard work for moderation

2. Hackers are trying to trick moderation/lie on them, trying to offer them money(corruption), blackmail/threat them while trying to unblock their accounts so this is heavy emotional burden for administrators and moderators of battles

3. It's hard to guess if guy on map is using hacks or not, nowadays cheats are literally at their peak: you can play "legit" - use only some cheats that are hardest to detect such as one-shot hack(there's different between bug and hack and i can explain this difference to moderators easily), old-gravitaion hacks or you can play on full-hacks - flying on every hull, using aimlock, one-shot, avoid damage and so on.

You may think that the decision you made is good way to solve all problems i've listed before but it's not. I want you to bring reports back in parkour mode. I'm also interested in blocking ALL hackers as you are. I've tried to become BM but was rejected due to karma issues(well, i think problem is that i'm part of AR). I want to say for me it doesnt matter if it's my clanmate hacking or other player, i would report in any ways. Hacker is hacker.

My solution for this problem is this:

1. You need to bring reports back to Parkour mode. After all we're all players of this project, spending our time there, having fun and we want same protection as players in other modes got.

2. Instead of forbidding battle moderators to enter parkour mode, you have to teach them to distinguish between a cheater and a clean player

3. Of course, i know that it's easy to say but hard to do, you need to improve anti-cheat system. 

I am in big hope that you will publish this appeal and that you will appropriate measures. I know Yele is good Battle Administrator, which is also interested in following the rules and blocking violators. She always helps as far as it possible and im sure that she and her group are able to restore order in parkour mode.

For players:
For those who will read this, if you agree with me, please react write comment under this post. Now it is necessary to show that the problem of cheating is the main problem of this mode, which hinders everyone, not just a couple of players.

[Maf 32,328]

Declined

Developers explained that there is a trade-off, and they had to choose between two options. The first option is where the anti-cheat gets enabled in parkour to combat hackers, but this also affects honest players trying to do parkour, who trigger anti-cheat with their stunts. The second option is to disable anti-cheat, giving hackers potential to use their tools, but also giving normal players full freedom of movement in parkour.

Developers also made it quite clear that they don't want to spend any more moderation resources on parkour battles, so improving the anti-cheat system to better differentiate between hacks and honest parkour tricks is not an option. Neither is bringing battles mods back into parkour battles, because parkour battles generate a disproportionate amount of reports, costing way too much moderator time.

Therefore, you have three solutions: ignore the hackers, find a different battle, or do parkour in a private battle.

[hoIavisonofsharmuta 17]

Does it mean that devs dont care about parkour players?

"Developers explained that there is a trade-off, and they had to choose between two options. The first option is where the anti-cheat gets enabled in parkour to combat hackers, but this also affects honest players trying to do parkour, who trigger anti-cheat with their stunts. The second option is to disable anti-cheat, giving hackers potential to use their tools, but also giving normal players full freedom of movement in parkour."  - How many honest players asked devs to disable anti-cheat? If you join parkour battle nowadays you can't catch someone "doing parkour" but with 99% chance you will catch someone flying and using teleport on mammoth. Is it right solution as you think?

"Developers also made it quite clear that they don't want to spend any more moderation resources on parkour battles, so improving the anti-cheat system to better differentiate between hacks and honest parkour tricks is not an option. Neither is bringing battles mods back into parkour battles, because parkour battles generate a disproportionate amount of reports, costing way too much moderator time." - parkour fighters brought over 300k $ to project and all they have as a thank you is your message saying "we won't solve this, everything is okay". 

Tanki rules literally forbid players to use hacks but since you dont have option to report someone anymore half parkour is using hacks and even if BM comes to parkour mode by mistake he blocks only accounts like "vaviks" - bought mults with low ranks which noone cares about and sometimes touchs main players.

You may think your answer made everything clear but in fact you just said you dont care about hundreds/thousands players who prefer fighting in parkour mode and who are also interested in normal moderation in their mode. Every devs' solution like this makes more and more players leave this game and when someone reports the problem you dont even try to solve it.

[PirateSpider 1,491]

The real parkour battles have died out a long time ago, way before they removed the report button for the mode.

[Maf 32,328]

On 8/21/2023 at 5:07 PM, 666_VALENTINO_666 said:

Does it mean that devs dont care about parkour players?

Public battles in parkour format rarely have actual parkour happening anyway. Private battles are perfectly suitable for parkour purposes.

Letting hackers roam around freely in parkour battles isn't so much harmful to the parkour players as it is harmful to the game, but, like I said, it's a trade-off that developers considered to be reasonable.

On 8/21/2023 at 5:07 PM, 666_VALENTINO_666 said:

hundreds/thousands players who prefer fighting in parkour mode and who are also interested in normal moderation in their mode.

