Interview with Hazel -- Thoughts?

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 10/31/2023 at 9:12 PM, Son_Goku said:

No one cared about that as no one wanted to pay the fee to enter these battles, because crystals used to be worth something.

Battles were always unbalanced because one team always had a buyer that got the next modification of their hull/turret 6 ranks before the free to play players could, by buying expensive kits. These players also paid for supplies, which free to play players didn't have back then, making them even stronger than they already were.

You were facing people with Viking M2 at the Warrant Officer 5 rank, with full supplies, whilst you were Warrant Officer 3 with Smoky and Wasp M1, without any supplies. You were dying at least as fast as you are dying now to the paying audience.

Kits were a complete P2W mess when they were first introduced, in your golden era of around 2013, but somehow everyone seems to have forgotten that. People back then were complaining literally as much as they are nowadays about P2W. It was not better.

And before kits, before the re-balance, you were able to have a full M3 garage at the Lieutenant rank. P2W players had that, supplies on top, and the free to play players were still barely managing to get even M2 at the brigadier ranks.

The game nowadays is at least as much pay to win as back then. I don't know if you all were very young and forgot all of this, but the game has always been a mess. It was not better for free to play players back then.

Most of this is correct. However, back then you could simply create a battle with the parameters you liked, rank limited or not, and if that battle didn't suit you, you were free to make another.

Now you're thrown in with everyone into a meat grinder of overdrives, drones, a billion status effects, etc. and that's the only way to progress.

So that's why it's misleading. No one's denying the game always had a P2W element, however back then it was entirely possible and even common to avoid the P2W and play battles to your own liking. Now you can't.

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 10/31/2023 at 11:25 PM, LambSauce said:

Most of this is correct. However, back then you could simply create a battle with the parameters you liked, rank limited or not, and if that battle didn't suit you, you were free to make another.

Now you're thrown in with everyone into a meat grinder of overdrives, drones, a billion status effects, etc. and that's the only way to progress.

So that's why it's misleading. No one's denying the game always had a P2W element, however back then it was entirely possible and even common to avoid the P2W and play battles to your own liking. Now you can't.

I agree, and not only that.

Even if the game was still P2W earlier, it felt "fair", it was a game where skill was worth something. You felt more in control of the situation, sort of.

Everything was predictable; an M3 tank with supplies could fight a fair fight against another one. 

Now? Everything feels in the hands of RNG. Crits that oneshot you, effects applied at random for no reason, overdrives that are activated on a whim, etc. It's all too chaotic and without rhyme or reason. Even if you are skilled and have a powerful tank, you feel at the mercy of the game and its RNG. And all of this is not fun at all.

I don't know if Hazel has considered this aspect or not, or if he agrees at all. But if he plays the game for an hour or two with a standard combo (I mean without 90% prot or something), he should understand my point. 

Of course, I don't expect this to be fixed; this situation is completely unfixable... it's just my opinion on the state of the game, and why it feels so frustrating and unfun. 

Edited October 31, 2023 by 2shots2kills

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/31/2023 at 1:38 PM, LambSauce said:

Dude, in most of these examples, they are in a position of authority over you.

It doesn't matter what position of power someone is in. Still doesn't change the fact that it still falls under provocation.

On 10/31/2023 at 1:38 PM, LambSauce said:

By this logic you can claim every form of honest criticism is "provocation".

Honestly, how hard is it to not tell someone " they act like the only adult in the room"?

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

With all due respect @PirateSpider, you clearly are at the far end on a vulnerability spectrum. That is entirely ok, but you can not expect society to cater to your vulnerability.

You can't say "with all due respect" and then say something insulting like that. Just makes your "with all due respect" part disingenuous.

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

Do you ever read the debate pages in newspapers? Maybe watch a debate from the British House of Commons on youtube? Public debate is harsh - as it should be. If you need reasons for why it should be so, read some early Greek political texts about the space of the agora.

