The gamepad's horizontal aim-assist is a huge problem and NO ONE REALIZES IT

[Son_Goku 514]

I am honestly starting to lose faith in every single one in this community. Not only because people think that hitting through walls is simply lag.

Here is what is going on: the game is still littered with players who run scripts via browser extensions, which seem to be difficult to detect, as those players have been doing this for months.

Their main feature is their own aimbot/aim assist. Those hacks started circulating around end of 2023, that's around the time Tanki was experimenting with the horizontal aim assist for mobile players (which is legit of course). My assumption is, that script developers somehow reverse-engineered Tanki's code, found whatever handles the aim assist, and introduced it to their scripts, which people can use to obtain aimbot on PC.

And it was pretty easy to notice who was running such scripts, as their shots would appear to hit players through walls, like I have shown in this topic already: https://en.tankiforum.com/topic/398006-hacking-situation-is-getting-out-of-hand/

So it was actually easy to report them for scripting, and at least in some cases, those accounts also got rightfully blocked.

However, the problem now is that people who aim using a gamepad (and mobile too of course), hit players through walls literally the same way as scripters do, since gamepads offer Tanki's legit aim assist. This makes it borderline impossible to report actual scripters now, since their excuse will always be "I was playing on a gamepad, I'm not hacking".

I have a theory that you could fix this for PRO battles at least, for matchmaking this would not work. In PRO battles, the developers need to give us an option to allow or disable horizontal aim assist for every player who joins that battle. This means that tankers aiming on a mobile device or a gamepad would lose any kind of assistance, which could significantly impact their gameplay sadly.

BUT, in case script developers actually did reverse-engineer Tanki's code to figure out the aimbot themselves, this could potentially mean that their own aimbot would stop working too, since it's basically set up using Tanki's own code anyway. This could "fix" the horrid situation in PRO battles, but sadly not in actual matchmaking. The horizontal aim assist is unfair anyway, even if you're not a hacker, since once you figure out how to play on mobile/using a gamepad you're good anyway, and any additional assistance does nothing but simply putting you above others. So, an option to disable aim assist in PRO battles would really be appreciated (besides it being something that had to be there from the start).

Us not being able to tell who is hacking and who is not anymore is really bad. There could be an icon showing what controls players are actively using when in the Tab menu, maybe a keyboard for tankers using keys/mouse to play, a phone for mobile players, and a controller for gamepad players. Why I emphasized the word "actively" is, because the game shouldn't take someone who has a gamepad connected to their PC directly as a gamepad player; it should only, when those controls are actively being used.

It really baffles me that no one is thinking like this and that no one cares at all.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Son_Goku

[Spy 14,687]

I knew something like this would happen, very similar to what happened in Fortnite and Controller aim assist back in the day. I will try to forward this onward.

I kind of gave up on playing XP/BP (unless it is with friends in private battles) because barely no one plays fair nowadays.

[Son_Goku 514]

On 11/12/2024 at 12:28 PM, Spy said:

I kind of gave up on playing XP/BP (unless it is with friends in private battles) because barely no one plays fair nowadays.

And I really don't want to imagine how many are using this stuff in matchmaking too, you know. There it feels like it's more difficult to notice.

But this hurts XP/BP, or "Railgun Master", more than anything else, because it's by far the most competitive thing that Tanki has. The question should not be if they give us the option to disable horizontal aim assist in PRO battles, but when will they give it to us.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Son_Goku

[Gamma 10]

On 11/12/2024 at 5:28 AM, Spy said:

I knew something like this would happen, very similar to what happened in Fortnite and Controller aim assist back in the day. I will try to forward this onward.

I kind of gave up on playing XP/BP (unless it is with friends in private battles) because barely no one plays fair nowadays.

 

Yeah I think private battles are what's left. If not this effectively will kill the XP/BP scene. I also won't be able to report anyone for Aimbot usage since it looks the exact same as goku said.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 11/12/2024 at 5:56 AM, Son_Goku said:

I am honestly starting to lose faith in every single one in this community.

Everyone realizes it.

They don't care.

[POWER-OF-ONE 163]

On 11/12/2024 at 10:56 AM, Son_Goku said:

that's around the time Tanki was experimenting with the horizontal aim assist for mobile players (which is legit of course)

No It's not. It's a legal hack which they should not have.

If you want to no-life on mobile (that's their problem) WHY should they have aim assist, keyboard doesn't have it so why should mobile players.