The amount of players is more like dozens, while the number of players in MM is in the thousands, so that's where battle moderators' efforts are actually required. In MM there's battle funds and rewards at stake, so a hacker changing results of the battle is a problem. In parkour mode there are no crystals or experience points, therefore hackers have no significant effect on gameplay.

On 8/21/2023 at 5:07 PM, 666_VALENTINO_666 said:

Every devs' solution like this makes more and more players leave this game and when someone reports the problem you dont even try to solve it.

Parkour mode is meant for parkour, not "fighting", so if you choose to play that mode in a way that developers did not intend, don't expect them to spend time fixing the problems that you created for yourself by playing that way.

[Overcast 7]

Let me get this straight so the reason why you removed the ability to report people in the Parkour Format is to limit the amount of moderator time but you guys obviously have the budget to hire more moderators i know you guys don't want to keep track of a mode that is not that important than matchmaking or even xp/bp but there is a strong community out there who does parkour and you guys obviously care because you've let players participate in parkour tournaments in the past that you have hosted heck you even hosted a parkour tournament earlier this year i'm a parkour lover myself. i'm so in love with it that I've spent 90% of my time joining PRO Battles in the Parkour Format just to parkour on the space themed maps 45% of the time I parkour on both the Silence and Rio Maps while the other 10% of the time I parkour on other maps that are fun to parkour on like the Barda Map or even maps like Brest or Berlin or even hit back flips and front flips on the Dusseldorf Map because that's how much i love parkour trust me there is a strong community out there that loves parkour and every single person who loves doing it is kinda thankful that a mode like this exist so why not you look into actually expanding on it make it more fun and enjoyable to play it instead of ignoring it altogether this is your game you created it and sure not a lot of people play this game anymore but that's because you've been releasing updates to the game that are so controversial that a lot of people just stopped playing the game after the update/updates released the Rebalance it wasn't a controversial update by any means but it was an update that people did not like same can be said about the Drone Rebalance a lot of people didn't like it but at the same time most of the drones weren't even used that much by the players like the Trooper drone and the Assault drone but at least you made up for it by saying that you were going to re-release some of those unused drones in the form of Hull Augments other controversial updates that actually had an impact on the game would be Overdrives, Gold Boxes, Augments, and even Hovering Hulls being added to the game but the one update i despise the most is when you nerfed Containers specifically the Standard Containers and Ultra Containers before that update released the rewards you could get from these containers were good you could get rewards such as Premium Account, Gold Boxes, Skins, and even packs of all supplies and not only that but you could get 1,000,000 Crystals from a green container because before the update you could get an exotic or exotics from those containers but when Update #675 released everybody and i mean everybody in the player base started to hate containers now when keys get added into the game will it make containers better that's up for debate but what i'm trying to say here is that you the developers of this game i know you are better than this and i know you can do better i know you guys and gals care about us players and want to make game better but if you want to make this game better you have to start looking at the bigger picture what i mean by that is fixing the in-game lags in matchmaking and matchmaking bugs first before release new content trust me if you put your mind to it you can achieve great things so why not start there as the devs yourselves you have control over this game us players don't and it is your job to make this game better we all know you can make game better so please start getting on that path to make the game better.

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 8/21/2023 at 7:36 PM, Jaden_Master_XXX said:

you guys obviously have the budget to hire more moderators

moderators are volunteers.

[Maf 32,328]

On 8/21/2023 at 9:36 PM, Jaden_Master_XXX said:

you guys obviously have the budget to hire more moderators

As frederik said, all helpers are volunteers. In case of battle moderators, the applications are always open, but the truth is that suitable candidates are extremely rare.

On 8/21/2023 at 9:36 PM, Jaden_Master_XXX said:

i'm so in love with it that I've spent 90% of my time joining PRO Battles in the Parkour Format just to parkour on the space themed maps

So you play parkour a lot. I'm genuinely curious — how does the presence of hackers in your games negatively affect your parkour gameplay?

P.S. I'm not reading the rest of your text. If you want people to read what you write, start using punctuation and paragraphs.

[Romantically 282]

On 8/21/2023 at 9:34 AM, Maf said:

Therefore, you have three solutions: ignore the hackers,

Ignoring a hacker that kills you and teleports to you and everyone else while placing mines is "a bit" hard

 

On 8/21/2023 at 9:34 AM, Maf said:

find a different battle

Good luck against a determined hacker 

 

On 8/21/2023 at 9:34 AM, Maf said:

, or do parkour in a private battle.

That defies the purpose of parkour mode being public and takes away many fun aspects

 

On 8/21/2023 at 7:21 PM, Maf said:

 

The amount of players is more like dozens, while the number of players in MM is in the thousands, so that's where battle moderators' efforts are actually required. 