Yes, I know that political debates can be harsh.

But guess what? This isn't even politics. Its just a game and this is a forum to said game. So it really shouldn't be taken so seriously.

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

Imagine if you said that to your parents. They'd probably punish you.

My parents are humanists who taught me how to meet criticism adequately, whether it is just or unfounded. Good people will never punish their children. Ever.

Cool, it means that you've never been disciplined in your life. 

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

Imagine if you said that to your principal. They'd probably suspend you if not expel you.

Principal would probably tell me to run for student council.

Nice dream.

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

Imagine if you said that to your friends. They'd probably unfriend you.

If your friends unfriend you for making earnest, personal remarks in private conversation... Honestly I don't even know which culture this could occur in. Poem bad.

There are much better ways to tell them rather than just that "they act like they're the only adult in the room".

On 10/31/2023 at 2:44 PM, Limanda said:

Imagine if you said that to your boss. They'd probably fire you.
This is actually possibly true. There are narcissistic and autocratic company heads.

Its not " narcissistic "  its called having self respect and not tolerating any kind of crap.

 

Honestly, if you don't like the forum's rules or the moderation system, you can always just leave.

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 10/31/2023 at 11:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

Still doesn't change the fact that it still falls under provocation.

Got it. So by that logic, the tiniest ounce of criticism can be simply dismissed as "provocation."

On 10/31/2023 at 11:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

Honestly, how hard is it to not tell someone " they act like the only adult in the room"?

How hard is it to not write the comment you just wrote...

On 10/31/2023 at 11:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

There are much better ways to tell them rather than just that "they act like they're the only adult in the room".

It's hilarious you actually think that's an overly harsh or provocative statement.

On 10/31/2023 at 11:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

This isn't even politics. Its just a game and this is a forum to said game. So it really shouldn't be taken so seriously.

Don't take it so seriously then 

[Sword-of-Damocles 83]

On 10/31/2023 at 5:56 PM, 2shots2kills said:

I agree, and not only that.

Even if the game was still P2W earlier, it felt "fair", it was a game where skill was worth something. You felt more in control of the situation, sort of.

Everything was predictable; an M3 tank with supplies could fight a fair fight against another one. 

Now? Everything feels in the hands of RNG. Crits that oneshot you, effects applied at random for no reason, overdrives that are activated on a whim, etc. It's all too chaotic and without rhyme or reason. Even if you are skilled and have a powerful tank, you feel at the mercy of the game and its RNG. And all of this is not fun at all.

I don't know if Hazel has considered this aspect or not, or if he agrees at all. But if he plays the game for an hour or two with a standard combo (I mean without 90% prot or something), he should understand my point. 

Of course, I don't expect this to be fixed; this situation is completely unfixable... it's just my opinion on the state of the game, and why it feels so frustrating and unfun. 

they can fix it, but they don't want to because:

1. they are stubborn don't like reversing any update

2.they think won't be able get as much money if they fixed this situation

[Jeers4U 665]

On 10/31/2023 at 12:55 PM, frederik123456 said:

I dont know about that. I have been here before the rebalance and I remember how hard it was to grind for top equip back then, not to talk about supplies, which were very close to a P2W win button, as F2Ps could hardly afford to use them consistently.
Or at least that was the experience from my side of view.

My time lines might overlap a bit, but...

 

You could buy the turrets/hulls for 1k, not waste a container's contents with a turret/hull you'll never use.

There weren't 10 mini-upgrade levels you had to buy to increase your tank 1 unit.

Normal containers had 3k crystals, then weekly had 5k (maybe even 10k at one point). The rewards were greater.

Ultra containers didn't exist.

Stars didn't exist.

There were no augments.

There were no drones.

There were no overdrives.

Drugs you could buy at a decent price when they were introduced--and they had '100 of each' in a set you could buy at the shop.

A gold box was something to actually compete for and hackers hacked for.

Medium range turrets were medium range only and couldn't reach you from the other side of the map.