On 11/12/2024 at 10:56 AM, Son_Goku said:

This means that tankers aiming on a mobile device or a gamepad would lose any kind of assistance, which could significantly impact their gameplay sadly.

[Son_Goku 514]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:43 PM, POWER-OF-ONE said:

No It's not. It's a legal hack which they should not have.

Aiming on a mobile device or a gamepad is more difficult than on a keyboard. That goes for every game, and every game adds an aim assist for those platforms, it's normal. I know, it's "their problem", but still.

What every other game is also doing however, is giving PC players the option to not encounter players from other platforms, as playing against an aim assist is just frustrating for us, especially once they figure out how to play with their different controls. That's one problem Tanki has, since we don't have this option. I doubt it's something difficult to implement, for PRO battles at least.

But, as I said, I have the assumption that the scripter's aim assist is based on the code of Tanki's. So, if I were a developer, I'd experiment with something that disables aim assist for those other platforms instead, but still allows them to join the battle. This way, you'd make it fair for PC players since especially gamepad users wouldn't benefit from their aim assist anymore, but you could potentially also get rid of all the scripters.

 

On 11/15/2024 at 10:51 PM, Jeers4U said:

They don't care.

The problem here is that everyone is solely focused on matchmaking, which is in my opinion at least, anything but a competitive game mode. If the game needs something right now, it's a stronger competitive aspect. I'm not only talking about XP/BP (but that's honestly as competitive as Tanki can get).

And since matchmaking covers by far most of the playerbase, I get it why no one would care about an aim assist. If the game were more competitive, you'd see more people complain about this. But currently, Tanki is just a random, pointless matchmaking grind, so... why would anyone care?

Edited November 16, 2024 by Son_Goku

[Gabe2607 215]

I think they installed an anti-aim system on my railgun... I am missing 75% of the shots...

Just imagine the bullet that gazed Trump's ear. My shots are like that. And no vertical aim at all.

[Son_Goku 514]

I don't know since when this is, but something appears to have changed, as you can now use Tanki's legit aimbot on keyboard controls; something you could have achieved only with scripts before.

All you need to do is either plug in a controller and turn it on, or just download a virtual controller, to make your PC believe you have an actual controller. Then, once the gamepad's aimbot triggers, you have it even on the normal keyboard controls. It doesn't work with mouse, however.

This is, obviously, another significant issue, and people will abuse it to gain an unfair advantage. As long as you can't disable Tanki's aimbot in PRO battles, there is literally no point in playing them. It really is disappointing how the devs are handling the aimbot, without thinking about possible consequences.

[Son_Goku 514]

Here's a little showcase to show you all how stupid even Tanki's legit aim assist is. Look at these two screenshots:

Spoiler

As you can see, this would actually be quite the challenging shot, since the opponent is showing only a little bit of his tank. You need to put in effort to actually hit.

But with the aimbot, however...

Spoiler

you just aim at the wall roughly and automatically hit, without having to do anything, not even caring about on which side the opponent is showing.

This completely removes any competitive aspect in Tanki, and it's not only a big problem in Railgun Master, but also in E-Sports. In matchmaking as well of course, but there it matters less.

And this is just an aimbot of 3-5 degrees. With scripts, it goes up to 20 degrees. Not only horizontal, but also vertical.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Son_Goku

[Mr.Designer 161]

On 12/18/2024 at 6:10 PM, Son_Goku said:

I don't know since when this is, but something appears to have changed, as you can now use Tanki's legit aimbot on keyboard controls; something you could have achieved only with scripts before.

All you need to do is either plug in a controller and turn it on, or just download a virtual controller, to make your PC believe you have an actual controller. Then, once the gamepad's aimbot triggers, you have it even on the normal keyboard controls. It doesn't work with mouse, however.

This is, obviously, another significant issue, and people will abuse it to gain an unfair advantage. As long as you can't disable Tanki's aimbot in PRO battles, there is literally no point in playing them. It really is disappointing how the devs are handling the aimbot, without thinking about possible consequences.

It is also achievable by forcing mobile version on PC. It used to deactivate mobile aim assist as soon as you turned turret with keyboard, but now it doesn't anymore. I guess it's all cause of update #782 which made that turning turret doesn't switch controls to keyboard anymore.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Mr.Designer

[JustBlackWolf 875]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:56 AM, Son_Goku said:

I am honestly starting to lose faith in every single one in this community. Not only because people think that hitting through walls is simply lag.

Here is what is going on: the game is still littered with players who run scripts via browser extensions, which seem to be difficult to detect, as those players have been doing this for months.