The devs can create a BM sub-division specifically for Parkour mode

[Gold-Mans 2]

I've got something for you, Maf. Since people are still willing to become a battle mod or whatever, parkour battle mod (battle mod that is specifically moderating parkour mode but doesn't have to be called that). What  is it for us? Clear parkour mode, with tanki actually putting their rules in use. What is it for you? Tanki rules being executed not ignored. What is the cost? Some kind of monthly promocodes or whatever moderators get.

[Maf 32,328]

On 8/22/2023 at 10:49 AM, Romantically said:

The devs can create a BM sub-division specifically for Parkour mode

On 8/22/2023 at 10:50 AM, Gold-Mans said:

Since people are still willing to become a battle mod or whatever, parkour battle mod

Battle moderator applications are always open, so anyone is welcome to apply. Despite this, we still often get comments from players reporting violators in MM and complaining that a battle mod never comes. This is because the reality is that the number of applications is low, and the number of accepted applicants that meet requirements is even lower. So the priority will remain with MM moderation.

Parkour mode has so few players and so many hackers, that it's considered a waste of resources to try and moderate those battles.

On 8/22/2023 at 10:49 AM, Romantically said:

Ignoring a hacker that kills you and teleports to you and everyone else while placing mines is "a bit" hard

Good luck against a determined hacker 

I don't know how big of a problem this really is as I don't play in parkour mode, but I feel like you're blowing the issue out of proportion. I'll try joining some parkour games to see it for myself, when the game comes back online.

[MEXICAN-SKY 308]

On 8/21/2023 at 2:07 PM, 666_VALENTINO_666 said:

Does it mean that devs dont care about parkour players

Yip, got it in one.

Parkour is a freebie were players try out different things with whatever combo they like. It does not in any way generate profits for the devs, so asking them to actually plough resources into it to stop the scumbag cheats from hacking was always going to be a non starter.

Personally I could care less about parkour, it's a play area for kids.

Concentrating on real issues that affect the game should be a priority, but like parkour the devs refuse to do anything about the HUGE AMOUNT of real problems this game has had for years, instead they just add to it to boost their profit margins and very, very rarely solve any of the big issues plaguing the game, because ironically they caused most of them.    

[Romantically 282]

On 8/22/2023 at 10:42 AM, Maf said:

I don't know how big of a problem this really is as I don't play in parkour mode, but I feel like you're blowing the issue out of proportion. I'll try joining some parkour games to see it for myself, when the game comes back online.

Just saying my experiences where I just want to chill and meet new people and then some random "low ranker" joins with hacks and ruins it for anyone

 

2-3 Years ago there was abundance of parkour maps and I remember being spoiled for choice but now there is barely any parkour maps so "different battle" can be difficult

On 8/22/2023 at 10:42 AM, Maf said:

Battle moderator applications are always open, so anyone is welcome to apply. Despite this, we still often get comments from players reporting violators in MM and complaining that a battle mod never comes. This is because the reality is that the number of applications is low, and the number of accepted applicants that meet requirements is even lower. So the priority will remain with MM moderation.

That's why i suggest a BM sub-category for Parkour mode, or even for all formats (MM BMs, XP/BP BMs etc...)

[Maf 32,328]

On 8/22/2023 at 1:00 PM, Romantically said:

That's why i suggest a BM sub-category for Parkour mode, or even for all formats (MM BMs, XP/BP BMs etc...)

How would it help to create a sub-category? The requirements for the job would still be the same, because the user would need to be entrusted with tools that issue game bans and blocks.

[Romantically 282]

On 8/22/2023 at 11:20 AM, Maf said:

How would it help to create a sub-category? The requirements for the job would still be the same, because the user would need to be entrusted with tools that issue game bans and blocks.

It would free up the current BM team to focus i.e. MM while the other teams focus on their respective formats, I agree it could be more tricky with the tools but not impossible

[PirateSpider 1,491]

On 8/22/2023 at 3:49 AM, Romantically said:

It would free up the current BM team to focus i.e. MM while the other teams focus on their respective formats, I agree it could be more tricky with the tools but not impossible

Its not gonna be worth the effort. The real parkour battles have died a long time ago, way before they removed the report button from the mode. Even if you got rid of the hackers, it'll still be filled with toxicity, mine spammers, clan wars, entitled rich kids with humongous egos, and many others where one wrong step could set them off.

[alkyng 3,081]

On 8/22/2023 at 6:37 PM, PirateSpider said:

entitled rich kids with humongous egos,

OMG - Before some hours when I have read this topic I went to Parkour battle. I just flipped a rich Mammoth-Striker, instead of self-destruct, they wait for infinity for some to help them. And definitely there are many players who are rushing from the farthest sides of the map just to help the flipped Mammoth who has an amazing skins. This just remembered me back in the days when I was playing Parkour daily!