There were more players playing so you actually HAD team work in matches along with communication from your team (sometimes).

One-shot deaths were rare

They didn't take away things you had purchased in any updates.

You could choose the map you wanted to play and use the turret/hull you were most skilled at using.

And the arenas were evenly matched so if you were actually a player with skill, you advanced quickly.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Jeers4U

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 10/31/2023 at 4:16 PM, LambSauce said:

Got it. So by that logic, the tiniest ounce of criticism can be simply dismissed as "provocation."

On 10/31/2023 at 4:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

Honestly, how hard is it to not tell someone " they act like the only adult in the room"?

How hard is it to not write the comment you just wrote...

"Hazel, I don't like how bad the lag is on most maps."

"Hazel, the no damage bug is super annoying. Hopefully you'll fix it."

"Hazel, I'm not a fan of the AP, emp, stun, and pulsar augments as they're too powerful."

"Hazel, the rewards for the missions, challenges, rank ups, etc are becoming more and more underwhelming."

"Hazel, the rank and GS gaps are getting bigger and bigger by the day."

 

These are all the most mentioned criticisms about the game. And other than being criticisms about the game, how else are they all similar? Why don't you take a wild guess?

 

On 10/31/2023 at 4:16 PM, LambSauce said:

It's hilarious you actually think that's an overly harsh or provocative statement.

You act like you haven't went out in the real world in like ever in your life, lol. 

On 10/31/2023 at 4:16 PM, LambSauce said:

Don't take it so seriously then 

Speak for yourself. You're the one chewing hazel out over a game.

[Romantically 282]

On 10/31/2023 at 11:25 PM, LambSauce said:

Most of this is correct. However, back then you could simply create a battle with the parameters you liked, rank limited or not, and if that battle didn't suit you, you were free to make another.t.

After you paid the fee of a PRO Battle Pass, of course (Before you say it was free, eventually having such rules as no supplies etc. got added behind the pass)

 

On 10/31/2023 at 11:56 PM, 2shots2kills said:

Everything was predictable; an M3 tank with supplies could fight a fair fight against another one. 

You still can, the difference now there are augments which you can use and counter aswell (alot of them have a counter strat, accept it)

 

On 10/31/2023 at 11:56 PM, 2shots2kills said:

 

Now? Everything feels in the hands of RNG. Crits that oneshot you, effects applied at random for no reason, overdrives that are activated on a whim, etc. It's all too chaotic and without rhyme or reason. Even if you are skilled and have a powerful tank, you feel at the mercy of the game and its RNG. And all of this is not fun at all.

 

That's a lie. Criticals were added just to keep the luck factor. Previously, you had random damage spread, in a more stretched sense that was like old Round Destabilization for Railgun, with which you could do between 70-4000 damage to a tank. Saying criticals are the reason the game is RNG are a lie, when previously you had a % chance of being one shotted or not regardless, so don't blame everything on new updates just for the sake of blaming (Speaking from personal experience of M1 Railgun having chance to one shot M0 Hornet)

Is there a game that has NO RNG involved? (Yes CS2 but that's a different topic)

Edited November 1, 2023 by Romantically

[2shots2kills 2,364]

On 11/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Romantically said:

You still can, the difference now there are augments which you can use and counter aswell (alot of them have a counter strat, accept it)

We still can? Good Luck countering 16 different turrets, while having only 4 protection modules, in a map against 10-15 enemies, all of which with different augments: From status effects to extreme change of parameters. 

At most you can hard-counter one or two enemies, while still getting owned by all the rest of the competition. If you deny this, than we must be playing a different game.