Their main feature is their own aimbot/aim assist. Those hacks started circulating around end of 2023, that's around the time Tanki was experimenting with the horizontal aim assist for mobile players (which is legit of course). My assumption is, that script developers somehow reverse-engineered Tanki's code, found whatever handles the aim assist, and introduced it to their scripts, which people can use to obtain aimbot on PC.

And it was pretty easy to notice who was running such scripts, as their shots would appear to hit players through walls, like I have shown in this topic already: https://en.tankiforum.com/topic/398006-hacking-situation-is-getting-out-of-hand/

So it was actually easy to report them for scripting, and at least in some cases, those accounts also got rightfully blocked.

However, the problem now is that people who aim using a gamepad (and mobile too of course), hit players through walls literally the same way as scripters do, since gamepads offer Tanki's legit aim assist. This makes it borderline impossible to report actual scripters now, since their excuse will always be "I was playing on a gamepad, I'm not hacking".

I have a theory that you could fix this for PRO battles at least, for matchmaking this would not work. In PRO battles, the developers need to give us an option to allow or disable horizontal aim assist for every player who joins that battle. This means that tankers aiming on a mobile device or a gamepad would lose any kind of assistance, which could significantly impact their gameplay sadly.

BUT, in case script developers actually did reverse-engineer Tanki's code to figure out the aimbot themselves, this could potentially mean that their own aimbot would stop working too, since it's basically set up using Tanki's own code anyway. This could "fix" the horrid situation in PRO battles, but sadly not in actual matchmaking. The horizontal aim assist is unfair anyway, even if you're not a hacker, since once you figure out how to play on mobile/using a gamepad you're good anyway, and any additional assistance does nothing but simply putting you above others. So, an option to disable aim assist in PRO battles would really be appreciated (besides it being something that had to be there from the start).

Us not being able to tell who is hacking and who is not anymore is really bad. There could be an icon showing what controls players are actively using when in the Tab menu, maybe a keyboard for tankers using keys/mouse to play, a phone for mobile players, and a controller for gamepad players. Why I emphasized the word "actively" is, because the game shouldn't take someone who has a gamepad connected to their PC directly as a gamepad player; it should only, when those controls are actively being used.

It really baffles me that no one is thinking like this and that no one cares at all.

I've been talking about android emulator abusers for a while now. Setting up an emulator to get free legit hacks from the mobile version is easy enough even for a 11 year old watching a tutorial. Your theory could also be valid, why bother either way, this game is a dumpster fire, it's like trying to put a massive fire out with a water gun. Me and my friend are waiting on tanki classic and we'll move there, hopefully there won't be a mobile or ps5 version 

Edited December 18, 2024 by JustBlackWolf

[Son_Goku 514]

On 12/19/2024 at 12:23 AM, JustBlackWolf said:

this game is a dumpster fire, it's like trying to put a massive fire out with a water gun

This is actually pretty sad, because so many of Tanki's current problems are things you could fix just like that. I really, really doubt that it is difficult to implement something that makes us PC users not face any legit aimbot, there is NO way that such a toggle when creating PRO battles takes a lot of effort. The problem is that the developers don't seem to think about such little things. And well, those little things pile up eventually, and result in the massive fire.

But since they are little things, a water gun is all it takes to fix them, honestly. It's just that they lack the effort to pick up a water gun

Edited December 19, 2024 by Son_Goku

[Wry 93]

The core of Tanki is PC players whether in terms of Profit or Player base, but they keep giving other platforms new unfair tools that can surpass the PC experience. The idea of giving other platforms that lack the tools that PC has the upper hand in terms of aiming which is essential part of this game to be good/competitive is such a joke to me. Making playing the game easier for other platforms should not be at the expense of PC players, mobile and other platforms will always lack the tools that the PC has this is a known fact in the gaming industry, expect for Tanki it is the other way around. The concept behind other platforms is that it gives you the chance to play a game in different circumstances/capabilities, therefore not limiting the game to a certain platform. Giving these platforms tools to rivals/surpass the PC experience will never be fair.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 12/19/2024 at 2:43 AM, Wry said:

The core of Tanki is PC players whether in terms of Profit or Player base, but they keep giving other platforms new unfair tools that can surpass the PC experience.

And tanki knows that the core will never leave despite these unfair tools.

They owe PC players nothing.

 

I just leave the games where one or more rails have auto aim.

Good luck 4 humans and 8 bots left playing on my team.

Edited January 6 by Jeers4U