Smoke grenade description

[soviet.reunion 76]

If you look at the description for smoke grenade, it says that we can use it to irritate friendly snipers on our team if we get tired of them only camping and not attacking. 

 

Does this mean that it is now okay to sabotage people in our team if they camp too much? Or are we only allowed to do it with the smoke grenade? 

[krokorok 838]

On 11/24/2024 at 10:38 AM, soviet.reunion said:

Yeah I know, that's the reason I'm asking the question here first to be sure, because I don't want to try my luck. 

 

I agree that me smoking a camper is unlikely to stop him from camping. However, if the devs were to legalise sabotaging campers and everyone were to actively do it at any chance they get, then I'm sure we could deter a lot of camping. 

That is actually a very bad idea. First, it promotes the very act of sabotage as something legal and "good" which only leads to more people sabotaging and doing it even without the use of grenades. It also creates a lot of bad blood between players which leads to more personal conflicts and more sabotage. People start sabotaging back and it creates endless vicious circle of more and more sabotage that heavily distracts from actual gameplay.

Additionally, the problem isn't in the camper players themselves. Camping existed from the very beginning of the game. Tanki even created turrets like Shaft and Railgun that are more or less for ages camper turrets, along with many more that can be to extent used for camping.

The problem is in gameplay itself:

a) Tanki failed to introduce effective anticamping options. Stuff like Magnum and Striker that have been advertised as anticamping new options have  become some of the most effective camping turrets themselves.

b) Gameplay heavily shifted away from battle objectives. Completing battle objectives is one of the main stimulants for players to not camp. Apart from TDM, most other game modes require you to move around the map to actually complete the battle objective - you need to move to capture flags, to deliver the rugby ball, to capture the points, etc..

However these days, completing battle objectives either outright does not give enough points to justify playing it (like after the score nerf, delivering flags in ASL), or even if the battle objectives do give quite good amount of points (like for delivering flag in CTF), you can still outperform players who are completing battle objectives by simply camping or playing every mode as a deathmatch, because a lot of equipment these days gives you more points than doing something useful like capturing flags, or delivering balls. For example, in my opinion, destroying an enemy should give far less points (excluding TDM) than something like delivering flags or rugby balls, These modes should be focused more on objectives and give far more points for succesfully completing them.

On top of all of this, completing battle objectives has been far less important because winning or losing is no longer important for getting good rewards after the battle. You can lose 6-0 in CTF and still get more crystals than the winning team just because you have some busted augment that gives you more points than players on the winning team gained from capturing flags. And of course, missions and special missions which is the sole reason some players even play the game daily, rarely have any focus on battle objectives these days.

c) A lot of people camp because they cant do anything else in battle.  There is still a big imbalance between equipment of f2p and buyers. Lot of people cant leave the safety of their base, because the moment they leave, they get picked up by enemy campers or busted augments that kill them in nanoseconds. Some people simply dont have the skills or equipment to keep up with more powerful equipment of buyers or endgame players. So they stay in the safety of bases that often provide the power in numbers and camp because it is the only thing that somehow gives them a fighting chance.

Edited November 24, 2024 by krokorok

[krokorok 838]

No, it is not okay to sabotage your teammates. Sabotage of camping teammates was not magically legalized just because one description hinting at it appeared in the game.

From my perspective, its one of those descriptions that should be taken with a grain of salt. Obviously, using smoke grenade on enemies is preferable and I believe in this camping meta, you throwing grenade at your teammates will not change anything. People will camp because they want to camp, or because it is their prefered playing style, or because it gives them better results than actively playing other objectives in the field. Throwing smoke grenade will most likely just distract both you and the camper even more, making your team perform even worse rather than forcing the camper to change his playing style.

As for whether this will be considered a sabotage that needs some intervention is hard to say, and it is more of a question for the battle moderation. If I were you, I would not try my luck with any kind of sabotage or harrasment of your own teammates.

Edited November 24, 2024 by krokorok

[soviet.reunion 76]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:47 AM, krokorok said:

If I were you, I would not try my luck with any kind of sabotage or harrasment of your own teammates.

Yeah I know, that's the reason I'm asking the question here first to be sure, because I don't want to try my luck. 

 

I agree that me smoking a camper is unlikely to stop him from camping. However, if the devs were to legalise sabotaging campers and everyone were to actively do it at any chance they get, then I'm sure we could deter a lot of camping. 

[Helios 723]

I am pretty sure it's sarcasm. Multing/Sabotaging your own team is a punishable offence. So it's never ok to do it.

[Dumbledore6969 243]

Answered, closed.