On 11/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Romantically said:

That's a lie. Criticals were added just to keep the luck factor. Previously, you had random damage spread, in a more stretched sense that was like old Round Destabilization for Railgun, with which you could do between 70-4000 damage to a tank. Saying criticals are the reason the game is RNG are a lie, when previously you had a % chance of being one shotted or not regardless, so don't blame everything on new updates just for the sake of blaming (Speaking from personal experience of M1 Railgun having chance to one shot M0 Hornet)

You want to compare the random criticals and effects of today's TO to the old tiny damage spread of old times? (13-16 on Ricochet, just saying) And remember I was talking about M3 on M3 action; an M3 on an M1 was obviously a different story. The only times you could get one-shotted was against an M3 Shaft in a Hornet or Viking without protection.

And no random "I win" OD panic buttons or 5k crits were present. If you met a low skilled player with a similar combo, he was 100% done for. 

 

I am not blaming updates for the sake of it, I am offering my own criticism, and speaking from my own personal experience of a player who has been with this game for 13 years.

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by 2shots2kills

[JustBlackWolf 874]

Crits were added with the sole purpose of justifying the effects, remember when Railgun Stun would stun you for 6 seconds on every hit? Then they slowly changed it, and started making augment after augment, where first it'd apply the effect on every hit, then nerf it with "applies only on critical hits" On top of that it was also to introduce a new protection that was pretty much unobtainable by any f2p player and costed 12 million crystals to fully upgrade. If me and my friend hadn't partecipated in the tanki fund, we still wouldn't have gotten Armadillo, honestly, i see people posting exotic items all over the "picture of the day" topic but i never got anything like that, i believe not even once. Lmao.

Edited November 1, 2023 by JustBlackWolf

[Romantically 282]

On 11/1/2023 at 10:29 AM, 2shots2kills said:

We still can? Good Luck countering 16 different turrets, while having only 4 protection modules, in a map against 10-15 enemies, all of which with different augments: From status effects to extreme change of parameters. 

At most you can hard-counter one or two enemies, while still getting owned by all the rest of the competition. If you deny this, than we must be playing a different game.

You don't always have to full rush on Lost Temple, you can just leave the map and find new or come up with a strategy

 

On 11/1/2023 at 10:29 AM, 2shots2kills said:

At most you can hard-counter one or two enemies, while still getting owned by all the rest of the competition. If you deny this, than we must be playing a different game.

You want to compare the random criticals and effects of today's TO to the old tiny damage spread of old times? (13-16 on Ricochet, just saying) And remember I was talking about M3 on M3 action; an M3 on an M1 was obviously a different story. The only times you could get one-shotted was against an M3 Shaft in a Hornet or Viking without protection.

Yes I want because you generalize about RNG, what's not RNG on a damage spread?

 

On 11/1/2023 at 10:29 AM, 2shots2kills said:

And no random "I win" OD panic buttons or 5k crits were present. If you met a low skilled player with a similar combo, he was 100% done for. 

Nukeboxes are overrated and overvalued, using them doesn't guarantee that you won't die before OD activates or that even if you use you won't get gunned down, not to mention using it in a panic will lead to irrational reactions

[Romantically 282]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:29 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

Crits were added with the sole purpose of justifying the effects

Afaik Hazel or someone said criticals were added for the purpose of keeping the luck factor after removing damage spread

 

On 11/1/2023 at 11:29 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

 i see people posting exotic items all over the "picture of the day" topic but i never got anything like that, i believe not even once. Lmao.

Just because I didn't get Ares or Crusader XT as I wanted doesn't mean nobody can get it

[JustBlackWolf 874]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:34 AM, Romantically said:

Afaik Hazel or someone said criticals were added for the purpose of keeping the luck factor after removing damage spread

They can tell you whatever they want, are you going to believe them? Most things got introduced with blatant excuses or for no reason, features that no one ever asked, like LC skins becoming pixelated.

There's a big list of things i could type but i'm not going to waste my time here.
 

As for "Ares XT" the skins being exotic makes no sense and is the least problem, a skin container costs 30k+ tankoins which is like what, 400€? LMAO

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by JustBlackWolf

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:48 AM, PirateSpider said:

These are all the most mentioned criticisms about the game. And other than being criticisms about the game, how else are they all similar? Why don't you take a wild guess?