[Sabry 1,081]

On 8/22/2023 at 11:00 AM, Romantically said:

That's why i suggest a BM sub-category for Parkour mode, or even for all formats (MM BMs, XP/BP BMs etc...)

I mean, assuming it would solve the problem, firstly I agree with Maf being that it wouldn't really solve anything given the fact the responsibility stays the same and is quite huge. But then let's assume it is split this way..If at a specific time, most of the XP/BP BMs (who only have to deal with XP/BP battles) are online, but not a single parkour BM is online, the issue would remain the same, there will still be hackers and that won' solve anything. Despite the parkour battle doesn't have a vote option, any other battle has one, and then anyone can come and deal with it, if it was split per group, that'd be probably longer for somebody of his own group to come and deal with it and I can easily guess that this would easily be worse and even less efficient at all, just because you'd have to wait for a colleague from a specific group to deal with a specific battle.

 

[Curl 17]

#BRINGBATTLEMODSBACKTOPARKOUR

[Sentinel 75]

#BRINGBATTLEMODSBACKTOPARKOUR

First of all, if the mods are not aware of Parkour fights please don't look it as it is nothing. Let me tell you something there is toxicity in MM as well same goes for XP/BP etc. So allow it! 
Let me tell you what parkour fights are as short as I can and don't ignore this message, because I did not see anyone explaining it well, apart of hackers everywhere in parkour to understand how frustrated we are, you need to either come in maps or read what I am about to say;

Types of Parkour Players:
1. Miner: (These players can be a full team, few guys or only one in a team) Based on their purchasing power, they mines the enemy base by either flying(space mode) or mining on ground.
Problem: Now this is where the frustration kicks in... after the *Vote* button was removed, now you will see a mammoth low rank hacker mining everywhere (teleporting), or using old values for hovering hulls so they stay in air for longer (the miner with old values hacks).

2.Attackers: These players objective is to attack the enemies around and kill opponent's miner.
Problem: You will witness hacks on guns such as a smoky hack, from what I've seen how it works is the player keep shooting smoky, the bullets stack in air and once he shoot any enemy all of them hits the enemy and that's an instant death, Striker with cyclone augment works the same way. Now tell me how will it be fun to play with these types of players?

Infact, there should be eSports for parkour fights. I will leave that because this is not a topic I want to discuss right now.

Imagine playing MM and instantly dying and seeing a flying mammoth with OD spawns into everyone and killing everyone that way, would be frustrating right? and mods saying "oh let us look into it we are more focused on PRO battles ( to be able to understand something you need to look it from 2 different angles)
Before speaking dear mods look at the situation and you're just loosing the players. Have some sense of listening to the problems killing your game. There is always a solution so I don't appreciate mods saying "No, more activity on MM so no" there is no problem if this is not in your hands you have the way to convey this messages to anyone managing the game aka devs. Please fix this issue. 
Thank you!
 

[Sentinel 75]

Maybe add something like eSports checker in game system without actually making people use it.  @MafSorry for the ping I do not know if I should but we both here are trying to make this game better.

[WWE 2]

it's really sad how yall left the most important mode and which everybody enjoy it and the one which letting the game alive yet , bring back modes to parkour fights cuz it's really sh** to play vs hackers they don't let us enjoy it atleast save what left from the game 

[Maf 32,328]

On 8/27/2023 at 12:48 AM, Sentinel said:

same goes for XP/BP etc

I'm pretty sure battle mods do get involved in Railgun Master battle, do they not?

 

[PirateSpider 1,491]

On 8/26/2023 at 1:48 PM, Sentinel said:

Let me tell you what parkour fights are as short as I can and don't ignore this message, because I did not see anyone explaining it well, apart of hackers everywhere in parkour to understand how frustrated we are, you need to either come in maps or read what I am about to say;

I don't know about you, but I used to come in a parkour map nearly every night after finishing my dailies for years way before they removed the vote option from the mode.

It gradually got worse and worse because of all this:

On 8/22/2023 at 8:37 AM, PirateSpider said:

Its not gonna be worth the effort. The real parkour battles have died a long time ago, way before they removed the report button from the mode. Even if you got rid of the hackers, it'll still be filled with toxicity, mine spammers, clan wars, entitled rich kids with humongous egos, and many others where one wrong step could set them off.

Having battle mods getting involved in parkour mode didn't save them then, so what makes you think it'll save them now?

[Reminiscences 0]

#BRINGBATTLEMODSBACKTOPARKOUR