Dude, my comment was referring to Hazel's attitude during the live stream .... did you even watch it? My comment is not even aimed at him. Besides, it's literally a fact that the devs treat the playerbase as a bunch of kids who don't know what they want.

Anyways, I'm sure you don't mind that Hazel was trolling @MEXICAN-SKY recently, giving him ChatGPT-generated answers and mocking him to his face, not to mention the uncensored swear words he loves to include in his posts. You should categorise that as provocative, as it easily meets your standards as such.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:48 AM, PirateSpider said:

You're the one chewing hazel out over a game.

I guess expecting more humility and professionalism from a lead dev is too much to ask these days.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 7:48 AM, Romantically said:

After you paid the fee of a PRO Battle Pass, of course (Before you say it was free, eventually having such rules as no supplies etc. got added behind the pass)

I remember it was some nominal cost per month that could be easily paid off by playing 1-2 battles.

[Romantically 282]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:46 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

They can tell you whatever they want, are you going to believe them? Most things got introduced with blatant excuses or for no reason, features that no one ever asked, like LC skins becoming pixelated.

Many things have a reasoning behind them, it is your choice whether you accept it or not, the Antialising being broken on LC skins is made to make them look dated.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 11:46 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

As for "Ares XT" the skins being exotic makes no sense and is the least problem, a skin container costs 30k+ tankoins which is like what, 400€? LMAO

Partial reason is inflation exists.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 1:11 PM, LambSauce said:

I remember it was some nominal cost per month that could be easily paid off by playing 1-2 battles.

I remember M1 Ricochet being 21k and being already pricey for me (and I played regularly)

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/1/2023 at 5:11 AM, LambSauce said:

Dude, my comment was referring to Hazel's attitude during the live stream .... did you even watch it? My comment is not even aimed at him. Besides, it's literally a fact that the devs treat the playerbase as a bunch of kids who don't know what they want.

Is reverting the game back to "old tanki" really a good idea?

On 11/1/2023 at 5:11 AM, LambSauce said:

Anyways, I'm sure you don't mind that Hazel was trolling @MEXICAN-SKY recently, giving him ChatGPT-generated answers and mocking him to his face, not to mention the uncensored swear words he loves to include in his posts. You should categorise that as provocative, as it easily meets your standards as such.

To be honest, he had it coming for awhile. He acted like only his opinions matter. Some of us tried to reason with him but apparently failed. Hazel's ChatGPT stunt seemed to bring his ego down a peg or two at least for the time being.

On 11/1/2023 at 5:11 AM, LambSauce said:

guess expecting more humility and professionalism from a lead dev is too much to ask these days.

Its not about "expecting humility and professionalism from a lead dev". Its about following the rules of the forum. Like I said, you don't want to follow the rules, you can always leave.

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:13 PM, PirateSpider said:

Is reverting the game back to "old tanki" really a good idea?

No one wants to revert to "old Tanki", but fixing some basic things like MM and toning down the status effects would be a good start.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:13 PM, PirateSpider said:

To be honest, he had it coming for awhile. He acted like only his opinions matter. Some of us tried to reason with him but apparently failed. Hazel's ChatGPT stunt seemed to bring his ego down a peg or two at least for the time being.

By your own logic, this drivel right here is "provocative".

 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:13 PM, PirateSpider said:

Like I said, you don't want to follow the rules, you can always leave.

No rules were broken. Interpreting anything negative as "provocation" is neither helpful nor honest.

Edited November 1, 2023 by LambSauce
Grammar

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/1/2023 at 9:20 AM, LambSauce said:

No one wants to revert to "old Tanki",

And how did you come to this conclusion?

On 11/1/2023 at 9:20 AM, LambSauce said:

By your own logic, this drivel right here is "provocative".

Little bit,  but again, he had it coming. So I was just being bluntly honest.

On 11/1/2023 at 9:20 AM, LambSauce said:

No rules were broken.

Then why'd your post get edited by a mod?

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:53 PM, PirateSpider said:

And how did you come to this conclusion?

Dude, it's an expression. An idiom.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:53 PM, PirateSpider said:

So I was just being bluntly honest.

And I was being bluntly honest about Hazel's attitude 

 

On 11/1/2023 at 4:53 PM, PirateSpider said:

Then why'd your post get edited by a mod?

Because some mods have no life outside this forum ... and perceptions get skewed. And that's putting it nicely.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/1/2023 at 10:11 AM, LambSauce said:

Dude, it's an expression. An idiom.

A pretty stupid one at that. As for the "devs treat the player base like a bunch of kids" comment. We should look for reasons as to why they don't have much faith in us.

A good place to start would be the most popular suggestions.

On 11/1/2023 at 10:11 AM, LambSauce said:

And I was being bluntly honest about Hazel's attitude 

Here's the thing: your comment was not justified. Mine was.

On 11/1/2023 at 10:11 AM, LambSauce said:

Because some mods have no life outside this forum ... and perceptions get skewed. And that's putting it nicely.

You seem to think that all the mods here are above the age of 30 or that they all live in the same time zone area.

Pretty sure one of them hasn't even reached their 20s yet, so likely they're still going to school.

I'm also pretty sure I've seen some mods on the forum at different time than other mods.

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 11/1/2023 at 6:00 PM, PirateSpider said:

Here's the thing: your comment was not justified. Mine was.

Did you even watch the livestream? Taspens sat there and didn't question anything and Hazel was too busy giggling about how many millions the game is making. He was being snarky and condescending. He also brushed aside many important issues with a "maybe" or a "we'll do it someday".

If the game is sitting on so much cash why aren't they investing it into actual content. Not aesthetics. Not copy-pasting augments. Not endless bundles.

 

On 11/1/2023 at 6:00 PM, PirateSpider said:

Pretty sure one of them hasn't even reached their 20s yet, so likely they're still going to school.

Then that would explain why many of them have such terrible judgement. 

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:21 AM, LambSauce said:

Did you even watch the livestream? Taspens sat there and didn't question anything and Hazel was too busy giggling about how many millions the game is making. He was being snarky and condescending. He also brushed aside many important issues with a "maybe" or a "we'll do it someday".

So? It was on a different platform. Most of the players have a very low IQ and understanding of the game nowadays anyway.

Also, have you even considered the fact that at the time it was after work for him and he's probably tired and grumpy?  

On 11/1/2023 at 11:21 AM, LambSauce said:

If the game is sitting on so much cash why aren't they investing it into actual content. Not aesthetics. Not copy-pasting augments. Not endless bundles.

Come back to this tomorrow.

On 11/1/2023 at 11:21 AM, LambSauce said:

Then that would explain why many of them have such terrible judgement. 

They already have much better judgement than the majority of the player base combined. 

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 11/1/2023 at 7:21 PM, LambSauce said:

If the game is sitting on so much cash why aren't they investing it into actual content. Not aesthetics. Not copy-pasting augments. Not endless bundles.

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the actual claim that while the game is making money, almost everything is spent right back to make new content (skins, remastered maps etc.) - meaning the game isnt really "sitting on much cash" ?

[LambSauce 1,884]

On 11/1/2023 at 8:06 PM, frederik123456 said:

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the actual claim that while the game is making money, almost everything is spent right back to make new content (skins, remastered maps etc.) - meaning the game isnt really "sitting on much cash" ?

Hazel said they are "making millions" ... it takes millions to make some skins and remaster maps? 

[Dopamine 2,161]

On 11/1/2023 at 9:10 PM, LambSauce said:

Hazel said they are "making millions" ... it takes millions to make some skins and remaster maps? 

I dont dnow, I didnt really watch the whole video, just some summary, thats why i asked to be corrected if needed.
its just what I understood Opex was trying to say.